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Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019
« on: April 17, 2017, 07:00:50 PM »
Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019

The Roman Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh plans to merge parishes struggling with declining attendance and finances starting in 2019, the diocese said Friday...

Eighty-six diocesan priests are working past the retirement age of 70 or are planning to retire within five years, and the diocese anticipates the total number of priests serving the region will dip from 211 to 112 by 2025...

Between 1980 and 2015, the number of active Catholics in the Pittsburgh diocese declined by 30 percent. Since 2000, weekly mass attendance has dropped by 40 percent and K-8 Catholic school enrollment by 50 percent...
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Re: Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2017, 07:50:32 PM »
Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019

The Roman Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh plans to merge parishes struggling with declining attendance and finances starting in 2019, the diocese said Friday...

Eighty-six diocesan priests are working past the retirement age of 70 or are planning to retire within five years, and the diocese anticipates the total number of priests serving the region will dip from 211 to 112 by 2025...

Between 1980 and 2015, the number of active Catholics in the Pittsburgh diocese declined by 30 percent. Since 2000, weekly mass attendance has dropped by 40 percent and K-8 Catholic school enrollment by 50 percent...

So much for the Francis effect.   :)
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Re: Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2017, 08:29:55 PM »
Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019

The Roman Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh plans to merge parishes struggling with declining attendance and finances starting in 2019, the diocese said Friday...

Eighty-six diocesan priests are working past the retirement age of 70 or are planning to retire within five years, and the diocese anticipates the total number of priests serving the region will dip from 211 to 112 by 2025...

Between 1980 and 2015, the number of active Catholics in the Pittsburgh diocese declined by 30 percent. Since 2000, weekly mass attendance has dropped by 40 percent and K-8 Catholic school enrollment by 50 percent...

So much for the Francis effect.   :)
It apparently only works in the South. The Raleigh diocese is finishing a new cathedral, started what might be the world's first St. Theresa of Calcutta parish, and is ordaining priests somewhat regularly.
Or, maybe everyone from Pittsburgh is moving here? It's Pittsburgh, after all (ducking...!)
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Re: Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2017, 08:53:37 PM »
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Re: Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2017, 10:40:28 PM »
The Raleigh diocese is finishing a new cathedral, started what might be the world's first St. Theresa of Calcutta parish

There've been churches named for her in PA and NJ for years.
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Re: Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2017, 10:50:11 PM »
Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019

The Roman Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh plans to merge parishes struggling with declining attendance and finances starting in 2019, the diocese said Friday...

Eighty-six diocesan priests are working past the retirement age of 70 or are planning to retire within five years, and the diocese anticipates the total number of priests serving the region will dip from 211 to 112 by 2025...

Between 1980 and 2015, the number of active Catholics in the Pittsburgh diocese declined by 30 percent. Since 2000, weekly mass attendance has dropped by 40 percent and K-8 Catholic school enrollment by 50 percent...

So much for the Francis effect.   :)
And the Pope Benedict effect, and Pope St John Paul II effect.  The numbers have been in decline a long time.
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Re: Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2017, 12:12:01 AM »
The Raleigh diocese is finishing a new cathedral, started what might be the world's first St. Theresa of Calcutta parish

There've been churches named for her in PA and NJ for years.
I thought it was specifically as St. but I probably remembered it wrong  ::)
never mind
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2017, 08:50:30 AM »
The Raleigh diocese is finishing a new cathedral, started what might be the world's first St. Theresa of Calcutta parish

There've been churches named for her in PA and NJ for years.
I thought it was specifically as St. but I probably remembered it wrong  ::)
never mind

I know that the church in NJ was "Blessed" or something for a long time, but as soon as the canonization was announced, they had the signs with "Saint" on them ready to go the next day!  ;D
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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2017, 02:13:42 AM »
Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019

The Roman Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh plans to merge parishes struggling with declining attendance and finances starting in 2019, the diocese said Friday...

