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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #135 on: October 02, 2019, 04:35:18 AM »
And in general wizards and warlocks and witches are depicted as evil or fraudulent, in L. Frank Baum, for example; the classic film adaptation of the Wizard of Oz manages to depict them as both, in that you have diabolical, yet incompetent, witches, and a fraudulent wizard who is actually an illusionist using smoke and mirrors and a giant projection system.

That's Glinda erasure, and I won't stand for it.
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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #136 on: October 02, 2019, 12:05:50 PM »
And in general wizards and warlocks and witches are depicted as evil or fraudulent, in L. Frank Baum, for example; the classic film adaptation of the Wizard of Oz manages to depict them as both, in that you have diabolical, yet incompetent, witches, and a fraudulent wizard who is actually an illusionist using smoke and mirrors and a giant projection system.

That's Glinda erasure, and I won't stand for it.

ROFL!  You got me Arachne; I forgot about her.  How, I can’t imagine.  Although she falls into the category of a fairy godmother type ala Sleeping Beauty, but she is indeed referred to as a witch.  By the way, we have the Wicked Witch of the East, who was flatened, the Wicked Witch of the West, who was Meeeellllllllllttttteeeeeeedddddddddd (there is a lovely interview with that actress by Rev. Fred Rogers on an episode of Mr. Rogers’ Neighborhood), the Good Witch of the North, who I forgot about entirely (I remembered the ruby slippers but not how they were obtained), so who lives in the South?
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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #137 on: October 02, 2019, 12:49:47 PM »
And in general wizards and warlocks and witches are depicted as evil or fraudulent, in L. Frank Baum, for example; the classic film adaptation of the Wizard of Oz manages to depict them as both, in that you have diabolical, yet incompetent, witches, and a fraudulent wizard who is actually an illusionist using smoke and mirrors and a giant projection system.

That's Glinda erasure, and I won't stand for it.

ROFL!  You got me Arachne; I forgot about her.  How, I can’t imagine.  Although she falls into the category of a fairy godmother type ala Sleeping Beauty, but she is indeed referred to as a witch.

And this is another glorious instance of the infantilisation of fairy tales: only evil magical women are witches - nice magical women have to be fairies. Heh, in traditional folklore, fairies are terrifying; amoral at best, actively malevolent at worst. Calling them Fair Folk is the western equivalent of calling the Furies the Kindly Ones in an attempt to deflect their wrath.

In folk tales of the British Isles, with which Rowling is likely to have been familiar growing up, witches (and wizards) are people with knowledge that the common folk don't have, and they can use that knowledge to help or harm the common folk, depending on their character and the circumstances. They are often seen doing both; after all, a witch who cannot hex cannot heal. 8)
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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #138 on: October 02, 2019, 02:23:13 PM »
Of the Oz films I much prefer Return to Oz.
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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #139 on: October 08, 2019, 12:24:05 PM »
And in general wizards and warlocks and witches are depicted as evil or fraudulent, in L. Frank Baum, for example; the classic film adaptation of the Wizard of Oz manages to depict them as both, in that you have diabolical, yet incompetent, witches, and a fraudulent wizard who is actually an illusionist using smoke and mirrors and a giant projection system.

That's Glinda erasure, and I won't stand for it.

ROFL!  You got me Arachne; I forgot about her.  How, I can’t imagine.  Although she falls into the category of a fairy godmother type ala Sleeping Beauty, but she is indeed referred to as a witch.

And this is another glorious instance of the infantilisation of fairy tales: only evil magical women are witches - nice magical women have to be fairies. Heh, in traditional folklore, fairies are terrifying; amoral at best, actively malevolent at worst. Calling them Fair Folk is the western equivalent of calling the Furies the Kindly Ones in an attempt to deflect their wrath.

In folk tales of the British Isles, with which Rowling is likely to have been familiar growing up, witches (and wizards) are people with knowledge that the common folk don't have, and they can use that knowledge to help or harm the common folk, depending on their character and the circumstances. They are often seen doing both; after all, a witch who cannot hex cannot heal. 8)

Good points.

