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Eccumenical Council
« on: June 08, 2016, 10:52:12 AM »
So now that Antioch has dropped out in addition to the Bulgarian church, this Council is merely a gathering of the heads of "Most" of the Orthodox Churches. Nothing will get accomplished because even if something is passed, it wont be passed unanimously. This is a good indicator that there is also no chance in H E double hockey sticks there will ever be unity in the Orthodox Churches here in the US. If Antioch wont attend because of a dispute over one parish with the Patriarchate of Jerusalem, then imagine the troubles here of All the ethnic parishes in the US uniting...a Greek Parish under a Serbian Bishop, a Bulgarian Parish under a Greek, etc etc. Sad but the truth. All of you Pan-Orthodox people out there that call for an end to ethnic, nationalistic parishes, you have the OCA and to a lesser extent ACROD and maybe the UOCUSA-EP as that is the direction they are heading.

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Re: Eccumenical Council
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2016, 11:34:27 AM »
No council in history has had all the local Churches in attendance, and the overwhelming majority of councils have never been explicitly affirmed by all the local churches (in their entirety, anyway), even the ones called 'Ecumenical Councils.' Unanimity in religion is like falsifiability in science... it's a nice concept in theory, but not nearly as useful or reasonable in practice.
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Re: Eccumenical Council
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2016, 11:39:04 AM »
No council in history has had all the local Churches in attendance, and the overwhelming majority of councils have never been explicitly affirmed by all the local churches (in their entirety, anyway), even the ones called 'Ecumenical Councils.' Unanimity in religion is like falsifiability in science... it's a nice concept in theory, but not nearly as useful or reasonable in practice.


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Re: Eccumenical Council
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2016, 11:40:01 AM »
All of you Pan-Orthodox people out there that call for an end to ethnic, nationalistic parishes . . .
You say that as if it's a bad thing.
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. . . you have the OCA and to a lesser extent ACROD and maybe the UOCUSA-EP as that is the direction they are heading.
Glad I've hitched my wagon to the UOCUSA then (although I don't really see evidence of us becoming less ethnic or nationalistic in the short term).

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Re: Eccumenical Council
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2016, 11:57:33 AM »
In my view, the OCA probably has the best hope for becoming THE Orthodox Church in North America. I would also wager that it would have the capacities to facilitate the ethnic and liturgical concerns of all parishes under its jurisdiction. It would be difficult no doubt.
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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2016, 12:51:38 PM »
In my view, the OCA probably has the best hope for becoming THE Orthodox Church in North America.

On paper it might look that way, but I don't think the unification, if it happens, will happen from one existing jurisdiction absorbing the others.
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Re: Eccumenical Council
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2016, 01:33:14 PM »
All of you Pan-Orthodox people out there that call for an end to ethnic, nationalistic parishes . . .
You say that as if it's a bad thing.
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. . . you have the OCA and to a lesser extent ACROD and maybe the UOCUSA-EP as that is the direction they are heading.
Glad I've hitched my wagon to the UOCUSA then (although I don't really see evidence of us becoming less ethnic or nationalistic in the short term).

I hope the UOCofUSA doesn't become less ethnic or nationalistic.  It is the perfect blend.

We have "Ukrainian" churches for those areas with a huge crowd of immigrants....and yet, we have a number of English speaking parishes, where Ukrainian is not the common language.  We also have parishes, where Spanish is used, and Romanian....all depending on the language of the faithful that attend the services.

We also have mission churches...that cater to the local community, bringing the good news to new areas.

We are a vibrant and dynamic jurisdiction.  While I am equally "at home" in any Orthodox Church, I prefer my own.
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Re: Eccumenical Council
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2016, 08:45:51 PM »
I have heard so many definitions of "ecumenical":

1.  Attended by all local churches of the world
2.  Talks about Christology
3.  Infallible
4.  The Roman bishop has to be involved
5.  The Roman emperor has to be involved

When will there be an ecumenical council that dogmatically defines ecumenicity?
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Re: Eccumenical Council
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2016, 08:48:44 PM »
I have heard so many definitions of "ecumenical":

1.  Attended by all local churches of the world
2.  Talks about Christology
3.  Infallible
4.  The Roman bishop has to be involved
5.  The Roman emperor has to be involved

When will there be an ecumenical council that dogmatically defines ecumenicity?


There won't.  But we can send you a document that you won't like but we will agree to in your absence 
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Re: Eccumenical Council
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2016, 09:01:49 PM »
If you can even agree
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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2016, 09:02:40 PM »
If you can even agree


Doesn't matter....only one party needs to send the documents that you all have already agreed to and cannot be changed.

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Re: Eccumenical Council
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2016, 09:10:20 PM »
The ecumenical document!
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Re: Eccumenical Council
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2016, 01:31:26 AM »
I have heard so many definitions of "ecumenical":

1.  Attended by all local churches of the world
2.  Talks about Christology
3.  Infallible
4.  The Roman bishop has to be involved
5.  The Roman emperor has to be involved

When will there be an ecumenical council that dogmatically defines ecumenicity?

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