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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #90 on: May 06, 2016, 03:06:37 AM »
Yes, like the facts that Lady Diana Spencer was a 15-year-old nobody when Star Wars came out, that Harrison Ford is 40 years older than Prince Harry, and that Indiana Jones debuted on the big screen two years too early for the connection. ::)

Allow me to elaborate for some of the less sophisticated, who might have trouble with these concepts.   Many here obviously know absolutely nothing of how the Illuminati operates.  They are too busy being hypnotized and brainwashed by them, idolizing their agents, like Prince, and watching demonic films like Batman.

The Illuminati plans things out many decades in advance, and in some cases even centuries in advance.  There were plans in place to take down the WTC Twin Towers even before they were built.  The Boston Marathon bombings were planned long before the Tsarnaev brothers were even born.   Sandy Hook was planned before Adam Lanza was born.  The Aurora Dark Knight Rises staged theater shooting psy-op was planned before James Holmes was even born.

The birth of the Antichrist is not the product of a couple of random teenagers that just couldn't control their passions in the backseat of a car.  The Illuminati doesn't just wait for the Antichrist to be conceived/born and then say on a whim, what should we name him? as some kind of afterthought.  There is much advance planning involved.

The fathers teach that the Antichrist is going to have an extensive network of Freemasons supporting him and working to bring him forth.  His manifestation will be the fruit of many decades and even centuries of planning.

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"Yes, like the facts that Lady Diana Spencer was a 15-year-old nobody when Star Wars came out"

That's what naïve people think.  Some of us know better.  They had already planned out Diana's wedding, fake death, etc. long before she was even 15 years old, so you simply do not know what you're talking about.  Go watch the film The Day of the Jackal (1973), which is all about Diana's staged death.  The Illuminati had already settled on the name of the mother of the Antichrist many decades before Diana was born.  The Illuminati works out all the names, all the dates, and places/locations ahead of time, and then implements their plan by filling in the personages to bring their schemes to fulfillment. 

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...that Harrison Ford is 40 years older than Prince Harry, and that Indiana Jones debuted on the big screen two years too early for the connection.

So?  I am telling you all the names were worked out long before Harrison Ford was born, let alone Prince Harry.  The Harrison Ford film Regarding Henry (1991) is regarding Henry.   HRH Prince Henry Charles Albert David, a.k.a. Prince Harry (Potter).   I already stated that Prince Harry's conception and birth were elaborately staged occult rituals, and the dates were already worked out decades in advance.  They specifically chose the day of his conception and birth ahead of time.

I wouldn't expect lovers of this world, including fans of the demon-possessed, effeminate musician Prince to understand any of this.
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #91 on: May 06, 2016, 05:35:26 PM »
Did Prince die of AIDS?

And what's really worse, did he really do nothing about it with all his money because he believed "God would heal him"?

Inquiring minds want to know.......

Prince 'was diagnosed with AIDS six months before he died and refused treatment because he believed God would heal him'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3562640/Prince-diagnosed-AIDs-six-months-died-refused-treatment-believed-God-heal-him.html#ixzz47jydRjh3
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #92 on: May 06, 2016, 05:37:40 PM »
This freak show just got a little more freakier...

Sinéad O’Connor Accuses Arsenio Hall of Supplying Drugs to Prince

Sinéad O’Connor, who once gorgeously sang the Prince-composed “Nothing Compares 2 U,” is making headlines again for her eccentric behavior. The Irish singer went on Facebook yesterday to accuse famed former late-night host and comedian Arsenio Hall of supplying Prince with drugs. Although the cause of Prince’s death hasn’t yet been released, reports claim that officials are looking into a possible drug overdose.

http://www.spin.com/2016/05/sinead-oconnor-arsenio-hall-prince-drugs-death/
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #93 on: May 06, 2016, 05:43:58 PM »
Did Prince die of AIDS?

And what's really worse, did he really do nothing about it with all his money because he believed "God would heal him"?

Inquiring minds want to know.......

Prince 'was diagnosed with AIDS six months before he died and refused treatment because he believed God would heal him'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3562640/Prince-diagnosed-AIDs-six-months-died-refused-treatment-believed-God-heal-him.html#ixzz47jydRjh3
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #94 on: May 06, 2016, 05:46:42 PM »
Did Prince die of AIDS?

And what's really worse, did he really do nothing about it with all his money because he believed "God would heal him"?

