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« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2005, 09:20:09 PM »

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I think eggs have been demonized for too long.
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« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2005, 09:28:25 PM »

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I think eggs have been demonized for too long.

Well, they are high in cholesterol.  If you just eat the whites, though, they're much healthier, as well as having very few calories.

To egg whites!!!
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« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2005, 10:00:11 PM »

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Yeah, thanks guys. Our Dormition Fast just started...but the root beer sounds good. Think I'll go raid the 'fridge.

Wouldn't the Dormition fast be on Saturday? (it would in the West if they still had one).

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Well, they are high in cholesterol.

It's good cholesterol, though, but the kind in olive oil is even better.
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« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2005, 10:32:46 PM »

Wasn't cholersterol anathematized in the 9th century.  Grin
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« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2005, 12:59:16 AM »

I like Guiness, so that's fine with me.... time for a pint!
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« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2005, 08:48:46 AM »

Guys:

Roy can't leave this website. I think that he thinks he is doing us a great service by expounding his beliefs and interpretations in the hope that some of us will "see the light" and convert to his way of thinking. My main concern is that weaker or newer members to the faith and to this site, especially those coming from evangelical backgrounds where anything goes, will get sucked into his babble. In another thread he quotes the Essene Gospel Grin . Go figure. Anyway, on the flip side, if Roy does stop posting on this site I'll miss all of the cogent rebuffs given by my other Orthodox brothers and sisters. Yet, appeals to him seem worthless. It's like talking to an alcoholic who does not seem to think that he has a drinking problem.
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« Reply #51 on: August 16, 2005, 09:02:35 AM »

Yet, appeals to him seem worthless. It's like talking to an alcoholic who does not seem to think that he has a drinking problem.

Alcoholic?  Reminds me of a T-Shirt I once saw.

"I'm not an alcoholic.  I drink, I get drunk, I fall down... see, no problem".  or

"I'm not an alcoholic.  Alcoholics go to meetings".
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« Reply #52 on: August 16, 2005, 12:38:05 PM »

posted in the "my heart" thread as well:

gh7 has a point, folks.  It's one thing simply to read and then ignore year2027's posts; no one HAS to read them in the first place.  It's another thing to go into this passive-agressive thing (at least, I think that's what this is) and deliberately go way off topic.  The former reaction leaves no opinion whatsoever about the speaker.  The latter openly states, "You don't matter; your thoughts don't matter; they are worth less than talking about this kind of food or drink."

I don't want to say you can't think this.  Many of us do think Roy's thoughts are way out of line with what the Bible and the Church teach.  But let's practice silence in the future.  It's more fitting of us as Orthodox, anyways...

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« Reply #53 on: August 29, 2005, 04:20:00 PM »

I am sorry I have been offline, but have seen Roy banned now on this forum.ÂÂ  I also see a breath of hope with Choirfriend and Pedro, and what was posted, that all of you are not in your stomach's, flesh.....that Rachel indeed wept in the desert for all the children that were not, and He has wept.....for all His children, that are not and need to be and should be deep in Him...for He has been outside many people's doors and has the daughter of Zion right alongside with Him that people are not letting in or going into His body....stuck in the world's ways and systems which are not His...and they are caught up into this, simply because they will not go into the wilderness with him.....or up the mountain....

Lead us up the mountain, lead us to a place your Glory dwells God.....(coming forth through Matt Redman)

