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New Star Trek TV series coming in 2017!
« on: May 20, 2016, 11:37:33 PM »
Teaser trailer.

Bryan Fuller, the man behind NBC's Hannibal and a writer on both DS9 and Voyager, is going to be showrunner alongside Alex Kurtzman.

While the presence of Kurtzman* makes it difficult for me to share Kayti Burt's hope that this will be return to something more akin to the TV series than the Abramsverse (though Kurtzman does, at least, appear to acknowledge that they need to get back to the show's roots).

Though, when I look back over the episodes that Fuller did the stories for, I find more episodes that I recall liking than not (Mortal Coil, Gravity, Bride of Chaotica, Empok Nor, Living Witness, Fury...) though I notice most of his stories were done with the help of others and of course I don't think he ever did the teleplays themselves, so it still gives me pause. Though with Hannibal, Fuller has shown himself pretty good at surpassing expectation for good or ill, so who knows?

What do you think?







*Not that I absolutely loathe the Abramsverse like wgw seems to, mind. Though, I liked the first one a lot better than I did Into Darkness and I agree that they follow the "dumb action movie mold" more than the best of the TV episodes did.
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Re: New Star Trek TV series coming in 2017!
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2016, 12:02:16 AM »
This. Is. Awesome.

The only thing that could make this more excellent is if they decided to bring back Jean Luc Picard.
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2017, 07:39:55 PM »
Now delayed indefinitely I've heard? I mean, they're filming, so I assume it isn't on the cusp of being canceled...

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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2017, 10:40:52 AM »
I'm still waiting. :)
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2017, 10:45:06 AM »
If it's going to be an extension of the Abrams schlock then it's probably better off not getting off the ground.
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Re: New Star Trek TV series coming in 2017!
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2017, 11:07:01 AM »
Now delayed indefinitely I've heard? I mean, they're filming, so I assume it isn't on the cusp of being canceled...

Scheduling conflict with TWD, I hear.
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Re: New Star Trek TV series coming in 2017!
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2017, 12:45:46 PM »
If it's going to be an extension of the Abrams schlock then it's probably better off not getting off the ground.

I enjoyed the Abrams movies.
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2017, 04:20:43 PM »
As far as I remember Abrams isn't involved, and it takes place in the standard/old timeline. I think it's set at a time just shortly before TOS. It's also on CBS all access or whatever it's called.

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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2017, 01:40:30 PM »
I saw a seemingly legit video showing a new Klingon ship design (to go with the new Klingons themselves). Meh. I am getting more and more pessimistic about this. I didn't want to believe that Fuller gave up being showrunner because the higher-ups were forcing all sorts of trash onto them, but as more details leak out that does seem to be the reality. People are using words like 'soft reboot,' and I'm not even opposed to that if done well. Roddenberry and ST writers never focused on some strict canon that had to be kept, and certain parts of Trek have long been a confused mess. But all this stuff? Ugh.

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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2017, 02:47:11 PM »
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Re: New Star Trek TV series coming in 2017!
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2017, 03:18:31 PM »
I saw a seemingly legit video showing a new Klingon ship design (to go with the new Klingons themselves). Meh. I am getting more and more pessimistic about this. I didn't want to believe that Fuller gave up being showrunner because the higher-ups were forcing all sorts of trash onto them, but as more details leak out that does seem to be the reality. People are using words like 'soft reboot,' and I'm not even opposed to that if done well. Roddenberry and ST writers never focused on some strict canon that had to be kept, and certain parts of Trek have long been a confused mess. But all this stuff? Ugh.

I feel the same way about how the new series appears to be going. 

I think the Trek canon became more of a thing as time progressed, and was clearly in the minds of writers after TNG.  The weight of it can be daunting, I'm sure; but anyone who wades into these waters should be aware of that.  The rumors about CBS's top-down approach to control of the new series, along with the speculation about it being a far departure from the original timeline (and even potentially different than the Abrams movies timeline) don't inspire much confidence in me.  I waded through Enterprise almost as an obligation, and found some parts to be good (and others tiring, including the finale), but if the new one comes out and is a pile of garbage, it won't get me past a second episode (if that).
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Re: New Star Trek TV series coming in 2017!
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2017, 04:30:36 PM »
I saw a seemingly legit video showing a new Klingon ship design (to go with the new Klingons themselves). Meh. I am getting more and more pessimistic about this. I didn't want to believe that Fuller gave up being showrunner because the higher-ups were forcing all sorts of trash onto them, but as more details leak out that does seem to be the reality. People are using words like 'soft reboot,' and I'm not even opposed to that if done well. Roddenberry and ST writers never focused on some strict canon that had to be kept, and certain parts of Trek have long been a confused mess. But all this stuff? Ugh.
Changing Klingons again and new Klingon ship design and who knows what else makes me wonder if the series will be worth it.

