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Re: What's going on in the Syriac Orthodox Churc
« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2017, 09:13:09 PM »
AN, I am replying to you on the private fora to avoid derailing this thread.
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Re: What's going on in the Syriac Orthodox Church?!
« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2017, 09:51:19 PM »
Okay.
Worship is theology, so a church which brings Evangelical and Charismatic "praise & worship" into its corporate life is no longer Orthodox.  It is, by definition, heterodox.  Those "Orthodox" leaders who make theological arguments for the incorporation of heteropraxis into the life of the Church are heretics.

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Re: What's going on in the Syriac Orthodox Church?!
« Reply #47 on: February 15, 2017, 08:00:58 AM »
Bishops ask for forgiveness and the blessing of His Holiness.


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Re: What's going on in the Syriac Orthodox Church?!
« Reply #48 on: February 15, 2017, 09:07:57 AM »
It's an interesting statement. They only implicitly recant of their schism by saying that that's never what they intended and there is no direct mention of the status of the (ex-?) bishops of Belgium and Jazira and the status of the priest that the latter ordained. Most of the statement is taken up with re-iterating their criticisms of the patriarch's administrative choices and an acceptance of his apology/clarification about venerating the Qur'an.... It seems that mediation has taken place and a resolution was found, but the details aren't clear from this.

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Re: What's going on in the Syriac Orthodox Church?!
« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2017, 01:22:42 PM »
Glory to God!
Worship is theology, so a church which brings Evangelical and Charismatic "praise & worship" into its corporate life is no longer Orthodox.  It is, by definition, heterodox.  Those "Orthodox" leaders who make theological arguments for the incorporation of heteropraxis into the life of the Church are heretics.

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Re: What's going on in the Syriac Orthodox Church?!
« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2017, 01:36:19 PM »
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Re: What's going on in the Syriac Orthodox Church?!
« Reply #51 on: February 15, 2017, 02:36:43 PM »
Good news!  Does that mean they're reinstated, or are they awaiting a response from His Holiness?
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Re: What's going on in the Syriac Orthodox Church?!
« Reply #52 on: February 15, 2017, 03:38:46 PM »
Their letter of "apology" still seems pretty critical of His Holiness to me.   I glorify God that we're on the road to recovery, but I don't think it's kiss and make up time just yet.  Let's see what the Synod and His Holiness have to say.  Lord, have mercy.  :-\
Worship is theology, so a church which brings Evangelical and Charismatic "praise & worship" into its corporate life is no longer Orthodox.  It is, by definition, heterodox.  Those "Orthodox" leaders who make theological arguments for the incorporation of heteropraxis into the life of the Church are heretics.

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Re: What's going on in the Syriac Orthodox Church?!
« Reply #53 on: February 15, 2017, 03:52:50 PM »
.. no direct mention of the status of the (ex-?) bishops of Belgium and Jazira and the status of the priest that the latter ordained.

Mor Eusthathius Matta Roham, who was the  Archbishop of Jezira and the Euphrates; by himself abandoned his flock at the most critical time for the folk and fled to Austria.  The Synod gave him 6 months to return to his Archdiocese and take care of the flock; which he didnot, but chose to stay in the safety offered by Europe. So a new Archbishop was installed for Jezira and the Euphrates.  I am not sure how you can revisit that.

So Mor Eusthathius Matta Roham, is now a general bishop with no diocese assigned.  And no canon allows an archbishop to ordain a priest outside his archdiocese. So anybody an archbishop who has fled his archdiocese ordains within the jurisdiction of another bishop is not a canonically ordained priest.
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Re: What's going on in the Syriac Orthodox Church?!
« Reply #54 on: February 15, 2017, 03:58:55 PM »
Let's see what the Synod and His Holiness have to say.  Lord, have mercy.  :-\
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Re: What's going on in the Syriac Orthodox Church?!
« Reply #55 on: February 15, 2017, 08:55:13 PM »
The Standing Conference of Oriental Orthodox Churches has issued a strong statement in support of His Holiness here.
Worship is theology, so a church which brings Evangelical and Charismatic "praise & worship" into its corporate life is no longer Orthodox.  It is, by definition, heterodox.  Those "Orthodox" leaders who make theological arguments for the incorporation of heteropraxis into the life of the Church are heretics.

