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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #225 on: September 19, 2016, 03:30:53 PM »
I live out in the middle of NoWhere-USA.... it will be hard for me to find all these churches reasonably near me.
And yet somehow you claim to know for a fact that EOs and OOs normally intercommune, even though I, an EO, says that this is not normal.
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #226 on: September 19, 2016, 03:39:58 PM »
I live out in the middle of NoWhere-USA.... it will be hard for me to find all these churches reasonably near me.
And yet somehow you claim to know for a fact that EOs and OOs normally intercommune, even though I, an EO, says that this is not normal.

Because I have friends and family that are both.  I don't need to be an OO to know. lol
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #227 on: September 19, 2016, 04:25:36 PM »
And yet somehow you claim to know for a fact that EOs and OOs normally intercommune, even though I, an EO, says that this is not normal.

Because I have friends and family that are both.  I don't need to be an OO to know. lol

Sounds like you will know what happens when you:
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go to 4 OO churches,
say you are EO,
say "Melkites are closer to EOs",
say "Melkites have Orthodox theology" and
announce that you are communing in their OO church.
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #228 on: September 19, 2016, 04:45:03 PM »
And yet somehow you claim to know for a fact that EOs and OOs normally intercommune, even though I, an EO, says that this is not normal.

Because I have friends and family that are both.  I don't need to be an OO to know. lol

Sounds like you will know what happens when you:
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go to 4 OO churches,
say you are EO,
say "Melkites are closer to EOs",
say "Melkites have Orthodox theology" and
announce that you are communing in their OO church.

Of course I do... My friends and family are sample points.
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #229 on: September 19, 2016, 05:48:33 PM »
Sounds like you will know what happens when you:
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go to 4 OO churches,
say you are EO,
say "Melkites are closer to EOs",
say "Melkites have Orthodox theology" and
announce that you are communing in their OO church.

Of course I do... My friends and family are sample points.
Great. How many EO Churches have your OO friends and family practiced frequent regular communion at when there were OO churches close by and they had no exceptional justifications?
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #230 on: September 19, 2016, 05:53:45 PM »
Sounds like you will know what happens when you:
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go to 4 OO churches,
say you are EO,
say "Melkites are closer to EOs",
say "Melkites have Orthodox theology" and
announce that you are communing in their OO church.

Of course I do... My friends and family are sample points.
Great. How many EO Churches have your OO friends and family practiced frequent regular communion at when there were OO churches close by and they had no exceptional justifications?

No idea but I can ask.  Many of them have OO/EO/Melkite "mixed" marriages so they have been communing in churches they didn't grow up in.
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #231 on: September 19, 2016, 06:05:34 PM »
Sounds like you will know what happens when you:
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go to 4 OO churches,
say you are EO,
say "Melkites are closer to EOs",
say "Melkites have Orthodox theology" and
announce that you are communing in their OO church.

Of course I do... My friends and family are sample points.
Great. How many EO Churches have your OO friends and family practiced frequent regular communion at when there were OO churches close by and they had no exceptional justifications?

No idea but I can ask.  Many of them have OO/EO/Melkite "mixed" marriages so they have been communing in churches they didn't grow up in.

So you aren't Melkite anymore ?
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #232 on: September 19, 2016, 06:45:03 PM »
I live out in the middle of NoWhere-USA.... it will be hard for me to find all these churches reasonably near me.
No it will not be hard. I guarantee there is a Coptic church in the middle of NoWhere-USA. We have one in the middle of the Californian desert and so many satellite services. And finding a church reasonably near you is direct function on how you define "reasonable". Many priests travel 2-5 hours once a month for satellite services. I know some priests who fly in small private planes to do a liturgy in NoWhere-USA. I myself usually spend 30 minutes traveling to a church. I have travelled 1-2 hours weekly years ago and I know a few people who commute 3-4 hours every Sunday to Church. Nowadays, people claim it is not reasonable to commute out of their zip code for church. Again it all depends on how you define reasonable.