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Re: New Star Trek TV series coming in 2017!
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2017, 06:41:29 PM »
I saw a seemingly legit video showing a new Klingon ship design (to go with the new Klingons themselves). Meh. I am getting more and more pessimistic about this. I didn't want to believe that Fuller gave up being showrunner because the higher-ups were forcing all sorts of trash onto them, but as more details leak out that does seem to be the reality. People are using words like 'soft reboot,' and I'm not even opposed to that if done well. Roddenberry and ST writers never focused on some strict canon that had to be kept, and certain parts of Trek have long been a confused mess. But all this stuff? Ugh.

I know Roddenberry was very focused on canon, as it applied to his utopian vision of the future of humankind .
I have read many books that said that his vision of the future was his guiding principle.

He was Inspired by science fiction greats such as Issac Asimov and H.G.Wells.
They both had a solid foundation of principle, along with the fantasy.
Asimov wrote the basis for Data later being accepted as a real officer in the Federation, and not just an assemblage of parts.

That was all Roddenberry .
He was inspired by Asimov canon of laws regarding robots.
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Re: New Star Trek TV series coming in 2017!
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2017, 06:49:27 PM »
I saw a seemingly legit video showing a new Klingon ship design (to go with the new Klingons themselves). Meh. I am getting more and more pessimistic about this. I didn't want to believe that Fuller gave up being showrunner because the higher-ups were forcing all sorts of trash onto them, but as more details leak out that does seem to be the reality. People are using words like 'soft reboot,' and I'm not even opposed to that if done well. Roddenberry and ST writers never focused on some strict canon that had to be kept, and certain parts of Trek have long been a confused mess. But all this stuff? Ugh.
Changing Klingons again and new Klingon ship design and who knows what else makes me wonder if the series will be worth it.

They already tried a lot of gymnastics to bridge the gap between the Klingons of TOS and TNG in Enterprise; if they're changed again, it's a clear break with any reality that currently exists in ST (and, IMO, is a big mistake).
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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2017, 07:14:04 PM »
I saw a seemingly legit video showing a new Klingon ship design (to go with the new Klingons themselves). Meh. I am getting more and more pessimistic about this. I didn't want to believe that Fuller gave up being showrunner because the higher-ups were forcing all sorts of trash onto them, but as more details leak out that does seem to be the reality. People are using words like 'soft reboot,' and I'm not even opposed to that if done well. Roddenberry and ST writers never focused on some strict canon that had to be kept, and certain parts of Trek have long been a confused mess. But all this stuff? Ugh.

I know Roddenberry was very focused on canon, as it applied to his utopian vision of the future of humankind .
I have read many books that said that his vision of the future was his guiding principle.

He was Inspired by science fiction greats such as Issac Asimov and H.G.Wells.
They both had a solid foundation of principle, along with the fantasy.
Asimov wrote the basis for Data later being accepted as a real officer in the Federation, and not just an assemblage of parts.

That was all Roddenberry .
He was inspired by Asimov canon of laws regarding robots.

I think the Roddenberry thing is, tbh, a bit romanticized. For example in the original series even the most level-headed, like Spock, sometimes had a 'cowboy diplomacy' mentality, shooting first and leaving questions for later; a "western in space" would be pretty boring without some action sequences, after all. I think the "positive vision for the future" Gene supposedly had, along with goody-two-shoes schtick of TNG, has been read back into TOS to some degree. Although, by 'canon' I meant not so much large themes, but moreso details of who was where in the galaxy, when this or that happened, how entire species acted or looked, or character quirks or motivations (one I have mentioned before is how, in later TNG episodes, the idea that Data can't use contractions is made into a significant plot point... despite Data using contractions in the first season).

