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Offline Charles Martel

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Re: Do you feel represented by your nation?
« Reply #45 on: August 04, 2016, 08:32:52 PM »
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...but, all these things must come to pass.  You simply cannot stop progress...but, no...it does not represent who/what I am.
You absolutely most definitely can.

Think of the many Empires that collapsed almost overnight and lapsed into a "dark" age.
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OK, I give up. Who is he?
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Re: Do you feel represented by your nation?
« Reply #46 on: August 04, 2016, 08:45:30 PM »
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...but, all these things must come to pass.  You simply cannot stop progress...but, no...it does not represent who/what I am.
You absolutely most definitely can.

Think of the many Empires that collapsed almost overnight and lapsed into a "dark" age.
This fella is looking at your post.


OK, I give up. Who is he?
Oswald Spengler, he observed patterns the rise, peak and colapse of great civilisations, launching a short-living historiographic movement of "morphological historians", expanding Danilevsky's insights on cultural cyclicism. I thought you sounded like the kind of guy who reads him. I find his The Decline of the West, along with Man and Technics, essential.
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Re: Do you feel represented by your nation?
« Reply #47 on: August 04, 2016, 09:08:25 PM »
Alt-rightism intensifies ;D
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Re: Do you feel represented by your nation?
« Reply #48 on: August 04, 2016, 09:11:57 PM »
Alt-rightism intensifies ;D
Exactly why I associated him with Charles. :laugh: I think the alt-right movement likes him both for his civilisational pessimism and the way he puts the Western world and its people side to side with some romantised cultures and characters.
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Re: Do you feel represented by your nation?
« Reply #49 on: August 04, 2016, 09:17:00 PM »
Alt-rightism intensifies ;D
Exactly why I associated him with Charles. :laugh: I think the alt-right movement likes him both for his civilisational pessimism and the way he puts the Western world and its people side to side with some romantised cultures and characters.

I've never heard him associated with the Alt-right, but I think I had seen his name/this book floating around in the Neo-reactionary sphere. The two movements are somewhat similar, but immediately distinguishable, and the pessimism would you ascribe to him would more likely fit in with Nrx.

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Re: Do you feel represented by your nation?
« Reply #50 on: August 04, 2016, 10:57:09 PM »
To what extent do you feel your nation's government, media, or marketing represent your personal values and ideologies?

I don't aim to get political; government is mentioned as it applies to a nation's culture and whether it is an accurate reflection of you youself.

No...especially lately.

I love my country...I love the privileges I have here...but, I am disappointed in the direction it is heading...political and otherwise.  The America the world sees today, is not the America I knew and loved as a child.

Our morals are disappearing.  We are not only accepting, but, promoting teachings and ethics which are immoral.  Our family units are disintegrating....it's not just mommy-mommy/daddy-daddy issues, but, many children grow up without a father or mother whom they love and trust.

...and those who stick to morals, are ridiculed and belittled...and quickly becoming the "intolerant" minority.

Just look at our current election.  I'm not getting in to politics...but, out of over 300 million people...these two have been chosen to represent us.

While the Church stance hasn't changed on numerous topics, the faithful have, and no longer adhere to Church teaching, while still claiming to be part of the Church.  Granted we all sin, and do not uphold all Church teachings all the time...however, we need to repent.  Repentance is key to salvation.  However, people today do not realize there's anything to repent.  They think they are in the right, and that's that.

Just today I heard on the radio they were planning some tests on embryos, mixing them with animals cells...and were wondering how they were going to keep the "humanity" out of the chimera that will be created.  Why?  Why do this?  Medical research.  While I can understand the desire to live healthy and long lives...there must be a limit to what we will do to achieve that.

...but, all these things must come to pass.  You simply cannot stop progress...but, no...it does not represent who/what I am.
I most identify with this post.
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Re: Do you feel represented by your nation?
« Reply #51 on: August 04, 2016, 11:07:20 PM »
I was a alt-right simpathizer, not anymore, except for some minor things that aren't exclusive to alt-rightism.