In Ameirca witch craft has been characterized exactly opposite, satanic instead of gnostic or esoteric knowledge. And in typical American fashion, we only see things through our eyes and not the eyes of the creator.
Harry potter is just another in a long line of Good vs Evil stories.
People will take anything ans try to bend it to their beliefs.
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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #140 on: October 08, 2019, 03:02:55 PM »
Of the Oz films I much prefer Return to Oz.

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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #141 on: October 08, 2019, 03:21:57 PM »
And in general wizards and warlocks and witches are depicted as evil or fraudulent, in L. Frank Baum, for example; the classic film adaptation of the Wizard of Oz manages to depict them as both, in that you have diabolical, yet incompetent, witches, and a fraudulent wizard who is actually an illusionist using smoke and mirrors and a giant projection system.

That's Glinda erasure, and I won't stand for it.

ROFL!  You got me Arachne; I forgot about her.  How, I can’t imagine.  Although she falls into the category of a fairy godmother type ala Sleeping Beauty, but she is indeed referred to as a witch.

And this is another glorious instance of the infantilisation of fairy tales: only evil magical women are witches - nice magical women have to be fairies. Heh, in traditional folklore, fairies are terrifying; amoral at best, actively malevolent at worst. Calling them Fair Folk is the western equivalent of calling the Furies the Kindly Ones in an attempt to deflect their wrath.

In folk tales of the British Isles, with which Rowling is likely to have been familiar growing up, witches (and wizards) are people with knowledge that the common folk don't have, and they can use that knowledge to help or harm the common folk, depending on their character and the circumstances. They are often seen doing both; after all, a witch who cannot hex cannot heal. 8)

Good points.

In Ameirca witch craft has been characterized exactly opposite, satanic instead of gnostic or esoteric knowledge. And in typical American fashion, we only see things through our eyes and not the eyes of the creator.
Harry potter is just another in a long line of Good vs Evil stories.
People will take anything ans try to bend it to their beliefs.

You'll probably like this piece: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/01/why-the-british-tell-better-childrens-stories/422859/
'Evil isn't the real threat to the world. Stupid is just as destructive as evil, maybe more so, and it's a hell of a lot more common. What we really need is a crusade against stupid. That might actually make a difference.'~Harry Dresden

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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #142 on: October 09, 2019, 12:59:07 AM »
Yeh, I think there be nothing evil or against God in Harry Potter ~ clearly a struggle between Good and Evil ```

The Bible is full of Magic ~ magic done with the the help of evil is bad ~ Magic done by and through the Lord is Good ~ wouldn't you say ```
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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #143 on: October 09, 2019, 10:01:37 AM »
Yeh, I think there be nothing evil or against God in Harry Potter ~ clearly a struggle between Good and Evil ```

The Bible is full of Magic ~ magic done with the the help of evil is bad ~ Magic done by and through the Lord is Good ~ wouldn't you say ```

Id say so.
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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #144 on: October 09, 2019, 10:06:14 AM »
And in general wizards and warlocks and witches are depicted as evil or fraudulent, in L. Frank Baum, for example; the classic film adaptation of the Wizard of Oz manages to depict them as both, in that you have diabolical, yet incompetent, witches, and a fraudulent wizard who is actually an illusionist using smoke and mirrors and a giant projection system.

That's Glinda erasure, and I won't stand for it.

ROFL!  You got me Arachne; I forgot about her.  How, I can’t imagine.  Although she falls into the category of a fairy godmother type ala Sleeping Beauty, but she is indeed referred to as a witch.

And this is another glorious instance of the infantilisation of fairy tales: only evil magical women are witches - nice magical women have to be fairies. Heh, in traditional folklore, fairies are terrifying; amoral at best, actively malevolent at worst. Calling them Fair Folk is the western equivalent of calling the Furies the Kindly Ones in an attempt to deflect their wrath.

In folk tales of the British Isles, with which Rowling is likely to have been familiar growing up, witches (and wizards) are people with knowledge that the common folk don't have, and they can use that knowledge to help or harm the common folk, depending on their character and the circumstances. They are often seen doing both; after all, a witch who cannot hex cannot heal. 8)

Good points.