Eighty-six diocesan priests are working past the retirement age of 70 or are planning to retire within five years, and the diocese anticipates the total number of priests serving the region will dip from 211 to 112 by 2025...

Between 1980 and 2015, the number of active Catholics in the Pittsburgh diocese declined by 30 percent. Since 2000, weekly mass attendance has dropped by 40 percent and K-8 Catholic school enrollment by 50 percent...

So much for the Francis effect.   :)
And the Pope Benedict effect, and Pope St John Paul II effect.  The numbers have been in decline a long time.

That's true, even before that. It started to really decline in the 1950s in the US. Vatican II was just gasoline on the decline fire.   And I think different parts of the country are affected differently.  Same with the world really.  Look at Africa or Asia, then at the US, Europe, South America.   And in parts of the US, Catholicism is doing very well, the South for example.  But the Northeast and Rust Belt are in trouble.  The West Coast ain't doing so great either.  The RCC relies to a degree on Hispanics, but will they stay over time, as younger generations assimilate?  In South America, they go Protestant in pretty large numbers.  Or secular.  My point about Francis is that I don't see any energy or focus to understand/stop this (besides AL, more gasoline) - the so-called new Evangelization is stalled - the places where the Church is growing are places that are more traditional, orthodox in terms of the faith, not Francis-oriented.  The long term trends seem pretty Pittsburgh.  I could be wrong.  Besides, this is true of most Christian denominations.  I am not saying the Protestants or Orthodox are in a better situation necessarily.
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Re: Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2017, 05:26:42 PM »
Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019

The Roman Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh plans to merge parishes struggling with declining attendance and finances starting in 2019, the diocese said Friday...

Eighty-six diocesan priests are working past the retirement age of 70 or are planning to retire within five years, and the diocese anticipates the total number of priests serving the region will dip from 211 to 112 by 2025...

Between 1980 and 2015, the number of active Catholics in the Pittsburgh diocese declined by 30 percent. Since 2000, weekly mass attendance has dropped by 40 percent and K-8 Catholic school enrollment by 50 percent...

Philly schools and churches are suffering through the same closings.... I think its mainly an inner city problem

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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2017, 07:04:35 PM »
Demographic shift.
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Re: Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2017, 10:16:19 PM »
Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019

The Roman Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh plans to merge parishes struggling with declining attendance and finances starting in 2019, the diocese said Friday...

Eighty-six diocesan priests are working past the retirement age of 70 or are planning to retire within five years, and the diocese anticipates the total number of priests serving the region will dip from 211 to 112 by 2025...

Between 1980 and 2015, the number of active Catholics in the Pittsburgh diocese declined by 30 percent. Since 2000, weekly mass attendance has dropped by 40 percent and K-8 Catholic school enrollment by 50 percent...

So much for the Francis effect.   :)
And the Pope Benedict effect, and Pope St John Paul II effect.  The numbers have been in decline a long time.

Yep. It's called the Vatican II effect.
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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2017, 10:54:50 PM »
Yep. It's called the Vatican II effect.

It seems that there are many reasons for the deterioration, and these are problems which the Orthodox in the area are also struggling with. Though based on articles I've seen, for example on the GOA website, the problems aren't isolated to the rust belt.
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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2017, 01:51:50 AM »
So much for the Francis effect.   :)
Yep. It's called the Vatican II effect.

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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2017, 01:52:59 PM »
Yep. It's called the Vatican II effect.

It seems that there are many reasons for the deterioration, and these are problems which the Orthodox in the area are also struggling with. Though based on articles I've seen, for example on the GOA website, the problems aren't isolated to the rust belt.

Agreed.  The larger issue is increasing secularism, 'post-Christian' society - all of us in the West live in it.  Christians of all denominations face common struggles on a greater scale beyond the serious theological differences that divide us.

