Author Topic: Pat. Bartholomew speaks in favor of Amoris Laetitia; Rorate Caeli blows gasket  (Read 1375 times)

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http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/12/bizarre-move-patriarch-bartholomew-of.html

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In what is surely one of the most bizarre twists in the debate on Amoris Laetitia, Pariarch Bartholomew, Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople, has penned an article unabashedly endorsing that exhortation. While it is no secret that the Kasperite and liberal wing have partly taken inspiration from Eastern Orthodox praxis, that L'Osservatore Romano would go to the extent of publishing an article from Bartholomew in support of AL will only exacerbate the concerns of those who do see this document as intending a departure from perennial Catholic teaching. 
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We wonder which is more embarassing here: the head of a tiny, increasingly irrelevant, but still respected (albeit dissident) Eastern Patriarchate expressing himself like a sycophantic papal courtier; or L'Osservatore Romano publishing this trash.

LOL!

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A quote from the said (or rather sad) article:
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What has undoubtedly smothered and hampered people in the past is the fear that a “heavenly father” somehow dictates human conduct and prescribes human custom. The truth is quite the opposite, and religious leaders are called themselves to remember and in turn to remind that God is life and love and light. Indeed, these are the terms repeatedly emphasized by Pope Francis in his encyclical, which discerns the experience and challenges of contemporary society in order to discern a spirituality of marriage and family for today’s world.

http://www.osservatoreromano.va/en/news/god-love-1-john-48

Isn't this manifest heresy?

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No. It's wiggly squishy talk, the lingua franca of respected ecclesiastics in the 21st century.
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A quote from the said (or rather sad) article:
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What has undoubtedly smothered and hampered people in the past is the fear that a “heavenly father” somehow dictates human conduct and prescribes human custom. The truth is quite the opposite, and religious leaders are called themselves to remember and in turn to remind that God is life and love and light. Indeed, these are the terms repeatedly emphasized by Pope Francis in his encyclical, which discerns the experience and challenges of contemporary society in order to discern a spirituality of marriage and family for today’s world.

http://www.osservatoreromano.va/en/news/god-love-1-john-48

Isn't this manifest heresy?

There are a group of traditionalist Catholics that I know - not crazies mind you - who believe that Pope Francis is not entirely an orthodox (little 'o') Catholic. At least one of these individuals is a priest friend of mine.
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What has undoubtedly smothered and hampered people in the past is the fear that a “heavenly father” somehow dictates human conduct and prescribes human custom. The truth is quite the opposite, and religious leaders are called themselves to remember and in turn to remind that God is life and love and light. Indeed, these are the terms repeatedly emphasized by Pope Francis in his encyclical, which discerns the experience and challenges of contemporary society in order to discern a spirituality of marriage and family for today’s world read Exodus 20 and reconsider their opinions.
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it is important to observe that Amoris Laetitia recalls first and foremost the mercy and compassion of God, rather than solely the moral rules and canonical regulations of men.

I think the key word here is "solely".  In other words what's the primary purpose: mere laws or something beyond laws?  That's how I'm at least seeing the silver lining in this article, and maybe the intention of HAH.

I don't think it's negating laws, but what does the whole of the Laws (and Prophets) hang on?
« Last Edit: December 07, 2016, 12:36:16 PM by minasoliman »
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