Inquiring minds want to know.......

Prince 'was diagnosed with AIDS six months before he died and refused treatment because he believed God would heal him'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3562640/Prince-diagnosed-AIDs-six-months-died-refused-treatment-believed-God-heal-him.html#ixzz47jydRjh3
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Isn't the Daily Mail only one step above the Onion for credibility?
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What makes you think it's true? How can you tell if your only source is a lousy one?
What makes you think it's not?

I told you truth matters not where it comes from.

I could care less if it's a "lousy" source.

At any rate, it's pretty sad if he did have the monster and refused treatment because of some nutty religious belief.
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #95 on: May 06, 2016, 05:55:50 PM »
Did Prince die of AIDS?

And what's really worse, did he really do nothing about it with all his money because he believed "God would heal him"?

Inquiring minds want to know.......

Prince 'was diagnosed with AIDS six months before he died and refused treatment because he believed God would heal him'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3562640/Prince-diagnosed-AIDs-six-months-died-refused-treatment-believed-God-heal-him.html#ixzz47jydRjh3
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Isn't the Daily Mail only one step above the Onion for credibility?
Truth matters not what source it originates from.

What makes you think it's true? How can you tell if your only source is a lousy one?
What makes you think it's not?

I don't know whether it is or not. You seem to be assuming that it is for no good reason.

I told you truth matters not where it comes from.

I could care less if it's a "lousy" source.

But if your only source is a gutter rag full of lies, then you have no way to tell if it's truth or not.

At any rate, it's pretty sad if he did have the monster and refused treatment because of some nutty religious belief.

I'm sure I could find examples of Catholic Saints that were afflicted with the same nuttiness.
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #96 on: May 06, 2016, 07:26:08 PM »
Did Prince die of AIDS?

And what's really worse, did he really do nothing about it with all his money because he believed "God would heal him"?

Inquiring minds want to know.......

Prince 'was diagnosed with AIDS six months before he died and refused treatment because he believed God would heal him'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3562640/Prince-diagnosed-AIDs-six-months-died-refused-treatment-believed-God-heal-him.html#ixzz47jydRjh3
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Isn't the Daily Mail only one step above the Onion for credibility?
Truth matters not what source it originates from.

What makes you think it's true? How can you tell if your only source is a lousy one?
What makes you think it's not?
A positive truth claim must be assumed false until proven true.

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I could care less if it's a "lousy" source.
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #97 on: May 06, 2016, 09:31:38 PM »
Funny. I thought that the only people who are completely lost are those who reject Christ. Since when did belief in Prince's effeminacy and alliance with the devil become part of the Gospel? (IOW, you would do well to not be so insulting to those persons who don't see things as you do.)

Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. (James 4:4)

Friends of Prince, who is clearly an enemy of God, are friends of the world, and hence, enemies of God.  Enemies of God are lost.

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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #98 on: May 06, 2016, 09:35:34 PM »
Funny. I thought that the only people who are completely lost are those who reject Christ. Since when did belief in Prince's effeminacy and alliance with the devil become part of the Gospel? (IOW, you would do well to not be so insulting to those persons who don't see things as you do.)

Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. (James 4:4)

Friends of Prince, who is clearly an enemy of God, are friends of the world, and hence, enemies of God.  Enemies of God are lost.
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #99 on: May 06, 2016, 09:47:25 PM »
Funny. I thought that the only people who are completely lost are those who reject Christ. Since when did belief in Prince's effeminacy and alliance with the devil become part of the Gospel? (IOW, you would do well to not be so insulting to those persons who don't see things as you do.)

Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. (James 4:4)

Friends of Prince, who is clearly an enemy of God, are friends of the world, and hence, enemies of God.  Enemies of God are lost.

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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #100 on: May 06, 2016, 09:56:10 PM »
Do you know what a metaphor is?

I know that Prince is not able to justify recording blasphemous words embracing the devil on the pretext that he was hired to do the soundtrack to a demonic Hollywood film.   Even if the recording was not ultimately released, Prince still sang these demonic words when he recorded the song.  Only a disturbed person and enemy of God would sing lyrics like that.

All the Batman films are totally demonic.   Batman is a gay character, and all who play Batman are well-known effeminates. Why ought we suppose Batman has two horns?

And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. (Revelation 13:11)

Why is the last installment entitled: The Dark Knight Rises?

