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Mary Help of Christians
« on: September 21, 2016, 02:23:16 PM »
In the following wikipedia article I read:
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Although it is commonly associated with the Roman Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church has also known the devotion since 1030 in Ukraine, when the country was defended from a barbarian invasion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Help_of_Christians

This raises questions, i.e.:

To which event does this exactly refer to and on which day it is celebrated? What is its offical liturgical name, and does anyone have the propers of this feast? Is it indeed celebrated by Ukrainian Orthodox or rather by Byzantine Rite Roman Catholics?



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Re: Mary Help of Christians
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2016, 02:39:07 PM »
Intercession of the Theotokos is celebrated in the Orthodox Church on October 1. The Greek Church moved it to October 28 though. It is celebrated universally in the Orthodox Church however in the Eastern slavic countries it's considered one of the biggest feasts after Easter and 12 major feasts while in Greece it's of lesser importance. I cannot really speak for Balkan countries or Arabs.

The origin of this feast is the apparition of Theotokos in Constantinople while it was being seiged. It's only not clear what siege was that exactly. The most common date believed is 910.

And that icons indeed looks like it was painted in the Eastern Catholic circle. I cannot decipher it since the letters are to small.

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Re: Mary Help of Christians
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2016, 05:30:00 PM »
Intercession of the Theotokos is celebrated in the Orthodox Church on October 1. The Greek Church moved it to October 28 though. It is celebrated universally in the Orthodox Church however in the Eastern slavic countries it's considered one of the biggest feasts after Easter and 12 major feasts while in Greece it's of lesser importance. I cannot really speak for Balkan countries or Arabs.

The origin of this feast is the apparition of Theotokos in Constantinople while it was being seiged. It's only not clear what siege was that exactly. The most common date believed is 910.

And that icons indeed looks like it was painted in the Eastern Catholic circle. I cannot decipher it since the letters are to small.

The icon type reminds me more of Auxilium Christianorum (the Roman-catholic counterpart of the Feast of the Protection and Intercession of the Theotokos), especially regarding the spread mantle.

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Re: Mary Help of Christians
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2016, 05:30:02 PM »
Intercession of the Theotokos is celebrated in the Orthodox Church on October 1. The Greek Church moved it to October 28 though. It is celebrated universally in the Orthodox Church however in the Eastern slavic countries it's considered one of the biggest feasts after Easter and 12 major feasts while in Greece it's of lesser importance. I cannot really speak for Balkan countries or Arabs.
For Bulgars and Serbs it's quite important feasts and it's celebrated on the 1st of October. As for Arabs, it's rather not so great feast, but I think it's celebrated on the 1st of October - we will see in a few days ;)
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Re: Mary Help of Christians
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2016, 07:16:38 AM »
Intercession of the Theotokos is celebrated in the Orthodox Church on October 1. The Greek Church moved it to October 28 though. It is celebrated universally in the Orthodox Church however in the Eastern slavic countries it's considered one of the biggest feasts after Easter and 12 major feasts while in Greece it's of lesser importance. I cannot really speak for Balkan countries or Arabs.
For Bulgars and Serbs it's quite important feasts and it's celebrated on the 1st of October. As for Arabs, it's rather not so great feast, but I think it's celebrated on the 1st of October - we will see in a few days ;)

I have forgotten about Romanians, that also celebrate this feast today and it's quite important for them. As for Antiochian Church: in Arabic typicon 2016 there is no even mention of this feast (neither 1st of October nor 28th of October), but on the page of the Antiochian Archidioces in North America this feast is under the 1st of October.

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The Protection is commemorated most fervently in Slavic churches, probably because St. Andrei was a Slav. The first celebration of the Theotokos's cerement in the Russian Orthodox Church dates back from the 12th century and today is celebrated throughout the Orthodox Church.
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So, all Slavs (not only Eastern) celeberate it as an important feast; and as it goes for Romanians, they have been strongly influenced by Slavs, so it's also logical.


And Orthodoxwiki says for Greeks:
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In recent years, the Feast of the Protection has become associated with thanksgiving for the deliverance of the Greek nation from the Italian invasion of 1940. These events are commemorated in Greece in a national holiday known as "Ochi Day" or "No Day," referring to the response of the Greek leader Metaxas to Mussolini's ultimatum.

In recognition of this, and because of the many miracles of the Holy Virgin which were reported by Greek soldiers during the Greco-Italian War of 1940-1941, the Holy Synod of the Church of Greece elected in 1952 to transfer the Feast from October 1 to October 28.
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So the change of the date is logical (at least a bit) and connecting the both facts it's understable, why Arabs don't celebrate it (or only at some parishes).

But Albanians have this feast on the 1st of October (see here). I'm curious about Georgians.


Anyway, happy feast for all people celebrating today ;)
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