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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2017, 12:15:34 AM »
I saw a seemingly legit video showing a new Klingon ship design (to go with the new Klingons themselves). Meh. I am getting more and more pessimistic about this. I didn't want to believe that Fuller gave up being showrunner because the higher-ups were forcing all sorts of trash onto them, but as more details leak out that does seem to be the reality. People are using words like 'soft reboot,' and I'm not even opposed to that if done well. Roddenberry and ST writers never focused on some strict canon that had to be kept, and certain parts of Trek have long been a confused mess. But all this stuff? Ugh.

I know Roddenberry was very focused on canon, as it applied to his utopian vision of the future of humankind .
I have read many books that said that his vision of the future was his guiding principle.

He was Inspired by science fiction greats such as Issac Asimov and H.G.Wells.
They both had a solid foundation of principle, along with the fantasy.
Asimov wrote the basis for Data later being accepted as a real officer in the Federation, and not just an assemblage of parts.

That was all Roddenberry .
He was inspired by Asimov canon of laws regarding robots.

I think the Roddenberry thing is, tbh, a bit romanticized. For example in the original series even the most level-headed, like Spock, sometimes had a 'cowboy diplomacy' mentality, shooting first and leaving questions for later; a "western in space" would be pretty boring without some action sequences, after all. I think the "positive vision for the future" Gene supposedly had, along with goody-two-shoes schtick of TNG, has been read back into TOS to some degree. Although, by 'canon' I meant not so much large themes, but moreso details of who was where in the galaxy, when this or that happened, how entire species acted or looked, or character quirks or motivations (one I have mentioned before is how, in later TNG episodes, the idea that Data can't use contractions is made into a significant plot point... despite Data using contractions in the first season).

Let's not forget that Prime Directive. Was it EVER followed in TOS. I think the "western in space" is why I like the Original better. I like sci/fi to have action. I like TNG , but, Picard talks to much. I do think that Enterprise was a pretty good view of reality. Archer was a much more "real" Captain the best of both Kirk and Picard. It was like he had Kirk and Picard on his shoulders whispering to him what to do like the good angel bad angel motif.
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Re: New Star Trek TV series coming in 2017!
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2017, 03:55:49 PM »
I guess my preference for TNG is based on my Utopian hope of a better world, I see no future for mankind in a shooting gallery.
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« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2017, 10:02:23 PM »
Hawt take (spoilers): Well that premiere was god awful. Like Zeus+Odin+Jehovah awful. Fear the Walking Dead was better than that (which I thought was also crap, but that's the best tv premiere burn I can come up with). I was mostly bored, though a little angry, watching it. I don't mind about redesigning Klingons (it was done before, as were redesigns of Ferengi, Borg, and others), how anachronistic the flashy tech is, or the social justice dialogue bits. What I minded was how boring it was, how the dialogue made absolutely no sense at times (usually while trying really hard to sound profound), and the flash-bang-wow-zoom-SPARKLE@!!! editing style. Oooh oh oh oh oooooh and don't forget the un-Starfleet-like twist of the main character assaulting a superior officer and trying to do a mutiny. Gee wow so amazing much unexpecteds! I'm actually kind of glad this is on a paid service from here on out, because now I won't be tempted to watch it again out of some misguided sense of loyalty to the franchise in general. Actually--is there any way I can pay to support it being canceled after the first season? (I guess not since, if the response on Twitter is any indication, many thought this show was just fine and dandy)
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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2017, 12:36:37 AM »
I wasn't sure what to make of the premier.  I never seen a species redesigned as much as the Klingons.   :-\

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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2017, 06:01:02 AM »
Teaser trailer.

Bryan Fuller, the man behind NBC's Hannibal and a writer on both DS9 and Voyager, is going to be showrunner alongside Alex Kurtzman.

While the presence of Kurtzman* makes it difficult for me to share Kayti Burt's hope that this will be return to something more akin to the TV series than the Abramsverse (though Kurtzman does, at least, appear to acknowledge that they need to get back to the show's roots).

Though, when I look back over the episodes that Fuller did the stories for, I find more episodes that I recall liking than not (Mortal Coil, Gravity, Bride of Chaotica, Empok Nor, Living Witness, Fury...) though I notice most of his stories were done with the help of others and of course I don't think he ever did the teleplays themselves, so it still gives me pause. Though with Hannibal, Fuller has shown himself pretty good at surpassing expectation for good or ill, so who knows?