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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #233 on: September 19, 2016, 06:53:31 PM »
I live out in the middle of NoWhere-USA.... it will be hard for me to find all these churches reasonably near me.
And yet somehow you claim to know for a fact that EOs and OOs normally intercommune, even though I, an EO, says that this is not normal.

Because I have friends and family that are both.  I don't need to be an OO to know. lol
If you were OO, you would know that unless your friends and family have received exemption status from the OO bishop, (something they would not receive if there is a OO parish near them) they are not samples of any official OO communion practices. If you were OO, you would know there are plenty of OO's (Coptic at least. I won't misrepresent other OO's) that are breaking OO canons without any ecclesial authority by communing wherever they want. This latter group is not a sample of anything normal.

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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #234 on: October 10, 2016, 02:15:49 AM »
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #235 on: October 10, 2016, 07:46:31 AM »
The answer is No. The Melkites are Roman Catholics.

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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #236 on: October 10, 2016, 07:47:05 AM »
There was a Church schism c 1000 years ago as I recall....

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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #237 on: October 10, 2016, 12:41:50 PM »
For what reason that stupid thread has been actually resurrected?
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #238 on: October 11, 2016, 09:09:59 PM »
The answer is No. The Melkites are Roman Catholics.

No, not really.
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #239 on: October 11, 2016, 09:10:21 PM »
There was a Church schism c 1000 years ago as I recall....

No, not a 1000 years ago.
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #240 on: October 11, 2016, 09:13:20 PM »
For what reason that stupid thread has been actually resurrected?

Why not?  It helps people learn more about how the Melkite Church and the AOC are practically identical in theology and liturgy.  Also important to know its possible to go from Melkite to AEO without having to get re-baptized or chrismated for those that don't want to do that and officially be part of an AEOC.
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #241 on: October 11, 2016, 09:39:49 PM »
Why not?  It helps people learn more about how the Melkite Church and the AOC are practically identical in theology
Hello, URG.
Here is another one of the biggest Orthodox forums online:
www.monachos.net/conversation

They have some conversations about Melkites here:

Can a joint Melkite/Orthodox parish exist?

http://www.monachos.net/conversation/topic/60-can-a-joint-melkiteorthodox-parish-exist/

If you are so confident and interested in this topic, I recommend you going to their forum to discuss your theological hypotheses about Melkites and how the Vatican Councils that Melkites accept teach Orthodoxy.
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #242 on: October 11, 2016, 09:44:18 PM »
Why not?  It helps people learn more about how the Melkite Church and the AOC are practically identical in theology
Hello, URG.
Here is another one of the biggest Orthodox forums online:
www.monachos.net/conversation

They have some conversations about Melkites here:

Can a joint Melkite/Orthodox parish exist?

http://www.monachos.net/conversation/topic/60-can-a-joint-melkiteorthodox-parish-exist/

If you are so confident and interested in this topic, I recommend you going to their forum to discuss your theological hypotheses about Melkites and how the Vatican Councils that Melkites accept teach Orthodoxy.

Of course I'm interested, I started the topic. :)  Thanks for sharing the link, I'll check it out soon when I get some breathing room from work.
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #243 on: October 11, 2016, 09:53:40 PM »
I imagine you won't begin by telling them Melkites accept Vatican I and II.
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #244 on: October 11, 2016, 10:00:40 PM »
I imagine you won't begin by telling them Melkites accept Vatican I and II.


It's an old thread from 11 years ago.  You want me to resurrect it?  :laugh:
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #245 on: October 11, 2016, 10:21:03 PM »
I imagine you won't begin by telling them Melkites accept Vatican I and II.


It's an old thread from 11 years ago.  You want me to resurrect it?  :laugh:
Here is an idea:

Try thread title: "Joining Orthodoxy without renouncing Melkitism"

CLICK HERE TO REGISTER:
http://www.monachos.net/conversation/index.php?app=core&module=global&section=register
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #246 on: October 11, 2016, 11:17:17 PM »
I imagine you won't begin by telling them Melkites accept Vatican I and II.