It is a fact that the Rust Belt, along with the Northeast, used to be Catholic strongholds - I mean up to the mid-20th century.  Vatican II, really the spirit of Vatican II, which is what it was on the ground, had a huge impact in these regions.  Changes to the liturgy.  Shift of focus away from 'traditional' Catholicism.  Social justice emphasized; moral doctrine downplayed, neglected, revised, updated.  Clergy, bishops, even laity, who opposed the new trends ostracized.  Liberals packing Church leadership roles, Church institutions, schools, higher education.  This part of the country has been hit about the hardest for the longest time.  Pew clearing.  (scandals, anyone?)

You do also see this in the Protestants:  the emergence of so-called 'non-denominational' Evangelicalism replacing the older more traditional, shall we say 'Calvinist leaning'/fundamentalist' Evangelicalism, which was quite strong up to maybe the 1980s.  I know little about this in the Orthodox Church and various jurisdictions, but my guess is, again, the Northeast/parts of Rust Belt would be a door to modernity, 'openness'.  I don't see how Orthodoxy can resist it completely.  I mean look at what Rod Dreher is saying.  (I am personally looking to Orthodoxy right now as a potentially greener pasture than Catholicism in this regard (this is only one reason; it is also spiritual, change of heart) but my eyes are open.  I think you notice this modernizing, pew clearing trend more in the Catholics and Protestants in the West because of their size relative to Orthodoxy.  The sheer number of people in these Churches creates a sort of natural vulnerability/receptivity to a wide variety of different influences.

In a larger sense, the question for all Christians is what to do about this post-Christian culture.  Do we pull out or stay in, to evangelize or not to evangelize.  Papa Francis is not going be much help I fear; but he is not a bad man.  I don't oppose everything he does by any means.  I'll take the RCC over a lot of what is out there, even in its current dilapidated state.  I still think it is the original, valid Church - as is the Orthodox (please let's not go there - off topic anyway).

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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2017, 04:05:32 PM »
Too much defeatism.
As if the church did not see through way bigger crises before: Persecution to the extent of attempted extinction, arianism, reformation - to name but a few.
Each generation is convinced that the challenges it is facing are unprecedented and things are worse than they ever were. Ridiculous. If it was possible, ask a Christian in 3rd century Rome about hardships. Ask the Egyptian Copts today. Merging dioceses is not the end of the world. It's a sign of decline rather than growth, sure. But do not panic for no good reason and blame Vatican II once more. I am not a big fan either, but to explain a very complex thing with many contributing factors-  which the evaporation of faith in the western hemisphere is - only through it is just plain wrong.
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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2017, 04:46:35 PM »
I think there is something almost a little tragic about what Francis is up to - trying to push through CDR (AL), mercy mercy mercy - push back the 'rigid' traditionalists; heal the sick, poor, broken-hearted.  There are more days I would care to admit when I agree with him, in intention for sure.  I personally could not care less about CDR in its official very limited set of applications.  I find self-proclaimed traditionalists (not all) can be hair-raisingly cold and rigid - usually for reasons that have nothing to do with actually being a Christian in any meaningful way - i.e., Pharisee.  (why is that observation not 'judgmental'? as an aside - I just said it, but I think it lacks charity - why is ok when the Pope says it, and/or 'liberals') 

For example, everything Francis wants would be 'ok' under Orthodoxy, as I see it.  He could actually be trying to bring about positive change and progress in the Roman Catholic Church.  The tragic part is...this is NOT what will happen with his changes on the ground, in the US, Europe, South America, anywhere really.  The Cardinal Kaspers / Jesuits, etc., of the world will see to that.  What Francis wants and what the Church will get are very different things.  We will get more 'spirit' of Francis, than real Francis.  Because of the already very entrenched liberal, modern views within the Church (bishops/clergy/laity), the changes from Francis will just serve to further fan these flames:  CDR essentially relegates sin to conscience.  This will flourish, with official sanction - as 'mercy' and 'love'.  The new kinder, gentler RCC.  There is no functioning authentic backbone of Catholic doctrine in so much of the Church is so many many places. We will further undermine doctrine and embolden, bless even, liberal, secularizing forces at all levels in the Church.   Francis thinks he is 'medicine' - he is bleeding us, when we were already sick, weak and disoriented, again, within the institution of the Church itself.