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Re: What's going on in the Syriac Orthodox Church?!
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Re: What's going on in the Syriac Orthodox Church?!
« Reply #57 on: February 17, 2017, 09:56:08 AM »
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A gift to His Holiness Kumran Rabo Ignatius Aphrem II, Patriarch of Antioch and all the East and Supreme Head of the Universal Syriac Orthodox Church.

With great energy, His Holiness travels around the world, visits His scattered herd, works for His Lord and His church and prays with great spirit, pouring His blessings upon us. As an initiative to repay this in a small yet important way, we want the people to contribute to His Holiness by also praying for Him.

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Re: What's going on in the Syriac Orthodox Church?!
« Reply #58 on: February 17, 2017, 10:02:35 AM »
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A gift to His Holiness Kumran Rabo Ignatius Aphrem II, Patriarch of Antioch and all the East and Supreme Head of the Universal Syriac Orthodox Church.

With great energy, His Holiness travels around the world, visits His scattered herd, works for His Lord and His church and prays with great spirit, pouring His blessings upon us. As an initiative to repay this in a small yet important way, we want the people to contribute to His Holiness by also praying for Him.

Amen.  Lord, have mercy.
Worship is theology, so a church which brings Evangelical and Charismatic "praise & worship" into its corporate life is no longer Orthodox.  It is, by definition, heterodox.  Those "Orthodox" leaders who make theological arguments for the incorporation of heteropraxis into the life of the Church are heretics.

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Re: What's going on in the Syriac Orthodox Church?!
« Reply #59 on: February 17, 2017, 10:22:12 AM »
http://prayforthepatriarch.com/

A gift to His Holiness Kumran Rabo Ignatius Aphrem II, Patriarch of Antioch and all the East and Supreme Head of the Universal Syriac Orthodox Church.

With great energy, His Holiness travels around the world, visits His scattered herd, works for His Lord and His church and prays with great spirit, pouring His blessings upon us. As an initiative to repay this in a small yet important way, we want the people to contribute to His Holiness by also praying for Him.

Amen.  Lord, have mercy.

Indeed.  Kyrie eleison
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Re: What's going on in the Syriac Orthodox Church?!
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Re: What's going on in the Syriac Orthodox Church?!
« Reply #61 on: March 19, 2017, 03:12:14 PM »
May God give the bishops who were offered a period of time to offer their repentance per item three a heart for true repentance and reconciliation.  May God heal his Church and prevent any lasting schism or the formation of what could only be an illicit and illegitimate parallel administration.  May God also give the suspended bishops a heart for repentance.  Lord, have mercy.
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Worship is theology, so a church which brings Evangelical and Charismatic "praise & worship" into its corporate life is no longer Orthodox.  It is, by definition, heterodox.  Those "Orthodox" leaders who make theological arguments for the incorporation of heteropraxis into the life of the Church are heretics.

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Re: What's going on in the Syriac Orthodox Church?!
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Updates?
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Re: What's going on in the Syriac Orthodox Church?!
« Reply #63 on: April 24, 2017, 09:38:20 AM »
The four bishops who have not been suspended have until the end of this month to reconcile with His Holiness and the Holy Synod and accept its decisions.  Let us pray that God gives them a heart for repentence and reconciliation.  Amen.
Worship is theology, so a church which brings Evangelical and Charismatic "praise & worship" into its corporate life is no longer Orthodox.  It is, by definition, heterodox.  Those "Orthodox" leaders who make theological arguments for the incorporation of heteropraxis into the life of the Church are heretics.

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