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What's the canonical consensus on this? I mean, it seems obvious the man should not be under arrest, but is he seen as "patriarch" or "anti-patriarch"?
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He is seen as the canonical patriarch.  He has been in the diptychs up until this day, and we refuse to add to the diptychs any other name (like Abune Dioscorus, who is considered uncanonical).
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He is seen as the canonical patriarch.  He has been in the diptychs up until this day, and we refuse to add to the diptychs any other name (like Abune Dioscorus, who is considered uncanonical).

Thank you. Is there much of a growing Arab economic and political influence in Eritrea, as there reportedly is in Ethiopia these days?
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He is seen as the canonical patriarch.  He has been in the diptychs up until this day, and we refuse to add to the diptychs any other name (like Abune Dioscorus, who is considered uncanonical).

Thank you. Is there much of a growing Arab economic and political influence in Eritrea, as there reportedly is in Ethiopia these days?

I don't know much about Eritrean culture and demographics other than certain basics.  It's possible there is some Arab influence.  Arabic is one of the recognized languages in Eritrea, and religious demographics in Eritrea is more or less similar to Ethiopia.  However, the Eritrean leader is understood to be more authoritarian in nature than Ethiopia presently.  They are also economically in a much worse position than Ethiopia, and overall does not seem to foster good relations with other African and Arab nations as Ethiopia does.
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It seems Eritrea has been getting a lot of bad press- some of it surely deserved. But then I see someone calling them "the North Korea of Africa" and the hysteria seems motivated by something other than concern for human rights, especially as repression by Ethiopia's government gets ignored or downplayed.
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He is seen as the canonical patriarch.  He has been in the diptychs up until this day, and we refuse to add to the diptychs any other name (like Abune Dioscorus, who is considered uncanonical).

Thank you. Is there much of a growing Arab economic and political influence in Eritrea, as there reportedly is in Ethiopia these days?

I don't know much about Eritrean culture and demographics other than certain basics.  It's possible there is some Arab influence.  Arabic is one of the recognized languages in Eritrea, and religious demographics in Eritrea is more or less similar to Ethiopia.  However, the Eritrean leader is understood to be more authoritarian in nature than Ethiopia presently.  They are also economically in a much worse position than Ethiopia, and overall does not seem to foster good relations with other African and Arab nations as Ethiopia does.

Well, I didn't mean culture and language but direct interference, like the Saudi tycoons in Ethiopia.
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After many efforts taken by the Union of the Monasteries and Church Scholars of the Eritrean Orthodox Tewahdo Church, the issue of Patriarch Abune Antonios the Third has come to an end on 07/11/2017. We gladly want to inform to all its faithful Christians and friends that the Holy Synod Meeting has come to conclusion with full reconciliation, peace and love with Abune Antonios in the presence of Union of the Monasteries and Church Scholars.

The Holy Synod of Eritrean Orthodox Tewahdo Church
Asmara, Eritrea
07/13/2017

https://english.eritreantewahdo.org/?sermons=the-holy-sinod-statement-about-abune-antonios
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Does that mean the Holy Synod now recognizes Abune Antonios as the head of the Church in Eritrea?
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Does that mean the Holy Synod now recognizes Abune Antonios as the head of the Church in Eritrea?

The statement was a little less clear to me than various FB comments claiming that, indeed, the Synod now recognises Abune Antonios as primate of the Church, that he celebrated Liturgy with the bishops, etc.
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Re: Ten Years of Illegal Detention of Patriarch Abune Antonios of Eritrea
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2017, 07:58:20 PM »
Does that mean the Holy Synod now recognizes Abune Antonios as the head of the Church in Eritrea?

The statement was a little less clear to me than various FB comments claiming that, indeed, the Synod now recognises Abune Antonios as primate of the Church, that he celebrated Liturgy with the bishops, etc.

The Eritrean Church seems to me to be the most "mysterious" one from all Orthodox canonical local Churches. It's really hard - at least in English - to find what's happening at this church, some pictures, news, the list of bishops and so on.
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Re: Ten Years of Illegal Detention of Patriarch Abune Antonios of Eritrea
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2017, 11:40:06 AM »
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Eritrean authorities have stage-managed the first public appearance in 10 years of Patriarch Abune Antonios, rights group Christian Solidarity Worldwide has told RFI. The former head of the country’s Orthodox Church had been under house arrest for opposing the government's attempts to control one of the country’s largest Christian denominations.

“Everything points to trying to manage a narrative because of international pressure,” said Christian Solidarity Worldwide’s Khataza Gondwe, referring to Antonios’s appearance during mass at a cathedral in Asmara on Sunday.

Despite being present at the service, Antonios was not allowed to say anything, people were forbidden from taking photographs and afterwards he was returned to where he is being detained, said Gondwe. “There were suspicions that this might not be all that it cracked up to be,” she added.

http://m.en.rfi.fr/africa/20170718-eritrea-manipulates-reappearance-detained-orthodox-church-leader
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Re: Ten Years of Illegal Detention of Patriarch Abune Antonios of Eritrea
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2017, 04:12:00 PM »
This is so confusing!

May God strengthen His Holiness Abune Antonios and keep him for many more years!
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Re: Ten Years of Illegal Detention of Patriarch Abune Antonios of Eritrea
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2017, 04:15:31 PM »
Amen. Lord, have mercy.
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Re: Ten Years of Illegal Detention of Patriarch Abune Antonios of Eritrea
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2017, 06:24:03 PM »
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Eritrean authorities have stage-managed the first public appearance in 10 years of Patriarch Abune Antonios, rights group Christian Solidarity Worldwide has told RFI. The former head of the country’s Orthodox Church had been under house arrest for opposing the government's attempts to control one of the country’s largest Christian denominations.

“Everything points to trying to manage a narrative because of international pressure,” said Christian Solidarity Worldwide’s Khataza Gondwe, referring to Antonios’s appearance during mass at a cathedral in Asmara on Sunday.

Despite being present at the service, Antonios was not allowed to say anything, people were forbidden from taking photographs and afterwards he was returned to where he is being detained, said Gondwe. “There were suspicions that this might not be all that it cracked up to be,” she added.

http://m.en.rfi.fr/africa/20170718-eritrea-manipulates-reappearance-detained-orthodox-church-leader

^ Sadly, this is what is happening.  It's good to see that international pressure is having some effect.
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