It's an old thread from 11 years ago.  You want me to resurrect it?  :laugh:
Here is an idea:

Try thread title: "Joining Orthodoxy without renouncing Melkitism"

CLICK HERE TO REGISTER:
http://www.monachos.net/conversation/index.php?app=core&module=global&section=register

I'll start a new thread.  Give me some time to get through work.
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #247 on: October 12, 2016, 12:10:30 AM »
Why not?  It helps people learn more about how the Melkite Church and the AOC are practically identical in theology
Hello, URG.
Here is another one of the biggest Orthodox forums online:
www.monachos.net/conversation

They have some conversations about Melkites here:

Can a joint Melkite/Orthodox parish exist?

http://www.monachos.net/conversation/topic/60-can-a-joint-melkiteorthodox-parish-exist/

If you are so confident and interested in this topic, I recommend you going to their forum to discuss your theological hypotheses about Melkites and how the Vatican Councils that Melkites accept teach Orthodoxy.

If you have to go back to 2005 for a relevant thread, it is not very active in the topic of interest.

The Ancient Way appears to be more active:
http://www.christianforums.com/forums/the-ancient-way-eastern-orthodox.145/

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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #248 on: October 12, 2016, 12:48:37 AM »

The Ancient Way appears to be more active:
http://www.christianforums.com/forums/the-ancient-way-eastern-orthodox.145/
No offense to Ancient Way, which I like, but I think Monachos is better for having a fully precise and careful discussion on such issues. They have a strong, narrow focus on liturgy, patristics and theology.
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #249 on: October 12, 2016, 01:54:07 PM »
For what reason that stupid thread has been actually resurrected?

Why not?  It helps people learn more about how the Melkite Church and the AOC are practically identical in theology and liturgy.  Also important to know its possible to go from Melkite to AEO without having to get re-baptized or chrismated for those that don't want to do that and officially be part of an AEOC.

There is, for now, 6 pages plenty of posts of various people trying to convict you that Melkites and Orthodox Antiochians are NOT identical in theology (and a bit in liturgy too).

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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #250 on: October 14, 2016, 01:12:06 AM »
Do Rcs commune anyone besides EOs OOs & Catholics?
Like schismatics or Old Catholics?

I know an Anglican/Episcopalian Priest (Navy Chaplain) who communed at an RC parish in Hawaii. I guess the reason he gave the priest is that he felt more "at home" in the Catholic parish than the other options available to him. I was very surprised as I thought only Catholics (and I have heard EOs as well but I'm not sure on that point) were permitted communion.
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #251 on: October 14, 2016, 01:20:14 AM »
Do Rcs commune anyone besides EOs OOs & Catholics?
Like schismatics or Old Catholics?

I know an Anglican/Episcopalian Priest (Navy Chaplain) who communed at an RC parish in Hawaii. I guess the reason he gave the priest is that he felt more "at home" in the Catholic parish than the other options available to him. I was very surprised as I thought only Catholics (and I have heard EOs as well but I'm not sure on that point) were permitted communion.

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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #252 on: October 15, 2016, 05:21:24 AM »
The answer is No. The Melkites are Roman Catholics.

No, not really.

Yeah you aren't Roman but are you Catholic? At least do you believe in the tenets of the catholic faith?
Melkite in theory are Catholic but from what you have said some melkites are clearly not catholic 
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #253 on: October 18, 2016, 12:07:00 AM »
Seriously the answer is no. I see no reason why this thread is 8 pages long. There isn't any argument because the church is clear on this. If you want to argue about what Mel kites are start another thread.  Username section moderator.

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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #254 on: October 20, 2016, 03:00:34 PM »
Agreed - ridiculous waste of time - the answer is NO NO NO. The Melkites are Roman Catholics regardless of when they decided to become so. They are now. The Great schism was nearly 1000 years ago (YES IT WAS). What nonsense is posted by people here.


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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #255 on: October 30, 2016, 02:31:27 PM »
The answer is No. The Melkites are Roman Catholics.

No, not really.