In Ameirca witch craft has been characterized exactly opposite, satanic instead of gnostic or esoteric knowledge. And in typical American fashion, we only see things through our eyes and not the eyes of the creator.
Harry potter is just another in a long line of Good vs Evil stories.
People will take anything ans try to bend it to their beliefs.

You'll probably like this piece: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/01/why-the-british-tell-better-childrens-stories/422859/

That is a good article. To sum it up in one sentence, Americans tell stories with moral social issues, while the brits tell stories in a fantasy folklore way.

Personally i love the first 3 star wars more than potter, or lotr. Theres notning like space. But i grew up back then, so maybe im a little biased.
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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #145 on: October 09, 2019, 10:13:06 AM »
Yeh, I think there be nothing evil or against God in Harry Potter ~ clearly a struggle between Good and Evil ```

The Bible is full of Magic ~ magic done with the the help of evil is bad ~ Magic done by and through the Lord is Good ~ wouldn't you say ```

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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #146 on: October 09, 2019, 02:35:21 PM »
And in general wizards and warlocks and witches are depicted as evil or fraudulent, in L. Frank Baum, for example; the classic film adaptation of the Wizard of Oz manages to depict them as both, in that you have diabolical, yet incompetent, witches, and a fraudulent wizard who is actually an illusionist using smoke and mirrors and a giant projection system.

That's Glinda erasure, and I won't stand for it.

ROFL!  You got me Arachne; I forgot about her.  How, I can’t imagine.  Although she falls into the category of a fairy godmother type ala Sleeping Beauty, but she is indeed referred to as a witch.

And this is another glorious instance of the infantilisation of fairy tales: only evil magical women are witches - nice magical women have to be fairies. Heh, in traditional folklore, fairies are terrifying; amoral at best, actively malevolent at worst. Calling them Fair Folk is the western equivalent of calling the Furies the Kindly Ones in an attempt to deflect their wrath.

In folk tales of the British Isles, with which Rowling is likely to have been familiar growing up, witches (and wizards) are people with knowledge that the common folk don't have, and they can use that knowledge to help or harm the common folk, depending on their character and the circumstances. They are often seen doing both; after all, a witch who cannot hex cannot heal. 8)

Good points.

In Ameirca witch craft has been characterized exactly opposite, satanic instead of gnostic or esoteric knowledge. And in typical American fashion, we only see things through our eyes and not the eyes of the creator.
Harry potter is just another in a long line of Good vs Evil stories.
People will take anything ans try to bend it to their beliefs.

You'll probably like this piece: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/01/why-the-british-tell-better-childrens-stories/422859/

That is a good article. To sum it up in one sentence, Americans tell stories with moral social issues, while the brits tell stories in a fantasy folklore way.

Personally i love the first 3 star wars more than potter, or lotr. Theres notning like space. But i grew up back then, so maybe im a little biased.

If Star Wars isn't a fairytale, I don't know what is. 'A long time ago in a galaxy far far away' is literally 'Once upon a time'.
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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #147 on: October 10, 2019, 02:35:25 PM »
I still giggle every time a notification from this thread pops up.
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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #148 on: October 11, 2019, 08:47:30 PM »
And in general wizards and warlocks and witches are depicted as evil or fraudulent, in L. Frank Baum, for example; the classic film adaptation of the Wizard of Oz manages to depict them as both, in that you have diabolical, yet incompetent, witches, and a fraudulent wizard who is actually an illusionist using smoke and mirrors and a giant projection system.

That's Glinda erasure, and I won't stand for it.

ROFL!  You got me Arachne; I forgot about her.  How, I can’t imagine.  Although she falls into the category of a fairy godmother type ala Sleeping Beauty, but she is indeed referred to as a witch.

And this is another glorious instance of the infantilisation of fairy tales: only evil magical women are witches - nice magical women have to be fairies. Heh, in traditional folklore, fairies are terrifying; amoral at best, actively malevolent at worst. Calling them Fair Folk is the western equivalent of calling the Furies the Kindly Ones in an attempt to deflect their wrath.

In folk tales of the British Isles, with which Rowling is likely to have been familiar growing up, witches (and wizards) are people with knowledge that the common folk don't have, and they can use that knowledge to help or harm the common folk, depending on their character and the circumstances. They are often seen doing both; after all, a witch who cannot hex cannot heal. 8)

Good points.