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise... (Mark 13:22)

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.  (Revelation 13:1)

The two-horned (beast), the Dark Knight...Rises.

Allow me, if you please, to share something else with you.   The Masons use male orphans in literature and in Hollywood to represent types of the Antichrist/Beast.

Heathcliff from Wuthering Heights (Antichrist) ... orphan
Damien (Antichrist in the Omen) ... orphan
Superman (Antichrist) ... orphan
Batman (Antichrist) ... orphan
Spiderman (Antichrist) ... orphan
James Bond (Antichrist) ... orphan
Harry Potter (Antichrist) ... orphan
Will Hunting in Good Will Hunting (Antichrist) ... orphan

All these, and countless more, are types of the Antichrist.

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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #101 on: May 06, 2016, 10:27:17 PM »
All this time you spend "exposing" the work of the "antichrist"... If you spent half that time loving God, you would be a saint.

If some here would spend half as much time loving God as they do Prince, Batman, Hollywood, etc. ...

How do bank tellers learn to spot counterfeits?  By taking all sorts of courses about counterfeit bills?  No, by handling the true currency all day long.  If a bank teller handles thousands of pieces of true currency, they learn to recognize when another piece doesn't look/feel right.

Those who spend a lot of time familiarizing themselves with the true currency (Christ) have little problem spotting a counterfeit (Antichrist).  Those who are ignorant of Antichrist and his devices testify that they are ignorant of Christ.

"For so after the prophets, were the false prophets; and after the apostles, the false apostles; and after Christ, Antichrist. For unless the devil see what to imitate, or against whom to plot, he neither attempts, nor knows how." (St. John Chrysostom)

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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #102 on: May 06, 2016, 10:33:55 PM »
You still didn't answer about Kesha. She is my fave! I love how her glitter sparkles in the sunlight. *sigh*

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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #103 on: May 06, 2016, 10:36:39 PM »
Do you know what a metaphor is?

I know that Prince is not able to justify recording blasphemous words embracing the devil on the pretext that he was hired to do the soundtrack to a demonic Hollywood film.   Even if the recording was not ultimately released, Prince still sang these demonic words when he recorded the song.  Only a disturbed person and enemy of God would sing lyrics like that.

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And the devil said to Him, “All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. Therefore, if You will worship before me, all will be Yours.”

Only a disturbed person and enemy of God could possibly want to write down what the devil said, right?

Prince was not literally advocating dancing with the devil. He's either telling a story in the first person about a villainous character that the audience is not meant to identify with or listen to (who is not even literally talking about the devil even within the context of the story). Or, it's just a metaphor for more of Prince's rockstar hedonism, which I don't defend but I also don't think is evidence of some vast Satanic conspiracy either.

All the Batman films are totally demonic.


If they are then Satan is doing a crappy job considering the fact that the forces of evil lose at the end of just about every story. Yes, Joel Shumacher gays up the atmosphere a lot but I'd say that it makes more stupid and pointless than out and out demonic, not to mention the fact that his two Batman are near-universally loathed.

Batman is a gay character,

No, he's not. Textually, he's been portrayed in relationships with women several times over the years (and not once in a relationship with a man). Subtextually, maybe, but I think if you're going to go that route then there's a stronger argument to be made that he's emotionally frigid and incapable of truly committing to anything outside of his mission, but that doesn't take away from the textual portrayals.

And even if Batman is gay, only a truly hateful homophobe would think that a gay man is incapable of heroism. One can root for a character without approving of their every action.

and all who play Batman are well-known effeminates.

I'd like to see you prove that (and no, "this guy played a homosexual once" doesn't count as proof).

Why ought we suppose Batman has two horns?

Not horns, bat ears.



And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. (Revelation 13:11)

I thought you said Prince Harry was the Antichrist, now the Antichrist is a fictional character? So much for Biblical litteralism.

Why is the last installment entitled: The Dark Knight Rises?

It's not the last installment, either in film or in comics. Are you under the impression that Christopher Nolan created Batman?

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise... (Mark 13:22)

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.  (Revelation 13:1)

The two-horned (beast), the Dark Knight...Rises.

Given that they aren't horns, I offer a simpler explanation for people who don't subscribe to Inforwars- "Rises/Rising" is a popular hack title for a work about a character coming into prominence. In Batman's case, he both literally rises from getting his back broken and getting tossed into a pit by Bane and metaphorically rises from his emotional turmoil and slavery to the mission and into a normal life with Selena Kyle (oh look, another heterosexual romance for Batman!)