Yeah you aren't Roman but are you Catholic? At least do you believe in the tenets of the catholic faith?
Melkite in theory are Catholic but from what you have said some melkites are clearly not catholic

I don't believe Melkites are Catholics.  I also know many Melkites who see it the same way I do.
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #256 on: October 30, 2016, 02:32:51 PM »
Agreed - ridiculous waste of time - the answer is NO NO NO. The Melkites are Roman Catholics regardless of when they decided to become so. They are now. The Great schism was nearly 1000 years ago (YES IT WAS). What nonsense is posted by people here.

The Melkite/AEOC schism is only about 300 years old.
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #257 on: October 30, 2016, 02:35:12 PM »
I don't believe Melkites are Catholics.  I also know many Melkites who see it the same way I do.
Did you register on the Monachos forum to ask them about Melkites communing in EO churches yet?

If you approve Rome's 32 Ecumenical Councils like the Council of Trent and Vatican II doesn't that mean you share the basic theology of Rome?
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #258 on: October 30, 2016, 03:31:04 PM »
If you approve Rome's 32 Ecumenical Councils like the Council of Trent and Vatican II doesn't that mean you share the basic theology of Rome?

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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #259 on: October 30, 2016, 05:49:24 PM »
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #260 on: October 31, 2016, 09:45:57 PM »
Agreed - ridiculous waste of time - the answer is NO NO NO. The Melkites are Roman Catholics regardless of when they decided to become so. They are now. The Great schism was nearly 1000 years ago (YES IT WAS). What nonsense is posted by people here.

The Melkite/AEOC schism is only about 300 years old.

And yet it still exists.
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #261 on: December 19, 2016, 01:20:42 PM »
I don't believe Melkites are Catholics.  I also know many Melkites who see it the same way I do.
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #262 on: December 19, 2016, 01:37:49 PM »
I have a question that has been confusing me for a while.  In the US, we differentiate between "Greek Orthodox" (steaming from Church of Greece)  and "Antiochian Orthodox" (steaming from the Church of Antioch).  However, in the Middle East, people call themselves "Rum (Greek) Orthodox".  So when I told my cousin in Jordan that I go to an "Antiochian Orthodox" church, the response was "what the heck is that??".  I tried to explain that the church is also "Greek Orthodox" but the Patriarchate is in Damascus. When I asked him which Patriarchate which "Greek Orthodox" church belongs to he wasn't sure.  So I'm guessing his church either belongs to the Church of Antioch or the Church of Jerusalem.  So after all this rambling, how does one know which Patriarchate a Middle Eastern Greek Orthodox church belongs to?  Is it by territory?  Meaning, for example, all Greek Orthodox churches in Jordan belong to the Church of Antioch? 
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #263 on: December 19, 2016, 01:47:16 PM »
It would be by territory, though recently a big kerfuffle has erupted between the Patriarchates of Jerusalem and Antioch because of the former setting up parishes in Qatar, which is canonically Antioch's territory.

A Greek/ Rum Orthodox in Jordan would probably be under Jerusalem I believe, though I think Antioch has some toehold there.
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #264 on: December 19, 2016, 02:01:28 PM »
Antioch = Syria, Lebanon, Hatay province and Mersin in Turkey (as well as notionally Erzurum and Diyarbakir, though there haven't been parishes there since WWI), Iraq and Kuwait are indisputably their canonical territory and there are no competing jurisdictions. They also have parishes in the UAE and Oman, which most churches recognize as their territory (the Russia churches in the UAE commemorates the Antiochian bishop of Baghdad).

Jerusalem = Palestine/Israel and Jordan, indisputably (there is no Antiochian 'toehold' in Jordan). Plus they operate the parish in Qatar and claim it as their canonical territory.

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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #265 on: December 19, 2016, 02:02:55 PM »
I have a question that has been confusing me for a while.  In the US, we differentiate between "Greek Orthodox" (steaming from Church of Greece)  and "Antiochian Orthodox" (steaming from the Church of Antioch).  However, in the Middle East, people call themselves "Rum (Greek) Orthodox".  So when I told my cousin in Jordan that I go to an "Antiochian Orthodox" church, the response was "what the heck is that??".  I tried to explain that the church is also "Greek Orthodox" but the Patriarchate is in Damascus. When I asked him which Patriarchate which "Greek Orthodox" church belongs to he wasn't sure.  So I'm guessing his church either belongs to the Church of Antioch or the Church of Jerusalem.  So after all this rambling, how does one know which Patriarchate a Middle Eastern Greek Orthodox church belongs to?  Is it by territory?  Meaning, for example, all Greek Orthodox churches in Jordan belong to the Church of Antioch?