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Re: Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2017, 05:23:27 PM »
Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019

The Roman Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh plans to merge parishes struggling with declining attendance and finances starting in 2019, the diocese said Friday...

Eighty-six diocesan priests are working past the retirement age of 70 or are planning to retire within five years, and the diocese anticipates the total number of priests serving the region will dip from 211 to 112 by 2025...

Between 1980 and 2015, the number of active Catholics in the Pittsburgh diocese declined by 30 percent. Since 2000, weekly mass attendance has dropped by 40 percent and K-8 Catholic school enrollment by 50 percent...

Is this new for Pittsburgh?  Ohio and Michigan have been doing this since the late 90's.  Lots of schools and smaller Diocese have closed, including some sentimental favorites of mine.  Still; I'm surprised this would be new for Pittsburgh if it's old hat for Toledo, Cleveland, and Detroit.
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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2017, 05:53:31 PM »
Is this new for Pittsburgh?  Ohio and Michigan have been doing this since the late 90's.  Lots of schools and smaller Diocese have closed, including some sentimental favorites of mine.  Still; I'm surprised this would be new for Pittsburgh if it's old hat for Toledo, Cleveland, and Detroit.

Nah, I grew up in the diocese next door (Altoona-Johnstown), but so far as I can tell it's been happening in both for a while. However, it seems like the slow decline year-over-year, with sporadic mergers when necessary, are about to give way to a huge change (major plans for merging, the expectation that half the priests currently serving will be gone within 8 years, etc.)
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Re: Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2017, 06:13:16 PM »
Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019

The Roman Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh plans to merge parishes struggling with declining attendance and finances starting in 2019, the diocese said Friday...

Eighty-six diocesan priests are working past the retirement age of 70 or are planning to retire within five years, and the diocese anticipates the total number of priests serving the region will dip from 211 to 112 by 2025...

Between 1980 and 2015, the number of active Catholics in the Pittsburgh diocese declined by 30 percent. Since 2000, weekly mass attendance has dropped by 40 percent and K-8 Catholic school enrollment by 50 percent...

Is this new for Pittsburgh?  Ohio and Michigan have been doing this since the late 90's.  Lots of schools and smaller Diocese have closed, including some sentimental favorites of mine.  Still; I'm surprised this would be new for Pittsburgh if it's old hat for Toledo, Cleveland, and Detroit.
The Archdiocese of Detroit went through a major wave of parish consolidations in 1989, and another one about 5-10 years ago. Boston and Chicago did on roughly the same timeline, too. This is a pretty normal occurrence in big cities with declining or changing demographics, and the Catholics have pretty set procedures for how it happens. Parishes are told they're being merged, buildings are deconsecrated and sold, everything that can be moved and repurposed gets sent somewhere else, etc. Most big dioceses have churches and/or warehouses used to store surplus fixtures and the like. It's all pretty swift, bureaucratic, and often quite cold for the old folks and lifetime members who don't want theirs to be the parish being closed.

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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2017, 06:21:46 PM »
Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019

The Roman Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh plans to merge parishes struggling with declining attendance and finances starting in 2019, the diocese said Friday...

Eighty-six diocesan priests are working past the retirement age of 70 or are planning to retire within five years, and the diocese anticipates the total number of priests serving the region will dip from 211 to 112 by 2025...

Between 1980 and 2015, the number of active Catholics in the Pittsburgh diocese declined by 30 percent. Since 2000, weekly mass attendance has dropped by 40 percent and K-8 Catholic school enrollment by 50 percent...