Allow me, if you please, to share something else with you.   The Masons use male orphans in literature and in Hollywood to represent types of the Antichrist/Beast.

Heathcliff from Wuthering Heights (Antichrist) ... orphan
Damien (Antichrist in the Omen) ... orphan
Superman (Antichrist) ... orphan
Batman (Antichrist) ... orphan
Spiderman (Antichrist) ... orphan
James Bond (Antichrist) ... orphan
Harry Potter (Antichrist) ... orphan
Will Hunting in Good Will Hunting (Antichrist) ... orphan

All these, and countless more, are types of the Antichrist.

Again, simpler explanation- making the hero an orphan is an easy way to inject the character with both cheap audience sympathy and a sense of freedom since he (or she's, so much for the significance of being male) already "left home on an adventure" so to speak.

Also, a character who is literally the Antichrist doesn't also count as a "type" of the Antichrist, O mangler of literary analysis. First you call Satan an intelligent and meticulous planer then you call him blindingly stupid?
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #104 on: May 06, 2016, 10:38:06 PM »
You do realize you are trying to argue with someone who believes that anyone that isn't geocentric is a heretic, right? I don't think you are going to get too far on the batman debate.
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #105 on: May 06, 2016, 10:44:01 PM »
You do realize you are trying to argue with someone who believes that anyone that isn't geocentric is a heretic, right? I don't think you are going to get too far on the batman debate.

Yeah, I know. I'm just bored/posting for the sake of lurkers.
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #106 on: May 06, 2016, 11:44:28 PM »
You do realize you are trying to argue with someone who believes that anyone that isn't geocentric is a heretic, right? I don't think you are going to get too far on the batman debate.

Yeah, I know. I'm just bored/posting for the sake of lurkers.

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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #107 on: May 07, 2016, 12:32:39 AM »
All this time you spend "exposing" the work of the "antichrist"... If you spent half that time loving God, you would be a saint.

If some here would spend half as much time loving God as they do Prince, Batman, Hollywood, etc. ...
I don't see anyone here effusing such overflowing love for Prince, Batman, or Hollywood, which makes your retort somewhat of a straw man.

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How do bank tellers learn to spot counterfeits?  By taking all sorts of courses about counterfeit bills?  No, by handling the true currency all day long.  If a bank teller handles thousands of pieces of true currency, they learn to recognize when another piece doesn't look/feel right.

Those who spend a lot of time familiarizing themselves with the true currency (Christ) have little problem spotting a counterfeit (Antichrist).  Those who are ignorant of Antichrist and his devices testify that they are ignorant of Christ.
non sequitur - Knowledge of the anti-Christ doesn't prove knowledge of Christ.

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"For so after the prophets, were the false prophets; and after the apostles, the false apostles; and after Christ, Antichrist. For unless the devil see what to imitate, or against whom to plot, he neither attempts, nor knows how." (St. John Chrysostom)
That's a bit of a stretch to think that St. John Chrysostom supports your fascination with the evil one.
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #108 on: May 07, 2016, 12:55:08 AM »
What sayest thou concerning Ke$ha?

What I have written, I have written.

You still didn't answer about Kesha. She is my fave! I love how her glitter sparkles in the sunlight. *sigh*



She has that Illuminati Motel 6 meth hooker look that [you] like.
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #109 on: May 07, 2016, 02:14:00 AM »
Sounds to me like you believe that the devil is smarter than God.

I never said or implied this.

"I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not." (Isaiah 66:4)

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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #110 on: May 07, 2016, 02:21:41 AM »
Sounds to me like you believe that the devil is smarter than God.

I never said or implied this.

"I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not." (Isaiah 66:4)

"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie" (2 Thessalonians 2:11)

And yet you go on and on about the demonic servants' meticulous planning- that they've mapped this all out years and years in advance, but not a word about the servants of God and their capabilities. Do you believe the Orthodox Church has some kind of counter plan in place? Seems like the guardian angels are pretty bad at their job if they let all this happen under their noses.
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I don't know whether it is or not. You seem to be assuming that it is for no good reason.
Yea, like it's impossible to concieve for an "enternainer" like Prince to have died from complications from AIDS........give me a break will ya.