Gaaah! Why'd I say that I liked Fury of all things?? I can't even remember if that was a mistaken substitution for some other episode.



Anyway, I missed the premier. I need to find a way to watch it (Or maybe I'll skip it, I dunno. Sounds pretty bad. Maybe Trek is dead... again...)


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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2017, 06:03:00 AM »
I guess my preference for TNG is based on my Utopian hope of a better world, I see no future for mankind in a shooting gallery.

Even though TNG introduced the ultimate "shooting gallery" species in the Borg?
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« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2017, 06:16:22 AM »
Hawt take (spoilers): Well that premiere was god awful. Like Zeus+Odin+Jehovah awful. Fear the Walking Dead was better than that (which I thought was also crap, but that's the best tv premiere burn I can come up with). I was mostly bored, though a little angry, watching it. I don't mind about redesigning Klingons (it was done before, as were redesigns of Ferengi, Borg, and others), how anachronistic the flashy tech is, or the social justice dialogue bits. What I minded was how boring it was, how the dialogue made absolutely no sense at times (usually while trying really hard to sound profound), and the flash-bang-wow-zoom-SPARKLE@!!! editing style. Oooh oh oh oh oooooh and don't forget the un-Starfleet-like twist of the main character assaulting a superior officer and trying to do a mutiny. Gee wow so amazing much unexpecteds! I'm actually kind of glad this is on a paid service from here on out, because now I won't be tempted to watch it again out of some misguided sense of loyalty to the franchise in general. Actually--is there any way I can pay to support it being canceled after the first season? (I guess not since, if the response on Twitter is any indication, many thought this show was just fine and dandy)

But one of the recurring plot points in TNG (Encounter at Farpoint, Conspiracy, The Drumhead, The Pegasus, Preemptive Strike, Insurrection *throws up in mouth*) and especially in DS9 is that a little principled insubordination up to mutiny is sometimes a good thing. Maybe it's badly handled in Discovery, though. I haven't seen it.
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« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2017, 07:01:47 AM »
Keep in mind that Star Trek TNG's first season is unbearably awful. Not that this proves the new show will improve... in all likelihood it won't.
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« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2017, 08:08:38 AM »
Keep in mind that Star Trek TNG's first season is unbearably awful. Not that this proves the new show will improve... in all likelihood it won't.

This is true. I guess it could still at least become mediocre like post-Season 2 Enterprise, though.

But on the other hand, as I get older and feel myself running out of time to read and watch everything I need to, I find myself losing patience with mediocre.


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« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2017, 10:32:34 AM »
Keep in mind that Star Trek TNG's first season is unbearably awful. Not that this proves the new show will improve... in all likelihood it won't.
I could have found out if CBS kept the show on the network.  I am not interested enough to used paid service to find out which way the show is going.

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« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2017, 12:08:18 PM »
Hawt take (spoilers): Well that premiere was god awful. Like Zeus+Odin+Jehovah awful. Fear the Walking Dead was better than that (which I thought was also crap, but that's the best tv premiere burn I can come up with). I was mostly bored, though a little angry, watching it. I don't mind about redesigning Klingons (it was done before, as were redesigns of Ferengi, Borg, and others), how anachronistic the flashy tech is, or the social justice dialogue bits. What I minded was how boring it was, how the dialogue made absolutely no sense at times (usually while trying really hard to sound profound), and the flash-bang-wow-zoom-SPARKLE@!!! editing style. Oooh oh oh oh oooooh and don't forget the un-Starfleet-like twist of the main character assaulting a superior officer and trying to do a mutiny. Gee wow so amazing much unexpecteds! I'm actually kind of glad this is on a paid service from here on out, because now I won't be tempted to watch it again out of some misguided sense of loyalty to the franchise in general. Actually--is there any way I can pay to support it being canceled after the first season? (I guess not since, if the response on Twitter is any indication, many thought this show was just fine and dandy)

But one of the recurring plot points in TNG (Encounter at Farpoint, Conspiracy, The Drumhead, The Pegasus, Preemptive Strike, Insurrection *throws up in mouth*) and especially in DS9 is that a little principled insubordination up to mutiny is sometimes a good thing. Maybe it's badly handled in Discovery, though. I haven't seen it.

