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Grandfather Jesus?
« on: November 01, 2016, 01:58:41 AM »
I just read a verse in Sirach 1 that referenced the writer's grandfather Jesus. Huh???
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Re: Grandfather Jesus?
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2016, 02:14:35 AM »
It's probably this kind of Jesús



OR this one



Not this one:



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Sorry I don't know if they do this kind of thing in Armenian. They do in Russian, Hebrew, and Spanish. Do you know Armenian, may I ask? It could help to clear it up.

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Re: Grandfather Jesus?
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2016, 02:23:48 AM »
From what I understand, Jesus (and other forms of it) was a fairly popular name at various times.

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Re: Grandfather Jesus?
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2016, 02:28:05 AM »
I just read a verse in Sirach 1 that referenced the writer's grandfather Jesus. Huh???

Yeah, what a lot of people today don't realize is that Jesus was actually a very common name among Jews in the ancient world.  It's not unlike how, in the Gospels, there are a ton of women named Mary (in one verse of John, we even get to read this line: Now there stood by the cross of Jesus His mother, and His mother’s sister, Mary [the wife] of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene). 

So, no, it isn't a confusing reference to Jesus the Christ.  Rather, it's a coincidental Jesus.
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Re: Grandfather Jesus?
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2016, 03:11:33 AM »
I don't know the exact stat, but Jesus is a very common Jewish name.
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Re: Grandfather Jesus?
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2016, 03:13:27 AM »
If you read the Hebrew: Isaiah, Joshua, Jeshua, Hosea are all related linguistically to the name Jesus. It's a very common Jewish name.
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Re: Grandfather Jesus?
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2016, 09:31:30 AM »
I just read a verse in Sirach 1 that referenced the writer's grandfather Jesus. Huh???

Sirach's grandfather was named Jesus, but he was not the same person as our Lord, who is Jesus Christ.

Note that Joshua and Jesus are synonymous, also the form "Yeshua" favoured for our Lord by the "Messianic Jewish" movement, which is a bit misguided, and the other variant names pointed out by xOrthodox in the preceding post.

Just as there are many Hispanic persons named Jesus, we can also see many instances of Jewish persons before our Lord who had the same name. 

The actual meaning of these variant names is "YHWH Saves" which provides us with a compelling reason for our Lord having this name in addition to the Messiah (Christ), Emanu-el, and so on.
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Re: Grandfather Jesus?
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2016, 10:54:38 AM »
It was a common name.  It was also the same name as Joshua.  So the author of the book is "Jesus ben Sirach"
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Re: Grandfather Jesus?
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2016, 11:11:50 AM »
Whatever, guys. Keep trying to cover up Jesus' bloodline and repressing the divine feminine.
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Re: Grandfather Jesus?
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2016, 01:56:33 PM »
"Yeshua" (which originated "Jesus") is a later, now obsolete, form of "Yehoshua" (which originated "Joshua", btw). In the Septuagint, the Righteous Patriarch Joshua has the same name as the Lord and as Sirach's grandpa.

Joshua x Jesus is like Miriam x Mary, Jacob x James (although this duality seems to be arbitrary and exterior to Hebrew x Greek), Judah x Judas or, more obscurely, Johanan x John and Mattithiah x Matthew.
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Re: Grandfather Jesus?
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2016, 02:57:55 PM »
From what I understand, it was a very common name.
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