Jordan along with Palestine is the canonical territory of the Jerusalem Patriarchate, as it's a part of the Holy Land.

Edit: I would say that all Arab countries (plus historical Syria e.i. eastern-southern Turkey) in Asia except Jordan and Palestine (e. i. Holy Land) are the territory of Antioch.
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #266 on: December 19, 2016, 11:18:00 PM »
I have a question that has been confusing me for a while.  In the US, we differentiate between "Greek Orthodox" (steaming from Church of Greece)  and "Antiochian Orthodox" (steaming from the Church of Antioch).  However, in the Middle East, people call themselves "Rum (Greek) Orthodox".  So when I told my cousin in Jordan that I go to an "Antiochian Orthodox" church, the response was "what the heck is that??".  I tried to explain that the church is also "Greek Orthodox" but the Patriarchate is in Damascus. When I asked him which Patriarchate which "Greek Orthodox" church belongs to he wasn't sure.  So I'm guessing his church either belongs to the Church of Antioch or the Church of Jerusalem.  So after all this rambling, how does one know which Patriarchate a Middle Eastern Greek Orthodox church belongs to?  Is it by territory?  Meaning, for example, all Greek Orthodox churches in Jordan belong to the Church of Antioch?
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #267 on: December 20, 2016, 01:40:40 AM »
Many people will say "Greek Orthodoxy" simply means those Churches which use Greek liturgical texts. In reality, it's sort of a Western misnomer. It's known in the Middle East and in Greece as "Roman" Orthodoxy, or simply Orthodoxy in the Slavic lands.

It's most accurate to call it Byzantine or Roman Orthodoxy, as the Church which accepted the formulation of doctrine by the Ecumenical (imperial) councils, as juxtapposed to the "Oriental" Orthodox who rejected that Church, Empire and it's authority, despite accepting it for a century and a half prior.

Greek Orthodoxy is sort of a misnomer, and yes, Roman (or "Byzantine) Orthodoxy is more proper. Albeit, we've learned to accept the "Eastern" "Oriental" "Greek" etc. labels as proper labels also.
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #268 on: December 20, 2016, 02:33:58 AM »
Many people will say "Greek Orthodoxy" simply means those Churches which use Greek liturgical texts. In reality, it's sort of a Western misnomer. It's known in the Middle East and in Greece as "Roman" Orthodoxy, or simply Orthodoxy in the Slavic lands.

It's most accurate to call it Byzantine or Roman Orthodoxy, as the Church which accepted the formulation of doctrine by the Ecumenical (imperial) councils, as juxtapposed to the "Oriental" Orthodox who rejected that Church, Empire and it's authority, despite accepting it for a century and a half prior.

Greek Orthodoxy is sort of a misnomer, and yes, Roman (or "Byzantine) Orthodoxy is more proper. Albeit, we've learned to accept the "Eastern" "Oriental" "Greek" etc. labels as proper labels also.

It is OK to use, Greek, Byzantine, Rum, or Eastern Orthodox to discribe "us".  But Oriental isn't because it specifically refers to the non-Chalcedonians from the time of the schism.
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Re: Can I, a Melkite, receive communion at an Antiochian Orthodox church
« Reply #269 on: December 20, 2016, 02:41:17 AM »
It is OK to use, Greek, Byzantine, Rum, or Eastern Orthodox to discribe "us".  But Oriental isn't because it specifically refers to the non-Chalcedonians from the time of the schism.

urg8rb8, you are not a member of the Orthodox Church. You are Melkite, beholden to the Pope of Rome and the Roman Catholic church. You are not "us".

If you want to become one of "us", then you'll need to become a catechumen in an Orthodox church, and be properly received, whether by baptism or chrismation. No amount of wishful thinking or wilful denial will change these facts.

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