MUTINEH! as the mirror universe Kirk shouted at Spock in the Brig of the original Enterprise in the original series was a common theme.  In the first season, Spock engaged in mutiny, in the second season Kirk disobeyed direct orders, and of course, we had the Mirror Mirror incident, and back in the First Season, the Mutiny of Khan and his fellow supermen, and the mass psychosis mutiny of The Naked Time, among several other episodes on this theme.

When Chekov asks in the beginning of the Season 3 Episode "Has their ever been a mutiny on a starship?" as it becomes evident the crew of USS Defiant killed themselves, and Spock answers "There are no such incidents on record," I LOL.  Even the last episode of TOS, The Turnabout Intruder, features Kirk posessed by a mad femle archaeologist who plans on executing half the senior officers for MUTINEH, as William Shatner liked to scream it, to be conducted in the phaser bay.

Then in the movies, in Star Trek, the Motion Picture, Spock violates orders and hijacks an ejection suit to explore and mind meld with the innards of V'ger, in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, the takeover of USS reliant is technically a mutiny, in which the junior officers are marooned by Chekov and Captain Terrell, stripped of their free will, Star Trek III features Kirk stealing the Enterprise from space dock and Scotty sabotaging the USS excelsior, Star Trek V features a full blown mutiny of the entire crew except Kirk, as Sybok brainwashes each of them, and Star Trek VI features a mutinous conspiracy against the Klingons by Lt. Valeris. 

Mutinies are far more common in the Original Series than Romulans.  They are as common a plot device as the transporter malfunction or the flawed demigod.
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« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2017, 12:36:26 PM »
Anyway, I missed the premier. I need to find a way to watch it (Or maybe I'll skip it, I dunno. Sounds pretty bad. Maybe Trek is dead... again...)

By all means give it a shot if you can find a way of watching... apparently some people really did enjoy it.

SPOILERS ahead...

But one of the recurring plot points in TNG (Encounter at Farpoint, Conspiracy, The Drumhead, The Pegasus, Preemptive Strike, Insurrection *throws up in mouth*) and especially in DS9 is that a little principled insubordination up to mutiny is sometimes a good thing. Maybe it's badly handled in Discovery, though. I haven't seen it.

I think one of the things that threw me was the how and why. It was the main character, who we were supposed to be rooting for, who did it, and she was simultaneously presented as having good motives and probably being right, but also being unhinged. So you were supposed to sympathise because she was (probably) right in her fears, but at the same time it was hard to get behind her when she was being shady and unstable. This wasn't like a standard mutiny storyline, this was more like that time Data got messed up and took over the Enterprise to go and see his brother Lore--you root for Data as a character, but something about what was happening was just off, and you suspected what was going on probably wasn't going to end well.

The other thing about it was, at that point, they had just had exhausted me on the thing where they make characters do things because it's more dramatic, even if it doesn't seem to be necessary. For example at one point the main character left sickbay because she just had to deliver certain info to the bridge, even though her leaving and setting aside treatment was potentially fatal. Why couldn't she warn the captain over the intercom, or ask the captain to come down to sickbay? Why couldn't she at least try? Well, because it was much more dramatic for her to stumble to the bridge to deliver the crucial info, and it was oh so heroic to be willing to sacrifice herself to do so. That was the idea, anyway. But if there was any character building there, to me, it was: this woman is a bit of an idiot, besides being a loose cannon; and the doctor is also a bit of an idiot for not restraining her (the doc does, after all, have the authority to overrules commands of superior officers in such cases).

So by the point of the mutiny attempt, this character just seemed like such a jumble of stuff to me. There's no way I was trusting her or fully getting behind her, even though you could see that she was probably right in what she was saying. It might have been just being exhausted and bored by that point though, maybe I'm completely off base. Maybe if I ever watched it again I'd even see things differently.
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« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2017, 12:48:04 PM »
Has anyone here ever watched Blake's 7? Really fun 70's British scifi show, created by Terry Nation (of Daleks fame) and with the same acclaimed special effects as Doctor Who of the same period. It's basically a very bleak, dystopian Star Trek- imagine the Federation as a cruel totalitarian empire. The heroes are all criminals and terrorists running around in a stolen alien ship before they betray each other and are unceremoniously wiped out in the last episode. Also the love-hate (mostly hate) relationship between villainess Servalan and
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« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2017, 04:33:32 AM »
Ok, I've now seen the first two episodes and....