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Re: Do you feel represented by your nation?
« Reply #52 on: August 04, 2016, 11:13:09 PM »
I was a alt-right simpathizer, not anymore, except for some minor things that aren't exclusive to alt-rightism.
I can relate to that.
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Re: Do you feel represented by your nation?
« Reply #53 on: August 04, 2016, 11:17:07 PM »
I was a alt-right simpathizer, not anymore, except for some minor things that aren't exclusive to alt-rightism.

I lost all respect for the alt-right when race become more important than Culture and Religion to them.  I probably have more in common with a Traditional Arab Christian, than say a White Nationalist.

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Re: Do you feel represented by your nation?
« Reply #54 on: August 04, 2016, 11:28:51 PM »
Yeah, that took the grace out of it certainly.
I'm just not into politics anymore. I'm postponing that, I guess, if I ever plan to come back.
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Re: Do you feel represented by your nation?
« Reply #55 on: August 05, 2016, 12:46:37 AM »
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...but, all these things must come to pass.  You simply cannot stop progress...but, no...it does not represent who/what I am.
You absolutely most definitely can.

Think of the many Empires that collapsed almost overnight and lapsed into a "dark" age.
This fella is looking at your post.


OK, I give up. Who is he?
Oswald Spengler, he observed patterns the rise, peak and colapse of great civilisations, launching a short-living historiographic movement of "morphological historians", expanding Danilevsky's insights on cultural cyclicism. I thought you sounded like the kind of guy who reads him. I find his The Decline of the West, along with Man and Technics, essential.

I've read bits and pieces of The Twilight of the West.  I find his idea of there being a difference between civilization and culture (culture stops developing after the civilizational state) and a juxtaposition between German duty culture and British money culture to both be interesting.  This could be part of why many in western countries, especially those with non-Marxist 'socialist' leanings might feel unrepresented by the current globalist/materialist un-culture.
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Re: Do you feel represented by your nation?
« Reply #56 on: August 05, 2016, 07:34:14 AM »
What really bugs me in alt-rightism is that fails to provide good answers to problems, it seems to me that is just pure racial/cultural collectivism with a bit of neo-paganism, environmentalism, personality cult and some comunist/socialist ideas that I abhorre. The anti-west thing is also disturbing, usually, alt-right puts Western Civilization as the same thing as gay militancy, multi-culturalism, NATO, american foreign policy, pop culture...it is not. Western Civilization is basically judaeo-christian morality and values with greek-roman culture, and as far as I know, the Eastern orthodox church is also part of this heritage.

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Re: Do you feel represented by your nation?
« Reply #57 on: August 05, 2016, 02:37:40 PM »
To what extent do you feel your nation's government, media, or marketing represent your personal values and ideologies?

I don't aim to get political; government is mentioned as it applies to a nation's culture and whether it is an accurate reflection of you youself.

Sweden

Most famous for:
ABBA — I dislike their lyrics
IKEA — I can't afford to shop there unless I get a job
meatballs — I am vegetarian
Zlatan Ibrahimoviç (football player) — yes absolutely, we were born the same year and our noses have similar shape

Seriously though:
Newspapers in Sweden get corresponding to ca €50m in tax-financed subsidies, handed out by a government agency, in order to assist the (established) political parties in forming the people's opinions. The political parties hand out another ca €15m tax-financed.

In addition, state-controled TV and radio is mostly funded with fees and/or taxes — ca €700m. Their leadership is appointed by a foundation ``Förvaltningsstiftelsen för SR, SVT och UR'' so that politics may not interfere with the organizations. However, the leaders of the foundation are appointed by the government....... (sources: mostly wikipedia)

Since ordinary people don't have access to credible news and they have mostly replaced their own thoughts with a correct answers section from the establishment, it seems hard to define what would represent the Swedish people. Most people in the countryside seem to feel like everything the elite in Stockholm comes up with is diametrically opposite to their wishes. But they change their mind after a while because they are humble and realize that so powerful media can't be wrong. I have never voted. I don't have a TV. Where can I move to get a better life?