Is this new for Pittsburgh?  Ohio and Michigan have been doing this since the late 90's.  Lots of schools and smaller Diocese have closed, including some sentimental favorites of mine.  Still; I'm surprised this would be new for Pittsburgh if it's old hat for Toledo, Cleveland, and Detroit.
The Archdiocese of Detroit went through a major wave of parish consolidations in 1989, and another one about 5-10 years ago. Boston and Chicago did on roughly the same timeline, too. This is a pretty normal occurrence in big cities with declining or changing demographics, and the Catholics have pretty set procedures for how it happens. Parishes are told they're being merged, buildings are deconsecrated and sold, everything that can be moved and repurposed gets sent somewhere else, etc. Most big dioceses have churches and/or warehouses used to store surplus fixtures and the like. It's all pretty swift, bureaucratic, and often quite cold for the old folks and lifetime members who don't want theirs to be the parish being closed.

Yeah, I've seen some schools close too.  It's very sad.  But we live in times where younger generations en mass in America aren't really too interested in what's being offered.  I don't know what else can be done when you have masses of people dropping out of something like that. 

That said, I am used to seeing Orthodox Parishes stay open well past their glory days.  In Toledo there are 2 Antiochian Churches, there really should probably only be one anymore (frankly, there should have only been one to begin with... but that's a different story).  Maybe the Orthodox are a naturally more stubborn people.  Certainly, I think we are naturally a lot less bureaucratic than the Catholics!

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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2017, 11:34:11 AM »
While it might be nice to tie this to VII ...it appears to be general...and Orthodoxy is not immune:

http://ocl.org/pew-study-reveals-critical-decline-in-orthodox-religious-membership/

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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2018, 10:43:10 PM »
Pittsburgh Diocese plan makes 57 parishes out of 188

Roughly 80 percent of the Diocese of Pittsburgh's 200 priests will be assigned to different churches starting in October, part of the six-county dioceses's biggest reorganization in nearly three decades. Bishop David Zubik announced the diocesan-wide clergy reassignments on Saturday as he unveiled the next phase of a plan to merge 188 individual parishes into 57 final multi-church groupings--a change from 48 groupings proposed last year.

Each grouping will have two to five years to submit their merger plan to the bishop, some of which eventually will involve church building closures. No church closures have been determined yet, and Zubik gave no estimate on how many of the six-county diocese's roughly 225 church buildings may have to close. More than half of parishes have been losing money for years...

Since 2000, Mass attendance has plummeted by more than 40 percent and sacramental participation has dropped by 50 percent, the diocese says. The diocese serves about 630,000 Catholics in Allegheny, Beaver, Butler, Greene, Lawrence and Washington counties. The diocese estimates that its roughly 200 priests will dwindle to just 112 by 2025...
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Re: Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2018, 11:03:29 PM »
Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019

The Roman Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh plans to merge parishes struggling with declining attendance and finances starting in 2019, the diocese said Friday...

Eighty-six diocesan priests are working past the retirement age of 70 or are planning to retire within five years, and the diocese anticipates the total number of priests serving the region will dip from 211 to 112 by 2025...

Between 1980 and 2015, the number of active Catholics in the Pittsburgh diocese declined by 30 percent. Since 2000, weekly mass attendance has dropped by 40 percent and K-8 Catholic school enrollment by 50 percent...

So much for the Francis effect.   :)

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« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2018, 11:22:42 AM »
“Pope” Francis. Should we start saying “Prophet” Muhammed too?

