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Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« on: June 09, 2017, 01:13:20 PM »
An interesting, strange, and rather confused article that seems to argue, among other things, that Orthodoxy's failure to submit to the Pope is the ultimate cause of revolutions. The conversion of Russia, as requested by the Fatima apparition, is linked explicitly to the efforts of various 19th century Russian renegades who established societies to pray for the conversion of Russia to Catholicism.

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/06/de-matteis-double-article-russia-will.html
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2017, 01:39:04 PM »
"Rather confused" is a charitable way to put it. It was nearly unreadable. It was all over the place and I still am not sure I understand what the point of it was.
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2017, 01:41:25 PM »
Only a European could write this garbage.

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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2017, 02:15:43 PM »
Consider the source.

"The Association of Prayers for the Triumph of the Blessed Immaculate Virgin in the conversion of the Eastern Schismatics, especially the Russians, to the Catholic Faith" is a fun name for a society, though.
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2017, 02:54:07 PM »
Do they want clown masses in Znamenie?
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2017, 02:55:48 PM »
Consider the source.

"The Association of Prayers for the Triumph of the Blessed Immaculate Virgin in the conversion of the Eastern Schismatics, especially the Russians, to the Catholic Faith" is a fun name for a society, though.

'The APTBIVCESERCF' just doesn't have the same ring.
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2017, 03:00:10 PM »
Roberto de Mattei is a reformed Catholic historian.  Surprise! ;)

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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2017, 03:11:11 PM »
Consider the source.

"The Association of Prayers for the Triumph of the Blessed Immaculate Virgin in the conversion of the Eastern Schismatics, especially the Russians, to the Catholic Faith" is a fun name for a society, though.

The name of their organization actually contains parenthetical elements offset with commas, huh?  Was their founder an ancestor of Alpha60?
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2017, 03:31:23 PM »
Consider the source.

"The Association of Prayers for the Triumph of the Blessed Immaculate Virgin in the conversion of the Eastern Schismatics, especially the Russians, to the Catholic Faith" is a fun name for a society, though.

The name of their organization actually contains parenthetical elements offset with commas, huh?  Was their founder an ancestor of Alpha60?

It's much simpler than that. Alpha60 is a 200-year-old liturgical android programmed to think in classical Russian and write with the excess of the Victorian English.That it caught a fancy for middle eastern vestments and naval administration is just a natural progression of episcopal AI drift.
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2017, 04:41:30 PM »
Consider the source.

"The Association of Prayers for the Triumph of the Blessed Immaculate Virgin in the conversion of the Eastern Schismatics, especially the Russians, to the Catholic Faith" is a fun name for a society, though.

The name of their organization actually contains parenthetical elements offset with commas, huh?  Was their founder an ancestor of Alpha60?

It's much simpler than that. Alpha60 is a 200-year-old liturgical android programmed to think in classical Russian and write with the excess of the Victorian English.That it caught a fancy for middle eastern vestments and naval administration is just a natural progression of episcopal AI drift.

Makes sense.  I'll say this for it: of the AI programs we presently have running on oc.net, it's by far the most coherent and the least passive-aggressive trolly.
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2017, 06:25:33 PM »
An interesting, strange, and rather confused article that seems to argue, among other things, that Orthodoxy's failure to submit to the Pope is the ultimate cause of revolutions. The conversion of Russia, as requested by the Fatima apparition, is linked explicitly to the efforts of various 19th century Russian renegades who established societies to pray for the conversion of Russia to Catholicism.