In Ameirca witch craft has been characterized exactly opposite, satanic instead of gnostic or esoteric knowledge. And in typical American fashion, we only see things through our eyes and not the eyes of the creator.
Harry potter is just another in a long line of Good vs Evil stories.
People will take anything ans try to bend it to their beliefs.

You'll probably like this piece: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/01/why-the-british-tell-better-childrens-stories/422859/

That is a good article. To sum it up in one sentence, Americans tell stories with moral social issues, while the brits tell stories in a fantasy folklore way.

Personally i love the first 3 star wars more than potter, or lotr. Theres notning like space. But i grew up back then, so maybe im a little biased.

If Star Wars isn't a fairytale, I don't know what is. 'A long time ago in a galaxy far far away' is literally 'Once upon a time'.

Didnt say it was. Just that i prefer it more.

But, maybe it did happen in a galaxy fat far away, and george lucas is an alien spreading his peoples stories?  LoL
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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #149 on: October 12, 2019, 12:55:39 AM »
Yep, the first Star Wars were good ~ the on and on sequels never seem to work ~ unless we suspend disbelief and make them work without question ```
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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #150 on: October 17, 2019, 11:19:14 AM »
The Holy Bible is full of magic, divination, dreams, spells, foretelling the future, even speaking to those no longer living on earth ~ what is considered witchcraft is only forbidden and evil when done with or by the help of shetan ~ all things done with God and by God are Good ```


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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #151 on: October 17, 2019, 07:56:03 PM »
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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #152 on: October 17, 2019, 08:17:29 PM »
Sethrak, are you insinuating that Harry Potter has God-like powers?
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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #153 on: October 18, 2019, 12:48:48 AM »
No~ I am Not ~ don't tell me what I think ~ I can speak for myself ~ Harry Potter is a made up nobody in a book, a movie ~ I think it is not a book or movie that is against Our God ~ that magic and raising the dead and all else is in the Holy Bible ~ that things of magic done by God are Good ~ magic or anything done by the devil is evil ~ wait a minute ~ let me not get upfenset ~ all you were doing is misquoting me and my thinking ~ Excuse me Eamonomae ~ but ~ Speak for yourself ~ thank youse ```











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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #154 on: October 18, 2019, 09:34:42 AM »
Every rational creature has God-like powers.
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« Reply #155 on: October 18, 2019, 10:13:56 AM »
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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #156 on: October 18, 2019, 10:40:47 AM »
Is Jesus a magician?

Was the Lord's arrival announced by mages/magi(cians) using astrology?
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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #157 on: October 18, 2019, 12:14:24 PM »
No~ I am Not ~ don't tell me what I think ~ I can speak for myself ~ Harry Potter is a made up nobody in a book, a movie ~ I think it is not a book or movie that is against Our God ~ that magic and raising the dead and all else is in the Holy Bible ~ that things of magic done by God are Good ~ magic or anything done by the devil is evil ~ wait a minute ~ let me not get upfenset ~ all you were doing is misquoting me and my thinking ~ Excuse me Eamonomae ~ but ~ Speak for yourself ~ thank youse ```


I'm not trying to "upfenset" you. But there's a very clear distinction between the capabilities of the devils and the capabilities of God, and the human interactions thereof.

The demons' capabilities are pretty limited and can only do so much. They have the intent to cause harm and destruction, mostly spiritually, but also socially and individually. When asking for demonic guidance, the goal is an immediate, certain benefit. The kind of communication between the demons and people is more one to one, negotiating and bargaining. Very specific rituals are used for magic and demons, involving a combination of many different things, including astrological timing, sinful acts, pagan and demonic invocation/worship, certain ritualistic requirements to be met, certain tools to be used in the aforementioned, etc.

God's capabilities are infinite, as God is omnipotent. The purpose is the salvation of our souls, but also for the functioning of human society and our individual well being. There is no guarantee of an immediate benefit when asking God or His Saints; rather, it's an act of Trust and Love that they will do what's best for the salvation of your soul, and the salvation of others. There is (or should be) no negotiating or bargaining for immediate benefits. To ask God, one simply needs prayer and the Liturgy.

