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Well I guess you can count this Trad Cath out as far as the  "tolerance" agenda of the modern Church and secular state in France. You can't tell the difference between  the two anyway most of the time  these days. I wonder how this guy handles although those "peaceful" Muslims "protesting" over there.

Anyway, I'd call this the "knockout games", trad Catholic style; 8)

Man knocked out by praying Catholic outside Paris church - 'Peaceful' protester knocks man out

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Re: Man knocked out by praying Trad Catholic outside Paris church..
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2016, 05:37:36 AM »
What happened to turning the other cheek?  Did our Lord not command us thusly; did He not also promise that the meek will inherit the Earth?

Meekness and humility.

Knocking someone out is extreme violence and I believe within the Christian faith, we can only justify violence when the violent force is used to protect others. 

Also, even if someone gets in your face and harasses you, this is in fact the demonic passions operating within them.  What is truly going on spiritually is the devil is seeking to goad you into committing a worse sin and indeed an arrestable offense by hitting them.
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Re: Man knocked out by praying Trad Catholic outside Paris church..
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2016, 06:47:47 AM »
There is a Polish fantasy series when the main plot foundation is that Christ did not die on the cross but used His godly power to avenge himself and butcher Jerusalem for not accepting Him (then He conquers Rome etc.). The books take place in the Late Middle Ages and their version of Christianity treats revenge, ruthlessness and violence as virtues, while mercy, humility or forgiveness - as sins and weaknesses. I have to admit such realities better fit the Middle Ages atmosphere, when you try to justify crusades, brutal executions, cultural glorification of killing each other and stuff like that.

As one can see some people regret that it's not what really happened.
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Re: Man knocked out by praying Trad Catholic outside Paris church..
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2016, 07:53:23 AM »
Gosh, that was unexpected!  :o   I suspect there's a lot more going on here than what makes it into the video, though. Best not to pass judgement, and let the police and courts assign blame.  :(
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Re: Man knocked out by praying Trad Catholic outside Paris church..
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2016, 08:36:05 AM »
Well I guess you can count this Trad Cath out as far as the  "tolerance" agenda of the modern Church and secular state in France. You can't tell the difference between  the two anyway most of the time  these days. I wonder how this guy handles although those "peaceful" Muslims "protesting" over there.

Anyway, I'd call this the "knockout games", trad Catholic style; 8)

Man knocked out by praying Catholic outside Paris church - 'Peaceful' protester knocks man out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twZK9jEQEXI

What's the back story here?  What did that guy do to provoke the man who punched him? 
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Re: Man knocked out by praying Trad Catholic outside Paris church..
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2016, 08:44:55 AM »
What did that guy do to provoke the man who punched him? 

He was black.
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Re: Man knocked out by praying Trad Catholic outside Paris church..
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2016, 08:59:40 AM »
Showing off by praying ostentatiously in the street shortly before roughing someone up is hardly the christian thing to do.

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Re: Man knocked out by praying Trad Catholic outside Paris church..
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2016, 09:32:24 AM »
What's the back story here?  What did that guy do to provoke the man who punched him? 
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Re: Man knocked out by praying Trad Catholic outside Paris church..
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2016, 10:31:35 AM »
What did that guy do to provoke the man who punched him? 

He was black.

That was my first thought, but I wanted to be sure.
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Re: Man knocked out by praying Trad Catholic outside Paris church..
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2016, 10:32:42 AM »
There is a Polish fantasy series when the main plot foundation is that Christ did not die on the cross but used His godly power to avenge himself and butcher Jerusalem for not accepting Him (then He conquers Rome etc.). The books take place in the Late Middle Ages and their version of Christianity treats revenge, ruthlessness and violence as virtues, while mercy, humility or forgiveness - as sins and weaknesses. I have to admit such realities better fit the Middle Ages atmosphere, when you try to justify crusades, brutal executions, cultural glorification of killing each other and stuff like that.

As one can see some people regret that it's not what really happened.