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Re: Do you feel represented by your nation?
« Reply #58 on: August 05, 2016, 09:36:26 PM »
What really bugs me in alt-rightism is that fails to provide good answers to problems, it seems to me that is just pure racial/cultural collectivism with a bit of neo-paganism, environmentalism, personality cult and some comunist/socialist ideas that I abhorre. The anti-west thing is also disturbing, usually, alt-right puts Western Civilization as the same thing as gay militancy, multi-culturalism, NATO, american foreign policy, pop culture...it is not. Western Civilization is basically judaeo-christian morality and values with greek-roman culture, and as far as I know, the Eastern orthodox church is also part of this heritage.

It's ironic considering how homoerotic the alt-right actually is. The de facto alt-right gathering at the RNC in Cleveland was billed as a gay event, and featured posters of young male models wearing nothing but Make America Great Again hats. Most of the guests were not actually gay (at least not openly) but instead the grouping read like a who's who of the alt-right. In addition, Jack Donovan, a precursor to and major influence on the movement, is a very very macho homosexual (or "androphile" as he prefers to identify). What they have a problem with isn't homosexuality, per se, but rather the wrong kind of it (in their view).



On a somewhat tangential note I would also argue that there are probably at least two Western civilizations, since the USA and the rest of the Anglosphere also have a very strong tradition of limited government and personal freedom, more so than continental Europe. (Brexit may have partly been a manifestation of this cultural incompatibility, although that might be getting a bit too far into Politics territory, sorry). Also the USA is a New World country and so it has always lacked the kind of unified natural culture that Old World societies have, instead always having been more of a melting pot/salad bowl.
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Re: Do you feel represented by your nation?
« Reply #59 on: August 06, 2016, 02:20:28 PM »
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It's ironic considering how homoerotic the alt-right actually is. The de facto alt-right gathering at the RNC in Cleveland was billed as a gay event, and featured posters of young male models wearing nothing but Make America Great Again hats. Most of the guests were not actually gay (at least not openly) but instead the grouping read like a who's who of the alt-right. In addition, Jack Donovan, a precursor to and major influence on the movement, is a very very macho homosexual (or "androphile" as he prefers to identify). What they have a problem with isn't homosexuality, per se, but rather the wrong kind of it (in their view).


It is kinda true, one of the most admired personalities within the alt-right is Yukio Mishima, who was a bissexual, poet, actor and terminate his own life in the samurai style. But I think alt-right generally stands for classical beauty standards, with some folklore in it, ethnic beauty and ethnic pride, at least some facebook alt-right pages that I know shows a lot of pictures of handsome and beautiful men and women wearing traditional garments or military uniforms.

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Re: Do you feel represented by your nation?
« Reply #60 on: August 06, 2016, 03:54:31 PM »
You mean the administration right? Do I feel represented by my state's administration? No I don't. At all. The Modern Greek State is repressive, opressive, broke, polyphobic and -sometimes- undemocratic.
Do I feel represented by my nation? 100% yes, the former does not identify with the latter, nation is something much broader defined by Herodotus some 2,500 years ago.
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Re: Do you feel represented by your nation?
« Reply #61 on: August 06, 2016, 06:34:48 PM »
I find it funny that cuckservatives are actually more "homophobe" than the "nazis" in the alt-right.
Donovan is a great read. So is Mishima.
You guys forgot about Yiannopoulos who has been called the darling of the alt-right, but he seems like some liberal to me, even though I like some of his criticisms.
I think the alt-right is a great renewal of things - no more establishment politics. Their critique of the West is valid, I just wish they didn't go too far on the race thing.
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Re: Do you feel represented by your nation?
« Reply #62 on: August 06, 2016, 07:38:26 PM »
I don't know what a cuckservative is or what the alt-right is. This all sounds way too confusing.
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Re: Do you feel represented by your nation?
« Reply #63 on: August 06, 2016, 08:13:26 PM »
I don't know what a cuckservative is or what the alt-right is. This all sounds way too confusing.

Imagine if Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly had a less observant and more nuance-averse child, sent it to Tea Party High School, and then helped him get a job working for an organization named "Manly Men Fighty Fighty for the Best Ug Tough Whitish Guy Rights"...  this isn't an exact description, but is close enough to give you an idea of whether you really want to dig any deeper with this ;)
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Re: Do you feel represented by your nation?
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