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But if your only source is a gutter rag full of lies, then you have no way to tell if it's truth or not.
I told you the source of truth on a matter is irrelevant if it's true.

Meanwhile, all your "legtimate" sources STILL have no solid confirmation of what he died from, other than "chronic pain".

No kidding, that's what a destructive condition like AIDS causes, chronic pain, amongst many other ailments.


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I'm sure I could find examples of Catholic Saints that were afflicted with the same nuttiness.
When you find one that refused treatment for a deadly sexually transmitted disease because the Church told them so, which eventually took their lives, let me know.

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« Reply #112 on: May 08, 2016, 07:00:41 AM »
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A positive truth claim must be assumed false until proven true.
I agree but meanwhile speculation means something as opposed to getting the run around or all evidence points to a very possible , no probable conclusion.

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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #113 on: May 08, 2016, 01:14:21 PM »
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But if your only source is a gutter rag full of lies, then you have no way to tell if it's truth or not.
I told you the source of truth on a matter is irrelevant if it confirms what I've already chosen to believe.
FTFY ;)

How do you know what's true if you don't know Prince personally?
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #114 on: May 08, 2016, 01:18:16 PM »
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #115 on: May 08, 2016, 04:27:58 PM »
Heathcliff of Wuthering Heights is the Antichrist?  :o

This would be news to Emily Bronte, I should think.
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But if your only source is a gutter rag full of lies, then you have no way to tell if it's truth or not.
I told you the source of truth on a matter is irrelevant if it confirms what I've already chosen to believe.
FTFY ;)

How do you know what's true if you don't know Prince personally?
What's with the words in red? Is that like in the gospels?

And no, I never said it was absolutely true, but if it is, what's it matter where it comes from?
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« Reply #117 on: May 08, 2016, 10:20:35 PM »
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Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see.
Not a good rule of thumb for a Christian.
It is when what you hear and see casts aspersions on the character of another person.
Does that include Jesus?
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #118 on: May 08, 2016, 10:27:26 PM »
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But if your only source is a gutter rag full of lies, then you have no way to tell if it's truth or not.
I told you the source of truth on a matter is irrelevant if it confirms what I've already chosen to believe.
FTFY ;)

How do you know what's true if you don't know Prince personally?
What's with the words in red? Is that like in the gospels?

And no, I never said it was absolutely true, but if it is, what's it matter where it comes from?
Why keep repeating that statement if you don't want us to believe that what you quoted from the British snot rag paper is true?
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #119 on: May 08, 2016, 10:29:09 PM »
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Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see.
Not a good rule of thumb for a Christian.
It is when what you hear and see casts aspersions on the character of another person.
Does that include Jesus?
When did Jesus ever judge a person without perfect knowledge of the person?
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But if your only source is a gutter rag full of lies, then you have no way to tell if it's truth or not.
I told you the source of truth on a matter is irrelevant if it confirms what I've already chosen to believe.
FTFY ;)

How do you know what's true if you don't know Prince personally?
What's with the words in red? Is that like in the gospels?

And no, I never said it was absolutely true, but if it is, what's it matter where it comes from?
Why keep repeating that statement if you don't want us to believe that what you quoted from the British snot rag paper is true?
Because my question to you is, how in the world do you know it's not?

I don't care about the damn rag-paper.

There is still no real  cause of death yet. That's the point.
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« Reply #121 on: May 08, 2016, 10:38:22 PM »
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Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see.
Not a good rule of thumb for a Christian.
It is when what you hear and see casts aspersions on the character of another person.
Does that include Jesus?
When did Jesus ever judge a person without perfect knowledge of the person?
What do you care about what Jesus said or did if you never heard or seen him?

You certainly didn't know him personally.

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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #122 on: May 08, 2016, 11:26:27 PM »
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But if your only source is a gutter rag full of lies, then you have no way to tell if it's truth or not.
I told you the source of truth on a matter is irrelevant if it confirms what I've already chosen to believe.
FTFY ;)

How do you know what's true if you don't know Prince personally?
What's with the words in red? Is that like in the gospels?

And no, I never said it was absolutely true, but if it is, what's it matter where it comes from?
Why keep repeating that statement if you don't want us to believe that what you quoted from the British snot rag paper is true?
Because my question to you is, how in the world do you know it's not?

I don't care about the damn rag-paper.

There is still no real  cause of death yet. That's the point.