There's clearly a difference between magic, which shares the qualities of the first category, and miracles / Divine Power / Grace, which share the qualities of the second category.
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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #158 on: October 18, 2019, 12:16:28 PM »
Is Jesus a magician?

Was the Lord's arrival announced by mages/magi(cians) using astrology?

That was for the purposes of showing that Christ came to both Jews and Gentiles. Far from a ringing endorsement of astrology.

Should we begin worshipping pagan gods when St. Paul saw the Gentiles worshipping the unknown God?
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« Reply #159 on: October 18, 2019, 12:20:22 PM »
Every rational creature has God-like powers.

Gotta love the equivocation game.
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« Reply #160 on: October 18, 2019, 01:22:11 PM »
Every rational creature has God-like powers.

Gotta love the equivocation game.

Actually it's the univocation game.
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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #161 on: October 18, 2019, 04:20:16 PM »
Is Jesus a magician?

Was the Lord's arrival announced by mages/magi(cians) using astrology?

That was for the purposes of showing that Christ came to both Jews and Gentiles. Far from a ringing endorsement of astrology.

Should we begin worshipping pagan gods when St. Paul saw the Gentiles worshipping the unknown God?

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« Reply #162 on: October 18, 2019, 11:12:29 PM »
Is Jesus a magician?

Was the Lord's arrival announced by mages/magi(cians) using astrology?

That was for the purposes of showing that Christ came to both Jews and Gentiles. Far from a ringing endorsement of astrology.

Should we begin worshipping pagan gods when St. Paul saw the Gentiles worshipping the unknown God?

You must be a peach at coffee hour.

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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #163 on: October 18, 2019, 11:16:25 PM »
Is Jesus a magician?

Was the Lord's arrival announced by mages/magi(cians) using astrology?

Did Saul contact Samuel through a witch?
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« Reply #164 on: October 18, 2019, 11:28:23 PM »
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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #166 on: October 23, 2019, 10:15:43 AM »
This thread reminds me of when I went to a barbecue in a mental health clinic.
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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #167 on: October 23, 2019, 03:52:07 PM »
And in general wizards and warlocks and witches are depicted as evil or fraudulent, in L. Frank Baum, for example; the classic film adaptation of the Wizard of Oz manages to depict them as both, in that you have diabolical, yet incompetent, witches, and a fraudulent wizard who is actually an illusionist using smoke and mirrors and a giant projection system.

That's Glinda erasure, and I won't stand for it.

ROFL!  You got me Arachne; I forgot about her.  How, I can’t imagine.  Although she falls into the category of a fairy godmother type ala Sleeping Beauty, but she is indeed referred to as a witch.

And this is another glorious instance of the infantilisation of fairy tales: only evil magical women are witches - nice magical women have to be fairies. Heh, in traditional folklore, fairies are terrifying; amoral at best, actively malevolent at worst. Calling them Fair Folk is the western equivalent of calling the Furies the Kindly Ones in an attempt to deflect their wrath.

In folk tales of the British Isles, with which Rowling is likely to have been familiar growing up, witches (and wizards) are people with knowledge that the common folk don't have, and they can use that knowledge to help or harm the common folk, depending on their character and the circumstances. They are often seen doing both; after all, a witch who cannot hex cannot heal. 8)

Good points.

In Ameirca witch craft has been characterized exactly opposite, satanic instead of gnostic or esoteric knowledge. And in typical American fashion, we only see things through our eyes and not the eyes of the creator.
Harry potter is just another in a long line of Good vs Evil stories.
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You'll probably like this piece: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/01/why-the-british-tell-better-childrens-stories/422859/

That is a good article. To sum it up in one sentence, Americans tell stories with moral social issues, while the brits tell stories in a fantasy folklore way.

Personally i love the first 3 star wars more than potter, or lotr. Theres notning like space. But i grew up back then, so maybe im a little biased.

If Star Wars isn't a fairytale, I don't know what is. 'A long time ago in a galaxy far far away' is literally 'Once upon a time'.

