Except that you won't live that long, and there are, oh, three? Seven? Many parents, plus one adolescent living on his own? This is a bunch of hooey!
If you want this model, you have to get to this model, because it isn't the way the world is now.
It is a model that exists, but it exists within each Orthodox Jurisdiction...Ideally it would encompass all Jurisidctions eventually, but as I said initially, the current situation is preferable to unity with autocephaly.
Yes, it is up to the parent. But many times later in life, the child has to make decisions for the parent, albeit in a respectful and caring manner since the parent is advanced in years and unable to care for himself/herself.
I was not aware that an Ecumenical Council or the Canons required a land to be Orthodox for >=500 years in order for Autocephaly to be granted. I was not aware that there was a >=75% of the populous that are Orthodox requirement for Autocephaly.
I was giving standards that, from an objective look at Church History, are reasonable way to determine if a Church in a given reigon as 'mature.'
The Pony Express has been defunct for around 150 years or so now. We have such things as telephones, the internet, turbine aircraft and other modes of mass transportation.
Precisely why there is little difference in the abilities to pastor a flock of a Primate halfway around the world and one that lives next door.
I was not aware that a young seminarian was wiser in the ways of pastoral guidance than the vast number of clergy and Hierarchs in the land where he lives.
If I was simply professing my own opinions, unsubstantiated by any authority in the world, you may have a poing; however, I speak not from my own Wisdom, but by the Wisdom of the Great Church of Christ; using what little knowledge I have to advance, in whatever humble way I am able to, the posistion of the Imperial See. A See whose Patriarch and Synod is, I am quite certain, infinitely wiser than the vast majority of Clergy and Hierarchs in this land.
I was not aware that a young American convert serminarian, who does not know his Primate, could simply assume that said Primate who has never lived in this country and resides halfway across the globe could pastorally do the best job practically speaking.
But the actions and encyclicals of the Oecumenical Throne have demonstrated this competance, the sending of Archbishop Spyridon, for example, clearly demonstrates that Patriarchate knew of the problems in the GOA, hence sending a primate to correct the problems. Now I confess that the Oecumenical Throne errored in not sending someone who, though a good man and wise Bishop, was not sufficently versed in politics to effect the desired Changes, but interaction of personalities are hard to predict, they did what they could to ensure success, for example Archbishop Spyridon is an American, which they thought would help him; and when things got bad, they pulled him out. The events surrounding the end of the Archbishopric of Iakovos to the Enthronement of Demetrios quite clearly demonstrates that the Oecumenical Patriarchate is fully aware of the Issues in the United States and has, to a greater extent than any other Primate in the US or abroad, began to take the necessary steps of protecting the Church from negative influences.
Spare us the circular arguments about the EP being the most competent by being....de facto the EP! I fail to see what the other Protestant groups in the USA have anything to do with an American Orthodox Church. This is nothing more than a hasty generalization and slippery slope fallacy.
That Americans tend to be more Theologically Liberal and Adventurous, regardless of religion of denomination, should not be groundbreaking news, and hardly needs a formal defence beyond the examples I gave above in relation to the Protestants and Latins, concerning the Latins in particular, the Americans are far more liberal than most the World, yet are still Directly under Rome, imagine the difficulities that would result if they were independent.
You mentioned in another thread about pagan influences being required for "Correct Theology". Now you say that the "Americanizations" need to be removed from the Church. So which is it? I thought the local culture is supposed to be baptized. You can't seem to make up your mind.
The former is an objective historical observation, Greek thought played just as significant a role in the Development of Christian Theology as Jewish thought did. The latter, however, is an attempt to alter the long established Christian Tradition; as the Tradition has long been formed and promulgated, it can hardly be argued that American Culture should, or even can, play a role comprable to that of Greek Culture in the formative years of our Religion.
You profess to be a a student of Church Canon Law. So give some valid arguments based on the Consensus Patrum, historical Canons, Councils and the reasoning behind these structures. What does having a Primate located halfway across the globe have to do with the concept of the Church based on Eucharistic Ecclesiology, a local Church, as espoused by the Early Fathers? It was my original request for discussion afterall. Thank
I've given these arguments in other threads, they relate to Constantinople as New Rome, Constantinople technically having Jurisdiction over Russia, this fact being acknowledged by the Russians themselves for centuries, and the Patriarchate of Moscow, when most generously established by the Good Graces of the Oecumenical Throne, being limited in its scope to, well, Russia. If you want me to spell all these arguments out, I'm sure I can search for them, and cut and paste.
Concerning Eucharistic Ecclesiology, it really only deals with the Relationship of the immediate Hierarch to their Flock. I'm not suggesting we dont have Bishops in America, infact it's a necessary thing to have Bishops in America, but they dont have to be Autocephalous to carry out their Pastoral Ministry with their Local Flock. Technically speaking, the Primate only has authority over his see, whether that See is in Washington or Constantinople makes little difference for the Eucharistic Theology in, say, San Francisco, it is the Bishop of that City, not the Primate, that maintains the Eucharistic Communion amongst the faithful of that City. A relevant point is that the Ecclesiology of the Early Church was not formed around Countries, but rather around Cities. As for the Synods of Bishops, in the Church during the Oecumenical Synods there were only Six Autocephalous Sees, and when the Church was organized, everyone fell within one of those Six Sees, all of which were Culturally Greek, no matter how distant, either Culturally or in terms of Distance, from those Sees.