I liked them alright!


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« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2017, 04:49:20 AM »
Oh, two more things.

The theme sequence is OUTSTANDING and I hope Garth of Izar shows up and acts as nutty as he did in Whom Gods Destroy (probably not going to happen, but I'd like it to).
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It is very nice series.

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« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2018, 12:34:34 AM »
...character quirks or motivations (one I have mentioned before is how, in later TNG episodes, the idea that Data can't use contractions is made into a significant plot point... despite Data using contractions in the first season).

I started rewatching TNG on Netflix and decided to keep track of this. I've watched four episodes according to the official count (three if you count the two hour pilot as a single episode, as Netflix does), and Data has used contractions 9 times up till this point.

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« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2018, 04:07:09 AM »
...character quirks or motivations (one I have mentioned before is how, in later TNG episodes, the idea that Data can't use contractions is made into a significant plot point... despite Data using contractions in the first season).

I started rewatching TNG on Netflix and decided to keep track of this. I've watched four episodes according to the official count (three if you count the two hour pilot as a single episode, as Netflix does), and Data has used contractions 9 times up till this point.

Can I have a copy of that when you're done lol?
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« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2018, 04:09:49 AM »
On Discovery, I still need to watch past the second episode. Still getting over this weird pseudo-PTSD regarding things I was doing immediately before and after the surgery (actually just finished and sent a long email to a friend that I started in late September).
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« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2018, 06:24:04 PM »
I started rewatching TNG on Netflix and decided to keep track of this. I've watched four episodes according to the official count (three if you count the two hour pilot as a single episode, as Netflix does), and Data has used contractions 9 times up till this point.

Can I have a copy of that when you're done lol?

Sure, I'll post it after I'm finished. I've thought it might make a fun little youtube vid, but that probably won't happen as I doubt there's anything out there that would let me copy clips from the Netflix version, and I have no desire to download pirated versions.

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« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2018, 10:32:05 PM »
...character quirks or motivations (one I have mentioned before is how, in later TNG episodes, the idea that Data can't use contractions is made into a significant plot point... despite Data using contractions in the first season).

I started rewatching TNG on Netflix and decided to keep track of this. I've watched four episodes according to the official count (three if you count the two hour pilot as a single episode, as Netflix does), and Data has used contractions 9 times up till this point.

Can I have a copy of that when you're done lol?

I'm about 1/3rd done with season 1 (through episode 8), but I'll post what I've got so far. As an aside, I wish I'd kept track of the number of times someone said "my friend" to a person they barely knew. TNG is obviously infamous for its everyone-gets-along schtick, but it's humorous how frequently and awkwardly the dialogue tries to convince us of it. Anyway, on to the contractions of Mr. Data (using Netflix episode count and time stamps)...

Encounter at Farpoint (e1)
45:30 - “No sir. But at your age, sir, I thought you shouldn’t have to put up with the time and trouble of a shuttlecraft.”
45:55 - “I remember every fact I’m exposed to, sir.”
57:10 - “The rear wall… [Riker: “I can’t see it] …we’re right next to it.”
1:00:30 - “I can't see as well as Geordi, sir, but so far the material seems rather ordinary.”

The Naked Now (e2)
24:45 - “I’m sure he meant now.”

Code of Honor (e3)
29:00 - “He says to the shopkeeper: ‘I’d like a pound of kittilies, please.’ The shopkeeper says: ‘You mean kidneys, don’t you?’ The man says: ‘I said kittilies, diddlelie?’”
29:20 - “Includeling the kiddilies, I’ve told 662 jokes, and you have...”
34:10 - “You’re welcome, sir.”
37:08 - “I’m here to brief you on what he plans.”

The Last Outpost (e4)
3:10 - “Captain, this shouldn’t be.”
36:15 - “I’m afraid not.”

Where No One Has Gone Before (e5)
11:40 - “It’s off the scale, sir.”
16:45 - “Captain, we’re here. Why not avail ourselves of this opportunity for study?”

Lonely Among Us (e6)
40:35 - “The Captain might try to get in in the same way if he’s in trouble.”
41:45 - “He’s in the ship’s circuitry.”