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« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2018, 02:55:00 AM »
Agreed.  The larger issue is increasing secularism, 'post-Christian' society - all of us in the West live in it.  Christians of all denominations face common struggles on a greater scale beyond the serious theological differences that divide us...
Exactly!  The tragic effects are easier to spot in the Roman Catholic Church because it's the largest Christian Church in the US and in the world, but no Church should foolishly feel comfortable about its own situation, for the worldly forces that cause this are Church blind, even if the dynamics of each Church lead to results particular to it.
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Re: Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2018, 05:34:55 PM »
Pittsburgh diocese invites young Catholics, 'nones' back to church

Taco Tuesdays at Holy Trinity in Robinson. Mass meetups during work-week lunch breaks in Downtown Pittsburgh. Pub-style trivia nights at Saints John and Paul in the North Hills, where a $5 ticket gets you free grub, drinks and 10 rounds of team trivia culminating in a $200 grand prize. As the Roman Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh undergoes its biggest restructuring in three decades, religious leaders are pondering: How do we get 20- and 30-somethings back into the church?

The population of 20- to 30-year-olds spans more than a half-million people across the diocese's six-county territory, about 145,000 of whom identify as Catholic, diocesan and census data show. “That might be a Christmas and Easter-goer. That might be someone who goes to Mass once or twice a month, and out of that, there are 40,000 who go to Mass regularly, meaning once a week,” said Jacob Williamson, 30, hired last year by the diocese to be director for young adult outreach, a new position. “We need to bring all these people in their 20s and 30s into a living relationship with Jesus Christ.”...
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« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2018, 05:51:36 PM »
Pittsburgh diocese invites young Catholics, 'nones' back to church

Taco Tuesdays at Holy Trinity in Robinson. Mass meetups during work-week lunch breaks in Downtown Pittsburgh. Pub-style trivia nights at Saints John and Paul in the North Hills, where a $5 ticket gets you free grub, drinks and 10 rounds of team trivia culminating in a $200 grand prize. As the Roman Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh undergoes its biggest restructuring in three decades, religious leaders are pondering: How do we get 20- and 30-somethings back into the church?

The population of 20- to 30-year-olds spans more than a half-million people across the diocese's six-county territory, about 145,000 of whom identify as Catholic, diocesan and census data show. “That might be a Christmas and Easter-goer. That might be someone who goes to Mass once or twice a month, and out of that, there are 40,000 who go to Mass regularly, meaning once a week,” said Jacob Williamson, 30, hired last year by the diocese to be director for young adult outreach, a new position. “We need to bring all these people in their 20s and 30s into a living relationship with Jesus Christ.”...

Ehhhhh... I'm glad they want to reach out, but this feels a little too "seeker sensitive" for my tastes. Churches trying to become entertainment venues never seems to work out very well.

Think about it this way, do they really want the kind of person who would come for bar trivia, but not if it were some kind of volunteer community service thing? Maybe that's callous of me, though...
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Re: Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2018, 02:50:43 AM »
Hello,

Vatican II is the start of the problems, they would distroy the Mass and would replace it with a form of worship that would push out large amount of Roman Catholic from what they have known for countless generation before them. I should know I use to be one of them. You would know me as a Traditionalists Catholic before my conversation to the Russian Orthodox Church ROCOR parish. The Tridentine Mass was what made me Roman Catholic from the beginning, the Novus Ordo Mass effect my faith very deeply and was my main reason for my falling away from the Catholic Church. I left the Catholic Church back in 1973 and drifted for a very long time. In 1993 I joined a Latin Mass community in Holy Trinity German Catholic Church in Boston, Massachusetts I was there for three years the only reason I left that Church was because of Novus Ordo Nun insulted me when she found out to a member of the Latin Mass community after I walked into the Novus Ordo Church down the street from the Catholic Church I was attending on a regular basis.

I've had to forgive the Catholic Church for the pain caused me in my earlier life as a young Catholic kid.

They distroy their own Church and they are unable or unwilling to see their own mistake and correct themselves at this point. I wrote this for my brother's and sister's who left the Catholic Church to let them know that they are not alone in how they feel about what happened to them.

I feel I've said my peace of mind.

God bless you my brothers and sisters....


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Re: Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese mergers to start in 2019
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2018, 02:53:49 AM »
Their is the pain that one can carry for a very long time in one life..I hope what I said rings a bell to many of my brother's and sister's who left like me...