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Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2017, 09:16:48 AM »
What's the background here?

My understanding is that Fr Cyril had been instrumental in the initial mission in Pakistan. What a shame.
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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2017, 09:56:37 AM »
A shame, indeed. Any further explanation?

And can anyone explain why the ROCOR archdiocese of Eastern America and New York is the one who covers Pakistan?
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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2017, 10:08:46 AM »
A shame, indeed. Any further explanation?

And can anyone explain why the ROCOR archdiocese of Eastern America and New York is the one who covers Pakistan?

Because he is the First Heirarch of ROCOR.
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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2017, 11:06:23 AM »
What's the background here?

My understanding is that Fr Cyril had been instrumental in the initial mission in Pakistan. What a shame.

From the link in the OP:
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His Beatitude Metropolitan Hilarion (First Hierarch of the Russian Orthodox Outside Russia) has defrocked two Priests in Pakistan for canonical violations and pastoral disobedience.

The two Priests are Cyril Amer and Anthony Shamaoon. They are involved in several criminal activities including human trafficking.

All believers are hereby advised not to engage with Cyril Amer or Anthony Shamoon in any manner. Believers are also advised not to fund any of their activities in Pakistan or elsewhere. Please be advised that Cyril Amer and his friends are still using the name of ROCOR to raise funds for their illegal activities. All faithful are advised to exercise high caution.

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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2017, 11:23:07 AM »
Oh, I didn't see that in the initial article. Not sure if I missed it or if was added later. That's... a very serious allegation.
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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2017, 11:34:12 AM »
Oh, I didn't see that in the initial article. Not sure if I missed it or if was added later. That's... a very serious allegation.

Quite. Metropolitan Hilarion is known for tolerating a lot, most of the criticism of him that I've heard has been around his exceeding compassion clouding his judgement, not his strictness.

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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2017, 12:01:27 PM »
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The two Priests are Cyril Amer and Anthony Shamaoon. They are involved in several criminal activities including human trafficking.

Gross.  Sounds like a job for "village justice". 

Is there any indication of what, if anything, the Church is doing to help victims? 
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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2017, 06:41:45 PM »
The Mission in Pakistan is still growing, under a different priest. There was an interesting article on Pravoslavie.com just the other day.

http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/103633.htm

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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2017, 07:12:56 PM »
I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure these two left for an Old Calendarist schismatic group a few years ago. Not sure why its taken this long to defrock them. The human trafficking thing is new. I had not heard about that.
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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2017, 09:52:54 PM »
I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure these two left for an Old Calendarist schismatic group a few years ago. Not sure why its taken this long to defrock them. The human trafficking thing is new. I had not heard about that.

Evidently they were suspended some time ago.
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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2017, 08:11:19 AM »
I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure these two left for an Old Calendarist schismatic group a few years ago. Not sure why its taken this long to defrock them. The human trafficking thing is new. I had not heard about that.

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The Mission in Pakistan is still growing, under a different priest. There was an interesting article on Pravoslavie.com just the other day.

http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/103633.htm

Glory be to God! Furthemore, there is also one parish with 1 priest under EP.

Anyway, if it's true abotu these 2 defrocked priests - I mean, criminal stuff - we should pray for the flock under them, since they're not aware that priests serving to them are not actually priests and these people chose Orthodoxy in totally Muslim country, so they sacrificed a lot...
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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2017, 08:53:37 AM »
And can anyone explain why the ROCOR archdiocese of Eastern America and New York is the one who covers Pakistan?

Because he is the First Heirarch of ROCOR.

Thanks. Makes sense, I suppose. So long as it makes sense that ROCOR has a mission in Sargodha.
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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2017, 06:30:44 PM »
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The two Priests are Cyril Amer and Anthony Shamaoon. They are involved in several criminal activities including human trafficking.

Gross.  Sounds like a job for "village justice". 


Sounds about right.

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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2017, 06:42:46 PM »
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The two Priests are Cyril Amer and Anthony Shamaoon. They are involved in several criminal activities including human trafficking.

Gross.  Sounds like a job for "village justice". 


Sounds about right.

Assuming it's not that they helped some mother escape the U.S. with her children because the courts wouldn't accept that the father was an abuser. Modern legal terms can be sophistical.
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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2017, 07:11:30 PM »
We also have a Pakistani priest and mission under the Coptic Orthodox Church guided by HG Bishop Suriel of Melbourne.
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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2017, 10:35:32 PM »
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The two Priests are Cyril Amer and Anthony Shamaoon. They are involved in several criminal activities including human trafficking.

Gross.  Sounds like a job for "village justice". 


Sounds about right.

Assuming it's not that they helped some mother escape the U.S. with her children because the courts wouldn't accept that the father was an abuser. Modern legal terms can be sophistical.

I agree.

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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2017, 10:45:44 PM »
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The two Priests are Cyril Amer and Anthony Shamaoon. They are involved in several criminal activities including human trafficking.

Gross.  Sounds like a job for "village justice". 


Sounds about right.

Assuming it's not that they helped some mother escape the U.S. with her children because the courts wouldn't accept that the father was an abuser. Modern legal terms can be sophistical.

I agree.

Friends of my family's who are missionaries in Honduras underwent something of the sort when they accepted a refugee and her child from an American pastor they knew. In that case, the mother was running from a court decision that took custody from her for having violated a previous custody agreement; but she violated the previous agreement because she had decided the child shouldn't see the other legal parent because she was homosexual. I'm not saying I agree with what she did, or what the pastor did, or what our friends in Honduras did -- however, as wrong as their choices may have been, to see them described in the American newsmedia over and over as an international human trafficking ring was unsettling.
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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2017, 12:20:33 PM »
We also have a Pakistani priest and mission under the Coptic Orthodox Church guided by HG Bishop Suriel of Melbourne.
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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2017, 11:42:50 AM »
According to this, the community has been received into some Old Believers group (which one, I have no idea):

http://chelorg.com/2017/07/10/residents-of-pakistan-are-transferred-to-the-russian-old-believers/
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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2017, 12:47:34 PM »
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The two Priests are Cyril Amer and Anthony Shamaoon. They are involved in several criminal activities including human trafficking.

Gross.  Sounds like a job for "village justice". 


Sounds about right.

Assuming it's not that they helped some mother escape the U.S. with her children because the courts wouldn't accept that the father was an abuser. Modern legal terms can be sophistical.

I agree.
And if the father wasn't an abuser......?
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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2017, 12:32:07 AM »
According to this, the community has been received into some Old Believers group (which one, I have no idea):

http://chelorg.com/2017/07/10/residents-of-pakistan-are-transferred-to-the-russian-old-believers/

The article being quoted in the one above is found here, on the website of the Russian Orthodox Old-Rite Church under Metropolitan Korniliy (Titov). Fr. Cyril had evidently been received by them sometimes in the spring, and the Facebook page for his group invokes the Metropolitan aplenty. Their website is only partially converted to their new allegiances but he is likewise listed on their clergy page.
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Re: Metropolitan Hilarion of ROCOR Defrocks Two Pakistani Priests
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2017, 03:55:42 AM »
According to this, the community has been received into some Old Believers group (which one, I have no idea):

http://chelorg.com/2017/07/10/residents-of-pakistan-are-transferred-to-the-russian-old-believers/

This seems unsurprising, but the Old Believers will probably suffer for it...  Pray for that church.
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