Justice (e7)
1:40 - “I’m reading something off the starboard bow.”
9:30 - “I’ve traced it through our sensor channels, sir.”
11:30 - “I’ve got some information on its first transmission, sir.”
12:00 - “Away team signal has been cut off, captain; we’ve lost contact with our people.”
33:15 - “Definitely not a single entity, if that’s what you mean, sir.”
34:00 - “I’m not aware that I ever babble, sir.”
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« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2018, 09:46:18 PM »
lol, thanks- and my condolences that you had to sit through Code of Honor and Justice...


Looks like I won't be seeing the rest of Discovery any time soon. My mom got rid of CBS All-Access since no one was using it. A good move, I think. It bothers me that CBS is allowed to use Star Trek as a carrot to push a subscription no one would otherwise use. At least back when they tried to do that with Voyager, UPN was a free service.
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« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2018, 07:24:43 PM »
Wasn't planning on posting again about the contractions thing for a while, but after the last few episodes I think this may be all the further I want or need to keep track of this stuff. For three episodes (8-10) there weren't any contractions used, so far as I noticed. Then two popped up in episode 11:

The Big Goodbye (e11)
25:45 - “I’d love to take a gander.”
29:00 - “There’s a programming malfunction.”

In then in episode 12 we had our first "Wat? Data can't be using no darn contractions!!!" story point. Tbh I hadn't realised that it was used this early in the series. It was the first Lore episode, and about halfway through Lore and Data have this exchange:

Lore: “Haven’t you noticed how easily I handle human speech? I use their contractions. For example I say ‘can’t’ or ‘isn’t,’ and you say ‘cannot’ and ‘is not.’... Am I right?”
Data: “Quite true. I keep trying to be more human, and keep failing.” (25:00)

After this Lore incapacitates Data and pretends to be him, trying to trick the crew. Wesley and Lore (pretending to be Data) then have this conversation, reiterating the contractions bit:

Wesley: “If you’d said ‘we’ve been using the sensors’ instead of ‘we have’ I might have suspected you were Lore.”
Lore: “Yes, I do use language more formally than Lore.”  (31:35)

Ok, so the "rule of three" thing is in play here. We were introduced to the idea, and then had it brought up a second time to emphasize its importance in the story, and now we're prepared for a payoff. And so a short time later Lore (still pretending to be Data) lets a contraction slip, in the hearing of Wesley:

Lore: “Beautiful, isn’t it?” (33:45)

This causes Wesley to turn his head dramatically to look at Lore. And having thus been found out by the ensign, Lore eventually had his plans thwarted, despite the silly adults like Riker and Picard refusing to listen to brilliant young Wesley (his mother, on the other hand, just takes his word for it without even hearing his evidence, and does something that could have been very dangerous if Wesley was wrong... but I guess this plot wasn't going to resolve itself and things needed to get moving).

The cherry on this poop sundae comes at the end, when the real Mr. Data and Picard have this exchange:

Picard: “Data, are you alright?”
Data: “Yes sir, I’m fine.” (43:50)

This has to be trolling, right? They couldn't have gotten that wrong, could they? I guess based on the rest of the writing and direction from this season... yeah, yeah they could have, and apparently did.

There are at least two other episodes in which they made a big deal out of Data not being able to use contractions. In s3e16 Data creates his daughter, Lal, who uses a contraction, and Data thinks this is evidence that she has surpassed him since he cannot use them himself; it's an important point because it is presented as an important character moment for data as a parent, and is supposed to increase the sadness of her death a short time later. Another use was in s4e8, in which Riker is tricked by an alien into believing that some fantasy is actually reality, and at the climax of the episode one of the important--perhaps the most important--points that clues Riker in to his being tricked is that the fantasy Data uses a contraction.
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« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2018, 07:26:55 PM »
Forgot to say earlier, I plan on getting the All Access thing at some point, and will just binge watch the show. I've had trouble figuring out if it gets much different, or better, or worse, or what after the pilot episode that I saw, but I'll give it another chance, if for no other reason than if this fails we won't get another reboot attempt for 20 years.

