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Offline EkhristosAnesti

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The Beginnings of Orthodoxy
« on: September 12, 2005, 09:07:08 PM »
Last weeks’ lecture concerned the topic, “Iranaeus, proto-catholic tradition and the idea of heresy.” My lecturer advocated the theory proposed by the liberal scholarship of Koester and Walter Bauer, which proposes that what eventually came to be known as “orthodox” tradition, was in its earliest stages (i.e. up until the early second century) simply one of many “competing forms” of Christianity - no stronger or universal than any of the “other competing forms” of Christianity - and which eventually “won out” because of historical and political reasons. The question thus becomes: could, what we now identify as Orthodoxy, in its earliest stages (i.e. up until the early second century) have claimed a more superior criteria than the competing heresies, with respect to its legitimacy? My lecturer is so one-sided in his theories and his references to sources, so I would appreciate any arguments, comments, links, articles, and book references that will allow me to be thoroughly acquainted with the contra-Bauer-Koester perspective.

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Re: The Beginnings of Orthodoxy
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2005, 09:13:45 PM »
what eventually came to be known as “orthodox” tradition, was in its earliest stages (i.e. up until the early second century) simply one of many “competing forms” of Christianity - no stronger or universal than any of the “other competing forms” of Christianity - and which eventually “won out” because of historical and political reasons.

This is exactly what the book "The Closing of the Western Mind" says. Pick up a copy and refer to the large number of citations he uses to back up his thesis.
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Re: The Beginnings of Orthodoxy
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2005, 09:16:34 PM »
Exactly the conclusion reached in the book "The Closing of the Western Mind"

Fr John Behr (PhD, Oxford) points out that while Bauer's thesis of multiple, competing forms of Christianity is true, one form was nevertheless always the correct one--the one that reflected on Christ crucified.  This form won out DESPITE power and influence, because it was NOT the majority position.  This is found in his excellent book "Way to Nicaea" by SVS Press.

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Re: The Beginnings of Orthodoxy
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2005, 07:02:46 AM »
Thanks for the book recommendation Anastasios; I'll be sure to check it out, and shall revisit this thread later with any thoughts and queries I may have on this issue.

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