That is the horrible truth is it not?  The fantasy series you describe by the way mkkes me sixk just to think of, and being an SF afficanado I thought I was reasonably hardened when it ca,e to shall we say blasphemous material
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Re: Man knocked out by praying Trad Catholic outside Paris church..
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2016, 10:35:26 AM »
Showing off by praying ostentatiously in the street shortly before roughing someone up is hardly the christian thing to do.

Was he also doing that?  Has this chap ever bothered to read the Gospel?  "Do not pray as the hypocrites do..."

I expect he hires a trumpeter to perform a fanfare each time he males a charitable donation, however small.  :P
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Re: Man knocked out by praying Trad Catholic outside Paris church..
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2016, 11:16:14 AM »
Showing off by praying ostentatiously in the street shortly before roughing someone up is hardly the christian thing to do.

Was he also doing that?  Has this chap ever bothered to read the Gospel?  "Do not pray as the hypocrites do..."

I expect he hires a trumpeter to perform a fanfare each time he males a charitable donation, however small.  :P

You're making quite a few unsupported judgments there, aren't you, wgw?

As far as I could determine, there was no information in the video or the comments to explain where or why the group was praying. Presumably if they were praying in front of an abortion clinic most readers of this site would support them. But we don't have the relevant information.

Similarly, there is no available information about why one man who appeared to be part of the group got up and punched the man who walked toward them in (what looked like) the head. I doubt that it was simply because he was black (as some here have suggested); black people are not rare on the streets of Paris, so unless the attack was completely unprovoked it seems more likely there was some sort of friction or threat that occurred before the camera started to role.

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Re: Man knocked out by praying Trad Catholic outside Paris church..
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2016, 11:41:35 AM »
WOW he got knocked out cold with one punch  :o

We don't know what is the backstory to this incident, jumping to conclusions so quick calling it racism is a bit much, everything is considered "racist" these days. Still why are they praying on the streets and not in private, the Pharisees prayed in public too, and unless this guy was a threat why get up to knock him out cold? So many questions, and I don't think the video is showing the full story.

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Re: Man knocked out by praying Trad Catholic outside Paris church..
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2016, 11:45:33 AM »
I doubt that it was simply because he was black (as some here have suggested); black people are not rare on the streets of Paris...

We have quite a few here as well.  ;)
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Re: Man knocked out by praying Trad Catholic outside Paris church..
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2016, 12:01:23 PM »
Maybe he insulted his mother.  :D

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Re: Man knocked out by praying Trad Catholic outside Paris church..
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2016, 12:11:54 PM »
If you listen closely you can hear the man saying "Amoris Laetitiae is cool."
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Re: Man knocked out by praying Trad Catholic outside Paris church..
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2016, 02:41:47 PM »
There is a Polish fantasy series when the main plot foundation is that Christ did not die on the cross but used His godly power to avenge himself and butcher Jerusalem for not accepting Him (then He conquers Rome etc.). The books take place in the Late Middle Ages and their version of Christianity treats revenge, ruthlessness and violence as virtues, while mercy, humility or forgiveness - as sins and weaknesses. I have to admit such realities better fit the Middle Ages atmosphere, when you try to justify crusades, brutal executions, cultural glorification of killing each other and stuff like that.

As one can see some people regret that it's not what really happened.

Not at all. The 1300s and 1400s were very pleasant, free times for most people, compared to the early-modern era and then our own terrifying era that would follow.
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Re: Man knocked out by praying Trad Catholic outside Paris church..
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2016, 02:46:10 PM »
black people are not rare on the streets of Paris

No, but Trad Catholics are rare. When a couple of decades ago here in America Black churches started to be burned down (with people and children in them) around the Southeast, was it because Blacks in the area rare? No, it was a shocking act because the fine Christian folks who burn down Black churches are actually very rare.
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Re: Man knocked out by praying Trad Catholic outside Paris church..
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2016, 04:52:05 PM »
As far as I could determine, there was no information in the video or the comments to explain where or why the group was praying. Presumably if they were praying in front of an abortion clinic most readers of this site would support them. But we don't have the relevant information.

AFAIK that group (FFsPs) were renting a church for their services from some Old Catholics of some sort. And they decided to sell the parcel and building. And now the new owner evicted them to build there something.
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