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Greetings
« on: March 01, 2017, 01:46:45 PM »
I wasn't sure where was the best thread to launch my introductory post so moderators please feel free to move this wherever you like.

My purpose here is to engage with other Orthodox Christians, to take part in discussion as well as for myself at least, to pose questions.

To provide a quick rundown of myself; I am a simple layman who was born into the Orthodox Church. In my youth I experimented with different forms of spiritualism while drifting away from my Christian roots. What brought me back was Christian orthodox mysticism, something that was never taught to me before, ever. I feel while growing up in the Church, the faith itself wasn't taught correctly, almost as if my "teachers" would just assume we would/should all follow. For lack of a better description, I felt as if I was expected to blindly follow without really understanding what I'm following. Being a critical thinker myself and one who seeks to understand everything I set my mind to begin a "journey" of my own, experimenting with meditation and the occult in general. This was a dark time, in actuality I became a nihilist. I "believed" in everything yet nothing. I questioned the authenticity of the Bible and like many "new-agers" saw Far-east religions as somewhat appealing. I never doubted the existence of Christ as a being, just the story itself and His significance. Being in this dark place I continued to search, in fact I never stopped looking even if I was temporarily stuck on a certain teaching, eventually I did an entire circle back to my roots. This happened ONLY because I began researching Christian Orthodoxy as a complete foreigner (even though I was born into it and knew our Traditions from a very young age), I read the history for the FIRST time (from a non-theological perspective) and most importantly I read about our mysticism. What I once thought to be only unique to eastern-religions and fringe occultists, was clear as day a deep part of Christian Orthodox Tradition. When I use the term "mysticism" I guess the translation would be "Our mysteries". This is what awoke me, and brought me back to my home. I've searched and searched, drifted so far away from my roots, seeking truth and understanding only to realize that our Church Fathers have always had the answers. It was a truly beautiful realization.




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Re: Greetings
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2017, 02:05:54 PM »
I have been browsing this site for some time when seeking a certain perspective on a certain issue and I must say I am impressed. There is great content here, many great posters and brilliant insights. But, being a forum it's a little bit like anarchy, you'll find a bit of everything lol.




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Re: Greetings
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2017, 02:17:08 PM »
I have been browsing this site for some time when seeking a certain perspective on a certain issue and I must say I am impressed. There is great content here, many great posters and brilliant insights. But, being a forum it's a little bit like anarchy, you'll find a bit of everything lol.

Ain't that the truth. 

Welcome!  :)
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Re: Greetings
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2017, 02:49:26 PM »
Welcome, and great testimony

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Re: Greetings
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2017, 03:02:00 PM »
Don't know what you got till (a good while after) it's gone, and all that. ;) Welcome aboard!
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Re: Greetings
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2017, 07:32:57 PM »
Death to the world dodos.

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Re: Greetings
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2017, 07:44:44 PM »
Once the ex-OCnetter Fabio Leite said something like: there's more mysticism in an old lady piously cleaning the parish's bathroom than in any Guénon reader.
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"May the Lord our God remember in His kingdom all Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, which heralds the Word of Truth and fearlessly offers and distributes the Holy Oblation despite human deficiencies and persecutions moved by the powers of this world, in all time and unto the ages of ages."

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Re: Greetings
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2017, 08:10:03 PM »
Salutations!

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Re: Greetings
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2017, 12:48:59 AM »
Thank you all.

Once the ex-OCnetter Fabio Leite said something like: there's more mysticism in an old lady piously cleaning the parish's bathroom than in any Guénon reader.

Not sure how to understand that quote, maybe it's because I've enjoyed Guénon  ;D

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Re: Greetings
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2017, 12:50:01 AM »
Don't know what you got till (a good while after) it's gone, and all that. ;) Welcome aboard!

Absolutely. Sometimes we need to step out of our home to really understand and appreciate what we have.

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Re: Greetings
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2017, 01:08:46 PM »
Once the ex-OCnetter Fabio Leite said something like: there's more mysticism in an old lady piously cleaning the parish's bathroom than in any Guénon reader.
Not sure how to understand that quote, maybe it's because I've enjoyed Guénon  ;D
He's interesting  ;)  but he won't lead you through a mystical experience like pious life in Orthodoxy will.
"May the Lord our God remember in His kingdom all Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, which heralds the Word of Truth and fearlessly offers and distributes the Holy Oblation despite human deficiencies and persecutions moved by the powers of this world, in all time and unto the ages of ages."

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Re: Greetings
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2017, 01:26:37 PM »
Once the ex-OCnetter Fabio Leite said something like: there's more mysticism in an old lady piously cleaning the parish's bathroom than in any Guénon reader.