There are three that bear witness and they are one, but there is a doubling that people forget, there are three in Heaven and three in earth (1John 5:7-8) and the one in earth is the river of life, we have within us...the blood the water the Spirit .....and the world's orthodox system is not His, and I can see from this forum, through out this post, that indeed there are many who say they are His, behave in ways, that tell me and speak to me, they are not His.ÂÂ  And if You were, You would be in His Spirit, there is no way you would be writing what you are writing and wasting a lot of people's time, who come here and do want to discuss about Lord Jesus Christ, and I won't even go down the path of alcoholism..... And for the one that is concerned about all the people that are new in the faith and concerned about what Roy posts or posted, I would be a lot more concerned at present with this forum's inability to be loving and graceful.ÂÂ  And if you don't like something, mate lets kick it out, or lets do the woman caught in adultery thing.........when the truth is, each one of you need to search your own hearts.....and so what does come to me is about the woman caught in adultery and they wanted to stone her.ÂÂ  Anyway, it is about casting the first stone and being without sin.........and also about being down right pharisees and saudeecees, unloving.
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We alsoÂÂ  need to remember we are all in our process, everyone has error/s in their lives, everyone is in error in their walk, and everyone all fall short of the Glory of God, otherwise why would we need Lord Jesus Christ if it was not so.....and that includes the errors of the earthly body, that masquerades itself as the body of Christ, that people look at it, and think it is the authentic when it is not....It is just a form with no power.ÂÂ  And I am so glad it is so, for His Body, His beautiful Bride of Zion, is a beautiful royal diadem on His head is also in Her process and who will be and is being raised up from the wilderness and people will be astonished by what will come out of Her ...and also please remember when David was going through his thing with Saul, he would not violate, or harm Saul in anyway, even though Saul was in error....because Saul was God's annointed, and He was deeply greived when Saul and Johnathon was killed for the message is this....

touch not my annointed, do my prophets no harm, for this is my body.....

And if u were really interested in reaching Roy for Him, you would have reached out in Lord Jesus Christ's love, you would have born fruit, you would have understood process and Roy would have heard you as you would have heard him.....and you would not have treated him badly......for what Roy was concerned about, that the Love of Him, was not flowing out of you and this forum.....and that you were not operating in the fullness of His Spirit.....

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« Reply #54 on: August 29, 2005, 04:49:08 PM »

OKAAAAAAAY  I THINK WE GOT ANOTHER ONE Roll Eyes
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« Reply #55 on: August 29, 2005, 06:13:15 PM »

No u don't have another one  Cheesy

....for I am His and He is mine..... Grin


And why are u not living the orthodox teachings...that u r required to live?  but caught up into hypocrasy aserb.......unless the orthodox system is not a true system....for people bear the fruit of what they are caught up into.... 

And isn't the orthodox system is about that people in this system live in the purity of Him and His truth and His teachings and His Church the body of Christ.....and are suppose to be ambassadors for Christ?  And doesn't that require to welcome strangers, and for those that did, were entertaining angels unaware....for His angels are ministering spirits.  And doesn''t also require to write about Him?

And why are u not being loving aserb?  For ur one sentence response reveals more than u think it does....His light shows up so much

How u treat His people is how u treat Him.....

This song has come to me at present....and in Honour of our Lord Jesus Christ, who bore the weight our sins and punishment and died to set us free....

On this altar I stand
With my hands lifted High,
I want to draw close to You
Your Joy in my life

I Call with all the angels
and singing songs of Praise
Feel your love surround me
Wash my fears away

How I love to
how I love to sing about You
And Your peace falls down

How I love to
How I love to sing About You
And Your love shines down

How I love to sing about You

and Peace falls down....

Holy Holy Holy Holy Holy Holy Holy.......(coming forth through Chris O'brian)

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« Reply #56 on: August 29, 2005, 08:10:50 PM »

I think graceheart is Roy

Zion Abraham HuhHuhHuhHuhHuh?

Be nice gracie, your last post was mean spirited.
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« Reply #57 on: August 29, 2005, 08:21:44 PM »

I think graceheart is Roy

Ditto.  Think Bobby could check up on the IP address?
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« Reply #58 on: August 29, 2005, 09:27:52 PM »

me three.   Smiley
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« Reply #59 on: August 29, 2005, 11:55:37 PM »

U r wrong and in error....Roy and I are not the same person, nor do we live in the same area.

and Aserb u need to becareful about saying His people are being mean spirited....for if we have Him, we have His Spirit within us, which is a part of His river of Life....the oxygen and breath part....and we breathe in Him....and that Spirit is not mean.
Also no where in the bible does it call us to be nice, loving yes, kind yes, nice no....and Jesus at times said things that upset people....like get thee behind me satan when dealing with Peter and calling the pharisees blind guides that strain out a gnat while swallowing a camel.....