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/06/de-matteis-double-article-russia-will.html

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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2017, 06:50:27 PM »
What sort of terrible writer leaves their argument/thesis for the final line of their article?
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2017, 12:55:06 AM »
Love surfing the net using things like this as a starting point. My favorite was a link which took me to a publication called The Remnant, where I read articles on things like Trump fighting against the New World Order (sure Trump has his issues, the article vaguely brings up, but hey, Constantine wasn't perfect either! One commenter seemed to think that King David was a better comparison; YMMV)
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2017, 01:02:58 AM »
Love surfing the net using things like this as a starting point. My favorite was a link which took me to a publication called The Remnant, where I read articles on things like Trump fighting against the New World Order (sure Trump has his issues, the article vaguely brings up, but hey, Constantine wasn't perfect either! One commenter seemed to think that King David was a better comparison; YMMV)
I saw comparisons with Darius the Great when he rose to power.
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2017, 02:07:37 AM »
Accidentally, I saw the same thing on a German page yesterday. de Mattei writes reasonable stuff most of the time. I think it is a part of some article series on the conversion of Russia to the Una Sancta. So there is probably more to come.
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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2017, 10:46:41 AM »
An interesting, strange, and rather confused article that seems to argue, among other things, that Orthodoxy's failure to submit to the Pope...
Aren't these the same people who say that the last few popes haven't been true popes, thus they have refused to submit to the last few popes? And the mind blows...  :o
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2017, 07:10:07 AM »
The devil has been trying to apostacize Russia for years. Nothing new here.

I mean really. Anyone ever wonder why its always Russia?
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2017, 04:32:15 PM »
Russia has been Catholic for over a millenium.

When will the Vatican?
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2017, 05:14:28 PM »
Love surfing the net using things like this as a starting point. My favorite was a link which took me to a publication called The Remnant, where I read articles on things like Trump fighting against the New World Order (sure Trump has his issues, the article vaguely brings up, but hey, Constantine wasn't perfect either! One commenter seemed to think that King David was a better comparison; YMMV)
I saw comparisons with Darius the Great when he rose to power.

I think any good that will happen will be akin to that under Jeroboam II.
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2017, 02:41:41 PM »
Russia has been Catholic for over a millenium.

When will the Vatican?
Rome has been Catholic a few hundred years before the first man was baptized in Russia. Even my diocese is older than Russian Orthodoxy. So hold your horses.
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2017, 02:44:21 PM »
Russia has been Catholic for over a millenium.

When will the Vatican?
Rome has been Catholic a few hundred years before the first man was baptized in Russia. Even my diocese is older than Russian Orthodoxy. So hold your horses.

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« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2017, 09:14:34 PM »
Maybe they could try converting and crusading around Lake Peipus first.  St Alexander Nevsky Pray for us!

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« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2017, 09:21:16 PM »
Maybe they could try converting and crusading around Lake Peipus first.  St Alexander Nevsky Pray for us!

Amen!
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2017, 01:30:34 PM »
RC should worry about Latin America rather than Russia.

Guatemala and Honduras used to be Catholic majority. However, right now, RC only made up about 50% of population.



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« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2017, 02:00:35 PM »
RC should worry about Latin America rather than Russia.

Guatemala and Honduras used to be Catholic majority. However, right now, RC only made up about 50% of population.

Right.  And chasing the Pentecostals around the schoolyard with so-called "Charismatic Catholicism" isn't a viable answer.
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2017, 06:55:06 PM »
In The Legend of White Cowl the angel said that Russia will stay true until the end. So no Russia to Catholicism.

We need to pray for Russia to stay true until the end.

I don't believe the angel was wrong and I believe that Russia will stay true until the end.
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« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2017, 07:07:11 PM »
RC should worry about Latin America rather than Russia.

Guatemala and Honduras used to be Catholic majority. However, right now, RC only made up about 50% of population.

Right.  And chasing the Pentecostals around the schoolyard with so-called "Charismatic Catholicism" isn't a viable answer.

I agree. "Catholic" Europe is dead, and Latin America is dying fast. They need to get their house in order, or else there won't be a 1 billion strong Roman Catholic Church for very long.
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2017, 10:35:52 PM »
RC should worry about Latin America rather than Russia.

Guatemala and Honduras used to be Catholic majority. However, right now, RC only made up about 50% of population.

Right.  And chasing the Pentecostals around the schoolyard with so-called "Charismatic Catholicism" isn't a viable answer.

I agree. "Catholic" Europe is dead, and Latin America is dying fast. They need to get their house in order, or else there won't be a 1 billion strong Roman Catholic Church for very long.

