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Offline 786SalamKhan

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Objectively discerning the truth
« on: December 14, 2016, 04:41:32 PM »
Hi,

Mystics for example, of various religious traditions, would claim certainty based on spiritual experiences they have personally had. Of course, if you dismiss this as impossible or unreliable in objectively discerning/gauging the truth, they could accuse you of relying instead on your own personal experience/worldview, which is very subjective.

How do you objectively discern/gauge the truth, especially when it comes down to attaining certainty through mysticism?

Thanks in advance and God bless.

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Re: Objectively discerning the truth
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2016, 07:00:40 PM »
Well, the truth cannot be a walking contradiction.
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Re: Objectively discerning the truth
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2016, 10:39:15 AM »
Hi,

Mystics for example, of various religious traditions, would claim certainty based on spiritual experiences they have personally had. Of course, if you dismiss this as impossible or unreliable in objectively discerning/gauging the truth, they could accuse you of relying instead on your own personal experience/worldview, which is very subjective.

How do you objectively discern/gauge the truth, especially when it comes down to attaining certainty through mysticism?

Thanks in advance and God bless.

You talking empirical truth or spiritual truth?
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Re: Objectively discerning the truth
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2016, 01:18:15 PM »
Hi,

Mystics for example, of various religious traditions, would claim certainty based on spiritual experiences they have personally had. Of course, if you dismiss this as impossible or unreliable in objectively discerning/gauging the truth, they could accuse you of relying instead on your own personal experience/worldview, which is very subjective.

How do you objectively discern/gauge the truth, especially when it comes down to attaining certainty through mysticism?

Thanks in advance and God bless.

You talking empirical truth or spiritual truth?

The latter.

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Re: Objectively discerning the truth
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2016, 11:48:56 AM »
Hi,

Mystics for example, of various religious traditions, would claim certainty based on spiritual experiences they have personally had. Of course, if you dismiss this as impossible or unreliable in objectively discerning/gauging the truth, they could accuse you of relying instead on your own personal experience/worldview, which is very subjective.

How do you objectively discern/gauge the truth, especially when it comes down to attaining certainty through mysticism?

Thanks in advance and God bless.

You talking empirical truth or spiritual truth?

The latter.

The only way for someone to discern that is through faith, reason, and intellect, as Galileo Galilei once said. We were given these gifts by God to use. It sounds circular, yes, but that's the best we got.
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Re: Objectively discerning the truth
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2016, 02:55:04 PM »
There is no such thing as objectivism.
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Re: Objectively discerning the truth
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2016, 03:06:02 PM »
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How do you objectively discern/gauge the truth, especially when it comes down to attaining certainty through mysticism?
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Don't know if it insures truth, but it's certainly helpful to have a spiritual community or mentor to test one's 'leadings' with before acting on them. The method isn't foolproof, but it has probably saved a lot of people who think they've clearly heard the voice of God speaking to them personally from disastrous actions.