 ÃƒÆ’‚ Satan is nice when he wants to deceive u.....and u r not even being nice, nor were u to Roy, being kind, loving  nor were u graceful.....we are required to be loving

We are called to speak Truth in the Spirit of Him, as He moves us and this always ties in with His written word when we are not in error but in the beauty of Him and follow what He gives us and don't judge it, for we have only one judge......

And I am not Gracie....for Grace is named after His Spirit of Grace, of which u r being given at the moment...Heart is named after His heart and 7 is the number of Spirits of the Holy Ghost...and Zion after His daughter and Bride and the new Jerusalem; Abraham, u can go and ask Him about that...and if u were deep in Him, u would have recognised this, instead of having a go at the name.

And so the question to u is this, why r u not loving?  But being condescending? ÂÂ

blessed r they that call u evil and will depart company from u, and Roy did receive a huge blessing when he got banned from this board, for he no more has to deal with u...and u r in the hands of our maker.....the potters' at present....

and as I said before u really r unwise for u do not know what this season is....



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« Reply #60 on: August 30, 2005, 07:05:55 AM »

Okay, Roy and Gracie's repeated condemnations of all of us for attempting to instruct Roy have been bugging me and I think I've finally figured out why.

It's the double standard of the whole thing.  The whole "When I criticize you, I'm rebuking you in love, but when you criticize me, you're showing how black-hearted you are" attitude that they show.  It boils down to the standpoint that whatever the "in-group" does is inviolable and God-filled, not because of any objective Truth, but because it's the "in-group."  It's a lot like that clique of high school girls who decide what's cool and what's not simply because they say it is.  What Roy and Gracie claim is essentially that when Roy came here and started proclaiming his truth, he was preaching as a result of the Holy Spirit, but when we responded with the Truth proclaimed by the Church, we were pushing our beliefs on him and weren't in Christ.  That when Roy started telling us to come and kill him, he was submitting to our abuse, but when we stopped trying to engage in serious discussion with him, we were being inhospitable.  What Roy and Gracie claim, in essence, is that we're wrong not because of any outside, objective, absolute truth, but because we're not part of their clique.  If we're part of that group, we can do no wrong, but if we're not, we can do no right.  Thus, when they do something, it's good and holy and done out of Christian love; if we do the exact same thing, its evil and of Satan and done to our own condemnation.

You can't discuss, or instruct, or rebuke, or even argue with someone whose purpose is simply to condemn you, regardless of what you do.  You can only disengage from it and refuse to interact with it.
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« Reply #61 on: August 30, 2005, 07:37:49 AM »

Dear Veniamin

You are absolutely correct! I could not have said it better myself. Thank you.

Btw. I also get the distinct feeling Gracie and Roy are the same person,... I mean just LOOK at their posts,..

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« Reply #62 on: August 30, 2005, 08:28:22 AM »

VEN:

Hear Hear.  You are correct.  THank you
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« Reply #63 on: August 30, 2005, 08:29:10 AM »

They do have quite different IP addresses though.
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« Reply #64 on: August 30, 2005, 08:31:49 AM »

OK  They be different people. But they are the same in spirit. Maybe we should stop engaging  them since we do not know who or what we are dealing with.
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« Reply #65 on: August 30, 2005, 09:08:40 AM »

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 It's another thing to go into this passive-agressive thing (at least, I think that's what this is) and deliberately go way off topic. The former reaction leaves no opinion whatsoever about the speaker. The latter openly states, "You don't matter; your thoughts don't matter; they are worth less than talking about this kind of food or drink."

I don't want to say you can't think this. Many of us do think Roy's thoughts are way out of line with what the Bible and the Church teach. But let's practice silence in the future. It's more fitting of us as Orthodox, anyways...

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Silence means assent.

We had tried to discuss Roy's views with him, and actually he was the one who ignored our posts, in effect stating that we don't matter,and the teachings of the Fathers and the Church are trumped by whatever notions he has in his head.

We had tried to correct him, tried to gently admonish him, just as St. Paul instructed us, but nothing would work. Until the time we could actually get him thrown out of our little assembly, the best way to isolate him was to discuss other things.