You should start a thread with these entitled Apophthegmata Fabium.
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Re: Greetings
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2017, 01:28:30 PM »
What's the most pious way to clean a parish bathroom? Asking for a friend.
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Re: Greetings
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2017, 01:30:18 PM »
What's the most pious way to clean a parish bathroom? Asking for a friend.

It depends.  For example, are you doing it on a day when you sing "God is the Lord" at Matins, or "Alleluia"? 
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Re: Greetings
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2017, 01:44:53 PM »
What's the most pious way to clean a parish bathroom? Asking for a friend.

It depends.  For example, are you doing it on a day when you sing "God is the Lord" at Matins, or "Alleluia"? 

What's the most pious way to clean a parish bathroom? Asking for a friend.

Parish bathrooms should not need cleaning, because parishes should not have bathrooms.

Needing to use the facilities during the services is being ruled by the passions. It is thrice as sinful to do so during the Lenten seasons.
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Re: Greetings
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2017, 03:07:32 PM »
AFAIK, it's only licit to poop on weekends during Lent.
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Re: Greetings
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2017, 05:54:28 PM »
Welcome.  Since you were born in the Orthodox, have you already been baptized and chrismated?

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Re: Greetings
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2017, 07:30:45 PM »
Welcome.  Since you were born in the Orthodox, have you already been baptized and chrismated?

Yes I was baptized as a baby.

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Re: Greetings
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2017, 11:25:42 PM »
I likewise was in a state of nihilism, egoism and postmodernism; Marxism, materialism and positivism when I apostasized. So, I can relate slightly. But what changed my mind apparently wasn't the same thing which changed yours it seems. I'm curious to know what exactly changed your mind, what writings, phenomenon etc. if you're not comfortable sharing here, you can always PM. Specifically, "I've searched and searched, drifted so far away from my roots, seeking truth and understanding only to realize that our Church Fathers have always had the answers. It was a truly beautiful realization." What insight did you glean from the Fathers?

I basically rejected those ideas because I realized that Nietzsche and Kierkegaard could be right, and that positivism could be wrong. I basically rejected Orthodoxy as a positivist, then as I realized the problems with positivism I sort of drifted into nihilism and postmodern ideas, then I realized the problem with all three of those. There are basically no ethical, metaphysical or epistemic foundations for those ideas. So, I thought I'd become Orthodox again. I have more faith in the Church than I do in my own reason to understand reality. I also attempted to import mysticism into my worldview, but to no avail. Buddhism is ultimately just as nihilistic a worldview as the one I held, so it didn't help.
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Re: Greetings
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2017, 12:02:12 AM »
I likewise was in a state of nihilism, egoism and postmodernism; Marxism, materialism and positivism when I apostasized. So, I can relate slightly. But what changed my mind apparently wasn't the same thing which changed yours it seems. I'm curious to know what exactly changed your mind, what writings, phenomenon etc. if you're not comfortable sharing here, you can always PM. Specifically, "I've searched and searched, drifted so far away from my roots, seeking truth and understanding only to realize that our Church Fathers have always had the answers. It was a truly beautiful realization." What insight did you glean from the Fathers?

I basically rejected those ideas because I realized that Nietzsche and Kierkegaard could be right, and that positivism could be wrong. I basically rejected Orthodoxy as a positivist, then as I realized the problems with positivism I sort of drifted into nihilism and postmodern ideas, then I realized the problem with all three of those. There are basically no ethical, metaphysical or epistemic foundations for those ideas. So, I thought I'd become Orthodox again. I have more faith in the Church than I do in my own reason to understand reality. I also attempted to import mysticism into my worldview, but to no avail. Buddhism is ultimately just as nihilistic a worldview as the one I held, so it didn't help.

It would be very hard for me to be specific, but as I said looking back I feel the Church teachings weren't properly relayed to me, this may be something that is constant across the board or perhaps just my experience. I initially didn't understand the practicality of Orthodoxy aside from following/mimicking what others were doing. I pretty much studied everything all over again, from the meaning behind our icons to the endless depth and power behind the Jesus Prayer. I did specific research to feed my personal inclination to always want to understand everything from a complete neutral point of view. I felt a change in me, the Lord's presence was real. I was given signs in the present moment but not only that, I started to remember my past and remember specific times when Lord gave me signs then and I was too ignorant or maybe even arrogant to acknowledge them. God is truly great, I was denying the truth within myself but He kept knocking.

Buddhism cannot help, I was there as well, and neither can any sort of meditation or occult teachings. Jesus Christ is the core and without Him it IS nihilism. We are not "gods" so to whom are we meditating? It's emptiness in another realm. 

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Re: Greetings
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2017, 12:11:35 AM »
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Re: Greetings
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2017, 01:24:32 AM »
Welcome.  Since you were born in the Orthodox, have you already been baptized and chrismated?

Yes I was baptized as a baby.
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Re: Greetings
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Welcome.
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