I sincerely doubt that number as it is. I wonder what percentage of that 1 billion are actually active, practicing adherents...
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2017, 10:36:55 PM »
RC should worry about Latin America rather than Russia.

Guatemala and Honduras used to be Catholic majority. However, right now, RC only made up about 50% of population.

Right.  And chasing the Pentecostals around the schoolyard with so-called "Charismatic Catholicism" isn't a viable answer.

I agree. "Catholic" Europe is dead, and Latin America is dying fast. They need to get their house in order, or else there won't be a 1 billion strong Roman Catholic Church for very long.

I sincerely doubt that number as it is. I wonder what percentage of that 1 billion are actually active, practicing adherents...

Why does that matter? It's not a test of piety, it's a distinction between faith populations around the world.
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2017, 10:13:15 AM »
RC should worry about Latin America rather than Russia.

Guatemala and Honduras used to be Catholic majority. However, right now, RC only made up about 50% of population.

Right.  And chasing the Pentecostals around the schoolyard with so-called "Charismatic Catholicism" isn't a viable answer.

I agree. "Catholic" Europe is dead, and Latin America is dying fast. They need to get their house in order, or else there won't be a 1 billion strong Roman Catholic Church for very long.

I sincerely doubt that number as it is. I wonder what percentage of that 1 billion are actually active, practicing adherents...

Why does that matter? It's not a test of piety, it's a distinction between faith populations around the world.

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« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2017, 10:27:23 AM »
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« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2017, 10:29:02 AM »
Only a European could write this garbage.

Europe is across the Atlantic on the other Continents.
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« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2017, 10:30:59 AM »
WPM is the dril of OC.net. A pure artist.
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2017, 10:36:37 AM »
RC should worry about Latin America rather than Russia.

Guatemala and Honduras used to be Catholic majority. However, right now, RC only made up about 50% of population.

Right.  And chasing the Pentecostals around the schoolyard with so-called "Charismatic Catholicism" isn't a viable answer.

I agree. "Catholic" Europe is dead
Not quite yet, not quite yet.
What do you know about it? I still hope things will stabilize - though admittedly at a much lower level, obviously.
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« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2017, 10:45:18 AM »
RC should worry about Latin America rather than Russia.

Guatemala and Honduras used to be Catholic majority. However, right now, RC only made up about 50% of population.

Right.  And chasing the Pentecostals around the schoolyard with so-called "Charismatic Catholicism" isn't a viable answer.

I agree. "Catholic" Europe is dead
Not quite yet, not quite yet.
What do you know about it? I still hope things will stabilize - though admittedly at a much lower level, obviously.

Isn't Bavaria still disproportionally religious compared to other regions in Europe?

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« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2017, 10:49:06 AM »
Only a European could write this garbage.


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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2017, 10:56:22 AM »
RC should worry about Latin America rather than Russia.

Guatemala and Honduras used to be Catholic majority. However, right now, RC only made up about 50% of population.

Right.  And chasing the Pentecostals around the schoolyard with so-called "Charismatic Catholicism" isn't a viable answer.

I agree. "Catholic" Europe is dead
Not quite yet, not quite yet.
What do you know about it? I still hope things will stabilize - though admittedly at a much lower level, obviously.

Isn't Bavaria still disproportionally religious compared to other regions in Europe?
It depends. In rural areas - where I am coming from - it still partly is the case. But we are loosing ground dramatically. The church played a major role in everyone's lifes, up to the generation of my parents. My generation is going to lose it.
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2017, 10:58:51 AM »
RC should worry about Latin America rather than Russia.

Guatemala and Honduras used to be Catholic majority. However, right now, RC only made up about 50% of population.

Right.  And chasing the Pentecostals around the schoolyard with so-called "Charismatic Catholicism" isn't a viable answer.

I agree. "Catholic" Europe is dead
Not quite yet, not quite yet.
What do you know about it? I still hope things will stabilize - though admittedly at a much lower level, obviously.