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« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2018, 09:03:10 PM »
Wasn't planning on posting again about the contractions thing for a while, but after the last few episodes I think this may be all the further I want or need to keep track of this stuff. For three episodes (8-10) there weren't any contractions used, so far as I noticed. Then two popped up in episode 11:

The Big Goodbye (e11)
25:45 - “I’d love to take a gander.”
29:00 - “There’s a programming malfunction.”

In then in episode 12 we had our first "Wat? Data can't be using no darn contractions!!!" story point. Tbh I hadn't realised that it was used this early in the series. It was the first Lore episode, and about halfway through Lore and Data have this exchange:

Lore: “Haven’t you noticed how easily I handle human speech? I use their contractions. For example I say ‘can’t’ or ‘isn’t,’ and you say ‘cannot’ and ‘is not.’... Am I right?”
Data: “Quite true. I keep trying to be more human, and keep failing.” (25:00)

After this Lore incapacitates Data and pretends to be him, trying to trick the crew. Wesley and Lore (pretending to be Data) then have this conversation, reiterating the contractions bit:

Wesley: “If you’d said ‘we’ve been using the sensors’ instead of ‘we have’ I might have suspected you were Lore.”
Lore: “Yes, I do use language more formally than Lore.”  (31:35)

Ok, so the "rule of three" thing is in play here. We were introduced to the idea, and then had it brought up a second time to emphasize its importance in the story, and now we're prepared for a payoff. And so a short time later Lore (still pretending to be Data) lets a contraction slip, in the hearing of Wesley:

Lore: “Beautiful, isn’t it?” (33:45)

This causes Wesley to turn his head dramatically to look at Lore. And having thus been found out by the ensign, Lore eventually had his plans thwarted, despite the silly adults like Riker and Picard refusing to listen to brilliant young Wesley (his mother, on the other hand, just takes his word for it without even hearing his evidence, and does something that could have been very dangerous if Wesley was wrong... but I guess this plot wasn't going to resolve itself and things needed to get moving).

The cherry on this poop sundae comes at the end, when the real Mr. Data and Picard have this exchange:

Picard: “Data, are you alright?”
Data: “Yes sir, I’m fine.” (43:50)

This has to be trolling, right? They couldn't have gotten that wrong, could they? I guess based on the rest of the writing and direction from this season... yeah, yeah they could have, and apparently did.

There are at least two other episodes in which they made a big deal out of Data not being able to use contractions. In s3e16 Data creates his daughter, Lal, who uses a contraction, and Data thinks this is evidence that she has surpassed him since he cannot use them himself; it's an important point because it is presented as an important character moment for data as a parent, and is supposed to increase the sadness of her death a short time later. Another use was in s4e8, in which Riker is tricked by an alien into believing that some fantasy is actually reality, and at the climax of the episode one of the important--perhaps the most important--points that clues Riker in to his being tricked is that the fantasy Data uses a contraction.

I think it's more overworked writers and actors forgetting what all they'd done in the past few scripts, especially given how unstable the early days of TNG were (see the documentary, "Chaos on the Bridge"). Especially if some of these lines were ad libbed by Brent Spiner (would Data EVER say "take a gander" even without the thing about contractions?) and it just slipped his mind that he Data wasn't supposed to talk that way.
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« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2018, 12:22:32 PM »
Season One is so bad that I really think it's just best to ignore it from a continuity standpoint wherever possible.
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Re: New Star Trek TV series coming in 2017!
« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2018, 01:32:49 PM »
Season One is so bad that I really think it's just best to ignore it from a continuity standpoint wherever possible.

Agreed. Much of Season 2 (though not all) probably also belongs in that pile.
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Re: New Star Trek TV series coming in 2017!
« Reply #44 on: February 16, 2018, 01:12:57 AM »
One of my favorite internet people, Chuck "SF Debris" Sonnenburg, has begun his reviews of Discovery. He's done the first three episodes so far (though I'm not watching the third video since I haven't seen the episode. Spoiler warnings, of course.

http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/c101.php

http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/c102.php

http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/c103.php



I guess I missed the line in the first episode about how the "Vulcan Hello" was in response to the Klingons blowing up a Vulcan ship, first, and was intended to force the Klingons to leave the Vulcan's alone. So, I guess it makes more sense to me that Sarek would advocate such a ruthless tactic. It is pretty logical and utilitarian, I guess.

Still don't like the dead body bomb. Oh well.
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