As we learned in the 1930's, and perhaps are learning now with the Kosovars and the Islamic Radicals, to borrow a quote:'All that is needed for evil to prevail is for good to do nothing'. Yes, there are times when silence is called for, but when someone willfully and egregiously disturbs the conversations here to force upon others his self-originated heresies, that is not the time to be silent.

We must do our best to provide a witness for the Church. Usually this is done on my part quietly, but not this time.
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« Reply #66 on: August 30, 2005, 09:29:18 AM »

can I get fries with that? 
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« Reply #67 on: August 30, 2005, 09:38:51 AM »

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U r wrong and in error....Roy and I are not the same person, nor do we live in the same area.


Sorry if we confused you with Roy...I also would have been insulted at such a comparison.

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and Aserb u need to becareful about saying His people are being mean spirited....for if we have Him, we have His Spirit within us, which is a part of His river of Life....the oxygen and breath part....and we breathe in Him....and that Spirit is not mean.

You are unclear, but seem to be indicating that you (notice I go to all the trouble to completely spell out that word) and Roy share the same spirit. I think both of you do have the same spirit in you...but that is a spirit who wishes to possess you, not bring you to truth.

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Also no where in the bible does it call us to be nice, loving yes, kind yes, nice no....and Jesus at times said things that upset people....like get thee behind me satan when dealing with Peter and calling the pharisees blind guides that strain out a gnat while swallowing a camel.....

 ÃƒÆ’‚ Satan is nice when he wants to deceive u.....and u r not even being nice, nor were u to Roy, being kind, loving  nor were u graceful.....we are required to be loving

Indeed! We are required to love one another. If a mother let her children play in the middle of an Interstate, we would be shocked, and probably wonder why the mother does not love her children to endanger them so. This is why we tried to correct 'Roy', but he would not tolerate correction. Similarly, things which try to deceive cannot stand light and truth, and so they argue and create a fuss. Just look at Roy's posts as an example of their response...

Also, you are saying we are being mean, and that Satan is nice when he tries to deceive people. By this reasoning, we cannot be in league with the Evil One seeking to deceive Roy, if we are not being 'nice'. His protests against what we said, though, show him to be thoroughly trying to deceive all of us...including you

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We are called to speak Truth in the Spirit of Him, as He moves us and this always ties in with His written word when we are not in error but in the beauty of Him and follow what He gives us and don't judge it, for we have only one judge......

 

We are called to test spirits and visions that claim to speak Truth. Roy apparently did not do so. We showed that whatever spirit is speaking to him does not speak the Truth. You, however, defend him and whatever jibberish is being spoken. This places you on the side of 'not Truth'...

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And I am not Gracie....for Grace is named after His Spirit of Grace, of which u r being given at the moment...Heart is named after His heart and 7 is the number of Spirits of the Holy Ghost...and Zion after His daughter and Bride and the new Jerusalem; Abraham, u can go and ask Him about that...and if u were deep in Him, u would have recognised this, instead of having a go at the name.

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You can keep to yourself whatever spirit it is that inhabits you and Roy. I am not interested in that kind of 'sharing'...

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And so the question to u is this, why r u not loving?  But being condescending? ÂÂ

blessed r they that call u evil and will depart company from u, and Roy did receive a huge blessing when he got banned from this board, for he no more has to deal with u...and u r in the hands of our maker.....the potters' at present....


By trying to bring Roy to the Truth, we were showing great love for him, and yet he refused our love.

And, apparently by your reasoning, we showed our great love for Roy once again by banning him, blessing him as well as we are able to do.

You should be pleased with us!

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and as I said before u really r unwise for u do not know what this season is....



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Sorry about the poor job on inserting quotes, folks...I can hardly wait until this 'computer fad' goes away so I can return to my beloved quill pens... Sad

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« Reply #69 on: August 30, 2005, 10:20:48 AM »

They do have quite different IP addresses though.

well whether its the same person or not, we will never know, but it is possible for it to be the same person posting on two different computers. i post from work and from home, hence two IP addresses. if one was careful enough, they could have two names, two email addresses, and two computers and make it look as if its different people posting by being very careful as to sign on under a particular name on a particular computer. anybody could do it.

i could care less if its the same person or not, cuz i dont even read what either of them write. i just read the responses  Smiley makes the day go by faster and i dont fill my head with garbage.
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« Reply #70 on: August 30, 2005, 10:21:38 AM »

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They do have quite different IP addresses though.