Isn't Bavaria still disproportionally religious compared to other regions in Europe?
It depends. In rural areas - where I am coming from - it still partly is the case. But we are loosing ground dramatically. The church played a major role in everyone's lifes, up to the generation of my parents. My generation is going to lose it.

Sad to hear.

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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2017, 11:09:18 AM »
RC should worry about Latin America rather than Russia.

Guatemala and Honduras used to be Catholic majority. However, right now, RC only made up about 50% of population.

Right.  And chasing the Pentecostals around the schoolyard with so-called "Charismatic Catholicism" isn't a viable answer.

I agree. "Catholic" Europe is dead
Not quite yet, not quite yet.
What do you know about it? I still hope things will stabilize - though admittedly at a much lower level, obviously.

Isn't Bavaria still disproportionally religious compared to other regions in Europe?
It depends. In rural areas - where I am coming from - it still partly is the case. But we are loosing ground dramatically. The church played a major role in everyone's lifes, up to the generation of my parents. My generation is going to lose it.

Sad to hear.
Yes. But it is our own fault. It's all about passing on the faith to your children. It's the same for me, symptomatic: Chances are my children will not be Catholic, but Orthodox. This may not appear as a problem to you, but it would have been unthinkable two generations ago.
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2017, 11:43:20 AM »
RC should worry about Latin America rather than Russia.

Guatemala and Honduras used to be Catholic majority. However, right now, RC only made up about 50% of population.

Right.  And chasing the Pentecostals around the schoolyard with so-called "Charismatic Catholicism" isn't a viable answer.

I agree. "Catholic" Europe is dead, and Latin America is dying fast. They need to get their house in order, or else there won't be a 1 billion strong Roman Catholic Church for very long.

I sincerely doubt that number as it is. I wonder what percentage of that 1 billion are actually active, practicing adherents...

Why does that matter? It's not a test of piety, it's a distinction between faith populations around the world.

You seem nice.

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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2017, 11:56:12 AM »
RC should worry about Latin America rather than Russia.

Guatemala and Honduras used to be Catholic majority. However, right now, RC only made up about 50% of population.

Right.  And chasing the Pentecostals around the schoolyard with so-called "Charismatic Catholicism" isn't a viable answer.

I agree. "Catholic" Europe is dead
Not quite yet, not quite yet.
What do you know about it? I still hope things will stabilize - though admittedly at a much lower level, obviously.

Isn't Bavaria still disproportionally religious compared to other regions in Europe?
It depends. In rural areas - where I am coming from - it still partly is the case. But we are loosing ground dramatically. The church played a major role in everyone's lifes, up to the generation of my parents. My generation is going to lose it.
Catholic Europe is not dead yet.
In Madrid, the small Catholic parish near my residence the 20:00 daily Mass there are about 70 people go to Mass. A lot of young people go to Mass every day.
During the Sunday Mass the entire church is packed.
There are so many young people in their early 20s. The people who line up for confession are generally young people around age of 20-30.

Interesting thing is the young people tend to receive communion by tongue. However, the older people tend to receive communion by hand.
I had a talk with my Spanish friend, he said that the younger generation of people in Spain begin to rediscover their faith. There are many young university students in Spain belong to various Catholic movements like Opus Dei.

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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2017, 02:26:41 PM »
Sadly, in Madrid in Novos Ordo Mass almost no woman cover their hair...
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2017, 02:30:57 PM »
Sadly, in Madrid in Novos Ordo Mass almost no woman cover their hair...

That is sad. But there are things that are much sadder. "Count your blessings," as they say.
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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #43 on: July 14, 2017, 02:34:26 PM »
Sadly, in Madrid in Novos Ordo Mass almost no woman cover their hair...

That is sad. But there are things that are much sadder. "Count your blessings," as they say.

It is true.

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Re: Rorate Caeli: 'Russia Will Be Catholic'
« Reply #44 on: July 14, 2017, 02:39:05 PM »
Sadly, in Madrid in Novos Ordo Mass almost no woman cover their hair...

At least they have hair.