Indeed so.  It even has magic via the force.  It is a Space Opera, to be sure, but one which leans towards what some people call “Science Fantasy.”  On that note, Arthur C. Clarke famously said any sufficiently advanced technology should be indistinguishable from magic, and the greatest living critic of science fiction and fantasy after the tragic death of his collaborator Peter Norman, that being the Canadian critic John Clute, has, in frustration with the grey area betwixt fantasy and science fiction, advocated the use of “Fantastika” to refer to the two genres in a unified sense, as a meta-genre.

This works because in many of the best cases, it can be really hard to tell the two apart.  Edmond Hamilton, Leigh Brackett and EE “Doc” Smith are obvious examples, the Space Trilogy of CS Lewis even more so, but people forget that even allegedly “hard sci fi” authors like Robert A. Heinlein, wrote, in addition to very technical stories such as The Roads Must Roll or The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, flamboyant space operas like Citizen of the Galaxy and Have Spacesuit, Will Travel, fantastic fiction about Mars, such as Stranger in a Strange Land, and straight-up fantasy ranging from “And he built a crooked house” to Waldo, Magic Inc., Job, a Comedy of Justice, and The Number of the Beast, to name just a few.

And conversely, in writers like HP Lovecraft, whose works of supernatural horror are obvious fantasy, there is also a persistant science fiction element as well.

For that matter, Dune, 2001: A Space Odyssey, and, by its own admission in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, that series, all are fantasies as much as they are works of science fiction.  Science fiction which is devoid of a fantastic element tends to be dry and boring; the only author who accomplished it was Heinlein, and he was quite gifted (The Roads Must Roll is literally a story about a network of escalators and moving sidewalks, but it is also thrilling; how does one make escalators and moving walkways exciting?  That in itself comes across as magical, almost).

I have to confess Arachne I greatly admire your appreciation for the genre of fantastic literature.

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Re: Retraction of all bad things said about Harry Potter
« Reply #168 on: October 23, 2019, 03:59:31 PM »
And in general wizards and warlocks and witches are depicted as evil or fraudulent, in L. Frank Baum, for example; the classic film adaptation of the Wizard of Oz manages to depict them as both, in that you have diabolical, yet incompetent, witches, and a fraudulent wizard who is actually an illusionist using smoke and mirrors and a giant projection system.

That's Glinda erasure, and I won't stand for it.

ROFL!  You got me Arachne; I forgot about her.  How, I can’t imagine.  Although she falls into the category of a fairy godmother type ala Sleeping Beauty, but she is indeed referred to as a witch.

And this is another glorious instance of the infantilisation of fairy tales: only evil magical women are witches - nice magical women have to be fairies. Heh, in traditional folklore, fairies are terrifying; amoral at best, actively malevolent at worst. Calling them Fair Folk is the western equivalent of calling the Furies the Kindly Ones in an attempt to deflect their wrath.

In folk tales of the British Isles, with which Rowling is likely to have been familiar growing up, witches (and wizards) are people with knowledge that the common folk don't have, and they can use that knowledge to help or harm the common folk, depending on their character and the circumstances. They are often seen doing both; after all, a witch who cannot hex cannot heal. 8)

Indeed so.  Although I would propose that what you are referring to could actually be considered a legitimate stylistic difference between American fantasy and European folk stories of the Brothers Grimm variety, which are very dark indeed.  Older American fantasy on the other hand tends to be light and frilly.

Now, I prefer the older European stories, but only some of them, and mainly, Romantic era syntheses thereof.  For example, the Ring cycle of Richard Wagner, which is much more exciting than the Niebelungenlied and the Nordic mythology it was adapted from. 

Out of curiosity, have you ever visited any of the palaces of King Ludwig II?  Schloss Neuschwanstein is fantastic, but sadly incomplete, and also overcrowded; the best part for me are the views between Neuschwanstein and the nearby castle of Hohenschwangau, which rises out of a lower peak in the beautiful Bavarian forest.  However, Schloss Linderhof is absolutely fantastic; it is the only palace King Ludwig II completed, and it is in the most charming town of Oberamgau, and there is a lovely hotel there with a splendid restaurant.

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