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Liturgy differences after Pascha
« on: May 08, 2017, 02:53:29 PM »
I was getting a bit lost as to what should be sung where during the Liturgy yesterday, e.g "Christ is risen from the dead" was sung in various places that I wasn't expecting it, we sang "The Angel Cried" instead of "It is very meet to bless thee", but we didn't sing the Beatitudes. Does anyone know of an online guide as to how the liturgy works during this season? Also, do the changes continue until Ascension or until Pentecost?

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Re: Liturgy differences after Pascha
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2017, 03:12:05 PM »
Of course, it varies a bit from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and even from parish to parish. The changes are until the Ascension, but from the Ascension to Pentecost there still some changes, e.g still neither the Heavenly King nor We have seen the truly Light are chanted.

Generally speaking, I think these ones are applicable for every EO jurisdiction:
1. Christ is risen until Ascension in the beginning of the Liturgy and instead of We have seen the truly Light and Heavenly King ; from Ascension instead of We have seen the truly Light Ascension troparion is chanted
2. The Angel cried until Ascension instead of It is truly meet; from Ascension its own anti-axion instead of It is truly meet
3. No kneeling until Vespers of Pentecost Sunday
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Re: Liturgy differences after Pascha
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2017, 04:13:12 PM »
Of course, it varies a bit from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and even from parish to parish. The changes are until the Ascension, but from the Ascension to Pentecost there still some changes, e.g still neither the Heavenly King nor We have seen the truly Light are chanted.

Generally speaking, I think these ones are applicable for every EO jurisdiction:
1. Christ is risen until Ascension in the beginning of the Liturgy and instead of We have seen the truly Light and Heavenly King ; from Ascension instead of We have seen the truly Light Ascension troparion is chanted
2. The Angel cried until Ascension instead of It is truly meet; from Ascension its own anti-axion instead of It is truly meet
3. No kneeling until Vespers of Pentecost Sunday

The use of Paschal antiphons isn't universal?
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Re: Liturgy differences after Pascha
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2017, 05:31:50 PM »
Of course, it varies a bit from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and even from parish to parish. The changes are until the Ascension, but from the Ascension to Pentecost there still some changes, e.g still neither the Heavenly King nor We have seen the truly Light are chanted.

Generally speaking, I think these ones are applicable for every EO jurisdiction:
1. Christ is risen until Ascension in the beginning of the Liturgy and instead of We have seen the truly Light and Heavenly King ; from Ascension instead of We have seen the truly Light Ascension troparion is chanted
2. The Angel cried until Ascension instead of It is truly meet; from Ascension its own anti-axion instead of It is truly meet
3. No kneeling until Vespers of Pentecost Sunday

The use of Paschal antiphons isn't universal?

Only during Paschal Week.
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Re: Liturgy differences after Pascha
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2017, 12:39:50 AM »
Of course, it varies a bit from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and even from parish to parish. The changes are until the Ascension, but from the Ascension to Pentecost there still some changes, e.g still neither the Heavenly King nor We have seen the truly Light are chanted.

Generally speaking, I think these ones are applicable for every EO jurisdiction:
1. Christ is risen until Ascension in the beginning of the Liturgy and instead of We have seen the truly Light and Heavenly King ; from Ascension instead of We have seen the truly Light Ascension troparion is chanted
2. The Angel cried until Ascension instead of It is truly meet; from Ascension its own anti-axion instead of It is truly meet
3. No kneeling until Vespers of Pentecost Sunday

The use of Paschal antiphons isn't universal?

Only during Paschal Week.
We're still using them, is this common to some particular tradition?

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Re: Liturgy differences after Pascha
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2017, 04:29:54 AM »
Of course, it varies a bit from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and even from parish to parish. The changes are until the Ascension, but from the Ascension to Pentecost there still some changes, e.g still neither the Heavenly King nor We have seen the truly Light are chanted.

Generally speaking, I think these ones are applicable for every EO jurisdiction:
1. Christ is risen until Ascension in the beginning of the Liturgy and instead of We have seen the truly Light and Heavenly King ; from Ascension instead of We have seen the truly Light Ascension troparion is chanted
2. The Angel cried until Ascension instead of It is truly meet; from Ascension its own anti-axion instead of It is truly meet
3. No kneeling until Vespers of Pentecost Sunday

The use of Paschal antiphons isn't universal?

Only during Paschal Week.
We're still using them, is this common to some particular tradition?



Well, many traditions (Greeks, Arabs, Lemkos - including those ones in the Polish Church, probably Albanians etc.) use these antiphons, excluding the third one, on most of the Sundays during the liturgical year. So, these traditions use these antiphons on Sundays of the Paschal period too. I've noticed in my Antiochian Arabic app that Sundays of the Paschal periods have these two antiphons as usual plus the third Paschal antiphon.


Edit: in Poland, excluding Lemkos' parishes, on the Sundays after Pascha (well, at my parish after the Antipascha Sunday, since in our practice, as it's the 2nd parishional feast, the Liturgy is complety according to the Paschal rubrics) we sing psalm 102 and Beautidues; in monasteries, e.g Holy Mount Grabarka, to the Beautidues there are added special troparions of the particular Sundays that are prescribed in the Pentecostarion.
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Re: Liturgy differences after Pascha
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2017, 04:44:30 PM »
Of course, it varies a bit from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and even from parish to parish. The changes are until the Ascension, but from the Ascension to Pentecost there still some changes, e.g still neither the Heavenly King nor We have seen the truly Light are chanted.

Generally speaking, I think these ones are applicable for every EO jurisdiction:
1. Christ is risen until Ascension in the beginning of the Liturgy and instead of We have seen the truly Light and Heavenly King ; from Ascension instead of We have seen the truly Light Ascension troparion is chanted
2. The Angel cried until Ascension instead of It is truly meet; from Ascension its own anti-axion instead of It is truly meet
3. No kneeling until Vespers of Pentecost Sunday
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Re: Liturgy differences after Pascha
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2017, 04:55:22 PM »
Edit: in Poland, excluding Lemkos' parishes, on the Sundays after Pascha (well, at my parish after the Antipascha Sunday, since in our practice, as it's the 2nd parishional feast, the Liturgy is complety according to the Paschal rubrics) we sing psalm 102 and Beautidues

As I have understood it, based on fairly cursory reading, this is the practice of the Sabbaite typikon that predominates in Russia, Ukraine, and some other Slavic churches, as well as most monasteries. I believe Lemkos like other Rusyns follow the general practice codified by St Peter Mogila. The Greek practice, codified in the Violakes typikon, is similar.

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