Which means different computers are being used, not that they are different persons. Me and my wife participate in these forums, and we do so on different computers, in fact, three different computers sometimes. That is, if I use one computer rather than the other, I can have very different IP-addresses.

However, I usually just use the same computer, but not necessarily and not always.

I would not put it beyond Roy to use different computers. Say,.. a regular one and a laptop? Like I do?

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« Reply #71 on: August 30, 2005, 10:25:36 AM »

Browneyedgirl

I love your sense of humor. I do the same these posts are alternately annoying and amusing. Although there  are some serious and pious Orthodox brothers and sisters on this site, but I feel sometimes that the good responses that they give are going to waste.

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We've all talked at length to both roy and grace. Maybe now we are just using their posts for our own amusement.

Is that wrong?  I don't know.

In the end I think that roy and Grace need to get back on their respective meds and drop their delusions of grandeur.  Do your notice that they always preach.
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We've all talked at length to both roy and grace. Maybe now we are just using their posts for our own amusement.

Is that wrong? I don't know.

In the end I think that roy and Grace need to get back on their respective meds and drop their delusions of grandeur. Do your notice that they always preach.

Once again...

Silence means assent.

Perhaps because I am an inept debater, but I was not using gh7's post for my own amusement.

My POV is that this is the largest board in English on the Internet. It is quite possible that we may have an inquirer investigating Orthodoxy,and come across Year2027's or graceheart7's bizarre ramblings.

If we do not respond; if we do not try to educate; if we do nothing....then we may be doing a serious disservice to that person. For me, when I am in front of Jesus Christ and he asks me why I did not try to clarify things when confronted with these heresies, I want my response to be something more than "I just didn't think it worth my time since Roy didn't seem to want to listen".

Now, we have tried to help out Roy, and he refused this help, so we discussed other things instead. Roy's Champion, who is apparently so enamored with Roy that he has adopted close similarities to Roy's posting style, has accused us of being un-loving. My attempt was to show that we were very loving to him, but he refused us.

This is the record I would like to leave for posterity when others do research here and take note of these two's methods of preaching. We tried to help,and we also upheld the Faith.
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« Reply #73 on: August 30, 2005, 02:27:15 PM »

well my silence does not mean assent. it means that roys posts were to incomprehensible for me. he talks in circles, never has a point, and doesnt write well enough for me to understand half the time. his posts are over my head. i am one of those people that is trying to learn more about orthodoxy (although im not 'new' to it) and i take his posts with a grain of salt. i tried to ask him to clarify when he first started posting, cuz with his first few posts i could see he wasnt all there, but his 'clarifications' were anything but clear. just like any other forum, if you dont like something, dont read it!
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« Reply #74 on: August 30, 2005, 10:52:14 PM »

Different IP does not mean different person, they could quite likely using a dynamic ip (a tracert on the ip's should reveal this); but even if the ip's are traced to different locations, they could still be using two different proxy servers...now determining if that's the case could be slightly more difficult, and may include some bending of various legal statutes.
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« Reply #75 on: August 31, 2005, 12:19:22 AM »

OK

Enough already.

Roy and Graceheart7 whether they are the same or not. They are the same in spirit which is not Orthodox. Inquirers to Orthodoxy be warned! Blogs and the internet are great, but as is noted on this and other threads, if you're an inquirer start with an Orthodox priest.
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« Reply #76 on: August 31, 2005, 12:27:11 AM »

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Roy and Graceheart7 whether they are the same or not. They are the same in spirit which is not Orthodox. Inquirers to Orthodoxy be warned! Blogs and the internet are great, but as is noted on this and other threads, if you're an inquirer start with an Orthodox priest.

Well said! You put in a paragraph what took me much too long to write out. Good on you!
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« Reply #77 on: August 31, 2005, 03:10:32 AM »

everytime i read this thread's title i remember that movie "the coneheads".
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