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What parts of Daniel do Orthodox Jews accept?
« on: August 05, 2016, 05:51:46 PM »
I have had many positive interactions with (*members of) the Jewish community, including discussion of Alva J. McClain's "Daniel's Prophecy of the 70 Weeks" (available on Amazon.com), however I am reluctant to pursue this particular question. Does anyone happen to know?

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Re: What parts of Daniel do Orthodox Jews accept?
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2016, 06:22:13 PM »
Orthodox Jews accept the Hebrew and Aramaic parts of this book, which is the exact canon Protestants chose to follow. That is, excluding the Greek parts we Orthodox Christians, and also Roman Catholics, accept.

No idea about the book you're mentioning, but you'd benefit more from Orthodox sources. I highly recommend Fr. Tadros Malaty's commentary to the Book of the Holy Prophet Daniel. I never checked this particular one, but I enjoyed greatly reading his commentary to Genesis and shuffling through other of his works.

http://www.orthodoxebooks.org/node/150
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Re: What parts of Daniel do Orthodox Jews accept?
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2016, 06:42:59 PM »

No idea about the book you're mentioning, but you'd benefit more from Orthodox sources. I highly recommend Fr. Tadros Malaty's commentary to the Book of the Holy Prophet Daniel. I never checked this particular one, but I enjoyed greatly reading his commentary to Genesis and shuffling through other of his works.

http://www.orthodoxebooks.org/node/150

I would not hesitate to recommend the first part of Dr. Alva J. McClain's book to anyone interested in the topic.

*It's a three-part book. My "recommend" applies only to Part I, which is nearly flawless, imho.
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Re: What parts of Daniel do Orthodox Jews accept?
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2016, 06:44:12 PM »

No idea about the book you're mentioning, but you'd benefit more from Orthodox sources. I highly recommend Fr. Tadros Malaty's commentary to the Book of the Holy Prophet Daniel. I never checked this particular one, but I enjoyed greatly reading his commentary to Genesis and shuffling through other of his works.

http://www.orthodoxebooks.org/node/150

I would not hesitate to recommend the first part of Dr. Alva J. McClain's book to anyone interested in the topic.
Oh, I see, I thought you were asking opinions on this particular book.
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Re: What parts of Daniel do Orthodox Jews accept?
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2016, 06:50:04 PM »

No idea about the book you're mentioning, but you'd benefit more from Orthodox sources. I highly recommend Fr. Tadros Malaty's commentary to the Book of the Holy Prophet Daniel. I never checked this particular one, but I enjoyed greatly reading his commentary to Genesis and shuffling through other of his works.

http://www.orthodoxebooks.org/node/150

I would not hesitate to recommend the first part of Dr. Alva J. McClain's book to anyone interested in the topic.
Oh, I see, I thought you were asking opinions on this particular book.

Do you know is there an English translation of their "canon" available online?
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Re: What parts of Daniel do Orthodox Jews accept?
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2016, 07:02:34 PM »

No idea about the book you're mentioning, but you'd benefit more from Orthodox sources. I highly recommend Fr. Tadros Malaty's commentary to the Book of the Holy Prophet Daniel. I never checked this particular one, but I enjoyed greatly reading his commentary to Genesis and shuffling through other of his works.

http://www.orthodoxebooks.org/node/150

I would not hesitate to recommend the first part of Dr. Alva J. McClain's book to anyone interested in the topic.
Oh, I see, I thought you were asking opinions on this particular book.

Do you know is there an English translation of their "canon" available online?
Any Protestant version of the Old Testament would work.  :laugh: But there are specifically Jewish translations of the Bible, I don't know any of them well but you can surely find at least one online.
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Re: What parts of Daniel do Orthodox Jews accept?
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2016, 07:20:27 PM »

No idea about the book you're mentioning, but you'd benefit more from Orthodox sources. I highly recommend Fr. Tadros Malaty's commentary to the Book of the Holy Prophet Daniel. I never checked this particular one, but I enjoyed greatly reading his commentary to Genesis and shuffling through other of his works.

http://www.orthodoxebooks.org/node/150

I would not hesitate to recommend the first part of Dr. Alva J. McClain's book to anyone interested in the topic.
Oh, I see, I thought you were asking opinions on this particular book.

Do you know is there an English translation of their "canon" available online?
Any Protestant version of the Old Testament would work.  :laugh: But there are specifically Jewish translations of the Bible, I don't know any of them well but you can surely find at least one online.

True story?

*Why isn't there a Greek translation? Every Protestant version that I own includes that certain passages are translated from Aramaen.

** Or is that the Septuagint?
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Re: What parts of Daniel do Orthodox Jews accept?
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2016, 07:22:13 PM »
Yes. The Protestant and Jewish canons are composed of the same texts, although Protestants organise them differently.
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Re: What parts of Daniel do Orthodox Jews accept?
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2016, 07:23:49 PM »
If they don't use the septuagint, then...
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Re: What parts of Daniel do Orthodox Jews accept?
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2016, 07:25:49 PM »
Easy does it.
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Re: What parts of Daniel do Orthodox Jews accept?
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2016, 07:36:30 PM »
Yes. The Protestant and Jewish canons are composed of the same texts, although Protestants organise them differently.

Dr. Alva J. Mclain is correct, then. Wait, let me find you a free copy of the Introduction....

Aha! http://rediscoveringthebible.com/McClainSeventyWeeks.pdf
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Re: What parts of Daniel do Orthodox Jews accept?
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2016, 08:28:33 PM »

No idea about the book you're mentioning, but you'd benefit more from Orthodox sources. I highly recommend Fr. Tadros Malaty's commentary to the Book of the Holy Prophet Daniel. I never checked this particular one, but I enjoyed greatly reading his commentary to Genesis and shuffling through other of his works.

http://www.orthodoxebooks.org/node/150

I would not hesitate to recommend the first part of Dr. Alva J. McClain's book to anyone interested in the topic.
Oh, I see, I thought you were asking opinions on this particular book.

Do you know is there an English translation of their "canon" available online?
Any Protestant version of the Old Testament would work.  :laugh: But there are specifically Jewish translations of the Bible, I don't know any of them well but you can surely find at least one online.
The Orthodox Jewish Bible appears to be the next best thing to not translating the Old Testament at all. :laugh: I have no idea how they came up with their New Testament version...
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Re: What parts of Daniel do Orthodox Jews accept?
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2016, 08:33:25 PM »

No idea about the book you're mentioning, but you'd benefit more from Orthodox sources. I highly recommend Fr. Tadros Malaty's commentary to the Book of the Holy Prophet Daniel. I never checked this particular one, but I enjoyed greatly reading his commentary to Genesis and shuffling through other of his works.

http://www.orthodoxebooks.org/node/150

I would not hesitate to recommend the first part of Dr. Alva J. McClain's book to anyone interested in the topic.
Oh, I see, I thought you were asking opinions on this particular book.

Do you know is there an English translation of their "canon" available online?
Any Protestant version of the Old Testament would work.  :laugh: But there are specifically Jewish translations of the Bible, I don't know any of them well but you can surely find at least one online.
The Orthodox Jewish Bible appears to be the next best thing to not translating the Old Testament at all. :laugh: I have no idea how they came up with their New Testament version...

Those are the same footnotes I have. Does it differ from the Septuagint (*regarding the key passages?)
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