So that means that you can just assume that it was AIDS because of the way he allegedly lived and chastise the mainstream media for showing some caution for once?

He wasn't gay, by the way, since I'm sure that you're going to go there next...

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Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see.
Not a good rule of thumb for a Christian.
It is when what you hear and see casts aspersions on the character of another person.
Does that include Jesus?
When did Jesus ever judge a person without perfect knowledge of the person?
What do you care about what Jesus said or did if you never heard or seen him?

You certainly didn't know him personally.

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Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see.

So you think you know Prince the way Jesus does?
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #123 on: May 08, 2016, 11:34:44 PM »
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But if your only source is a gutter rag full of lies, then you have no way to tell if it's truth or not.
I told you the source of truth on a matter is irrelevant if it confirms what I've already chosen to believe.
FTFY ;)

How do you know what's true if you don't know Prince personally?
What's with the words in red? Is that like in the gospels?

And no, I never said it was absolutely true, but if it is, what's it matter where it comes from?
Why keep repeating that statement if you don't want us to believe that what you quoted from the British snot rag paper is true?
Because my question to you is, how in the world do you know it's not?
How do you know it is? I'm not asserting it's not, but you keep wanting to insinuate that it is.

I don't care about the damn rag-paper.

There is still no real  cause of death yet. That's the point.
There's a real cause of death, all right. We just don't know what it is.
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #124 on: May 08, 2016, 11:36:43 PM »
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Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see.
Not a good rule of thumb for a Christian.
It is when what you hear and see casts aspersions on the character of another person.
Does that include Jesus?
When did Jesus ever judge a person without perfect knowledge of the person?
What do you care about what Jesus said or did if you never heard or seen him?

You certainly didn't know him personally.
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« Reply #125 on: May 09, 2016, 07:43:14 AM »
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So that means that you can just assume that it was AIDS because of the way he allegedly lived and chastise the mainstream media for showing some caution for once?
I'm not assuming anything, but the possibility is out there and until they give us some confirmation of the cause of death other than "chronic pain", the speculation continues.

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He wasn't gay, by the way, since I'm sure that you're going to go there next...
I don't have to because you already just did.

BTW, how do you know? Did you know him personally or the way Jesus does?

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So you think you know Prince the way Jesus does?
See above.
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« Reply #126 on: May 09, 2016, 08:04:57 AM »
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How do you know it is? I'm not asserting it's not, but you keep wanting to insinuate that it is.
First of all, I asked a question based on an article, but I believe it is a strong possibility and not such a stretch given his penchant for the strange, lewd and lacivious lifestyle. Not too mention being surrounded by others in th the world of fame and fortune steeped in debauchery, drugs and sexual deviancy. So no, it's not hard to believe he passed through a combination of drug addiction and STD's. But the kicker here was, he apparently belonged to a Christian cult with strange and even dangerous practices when it comes to medical advice and seeking attention when one desperately needs it. And I'm not just speaking arbitrarily here, I personally know people that have made disastrous decisions based on their cultic JW belief system. If Prince did indeed refuse treatment because of some kooky advice, then it is really a sad situation.

Personally  I have nothing against the man, other than I don't believe he was such a great musical talent or of his flippant, flamboyant approach and lifestyle, but he was rather harmless and conducted most of his affairs as privately as he could when he was not seeking attention from the general public like most "entertainers".


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Dodging responsibility for what you say, as usual.
I have answered all your questions directly and refuted any of your false notions of my motivations as usual. Carry on. ;)
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #127 on: May 09, 2016, 11:40:56 AM »
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How do you know it is? I'm not asserting it's not, but you keep wanting to insinuate that it is.
First of all, I asked a question based on an article, but I believe it is a strong possibility and not such a stretch given his penchant for the strange, lewd and lacivious lifestyle. Not too mention being surrounded by others in th the world of fame and fortune steeped in debauchery, drugs and sexual deviancy. So no, it's not hard to believe he passed through a combination of drug addiction and STD's. But the kicker here was, he apparently belonged to a Christian cult with strange and even dangerous practices when it comes to medical advice and seeking attention when one desperately needs it. And I'm not just speaking arbitrarily here, I personally know people that have made disastrous decisions based on their cultic JW belief system. If Prince did indeed refuse treatment because of some kooky advice, then it is really a sad situation.

Personally  I have nothing against the man, other than I don't believe he was such a great musical talent or of his flippant, flamboyant approach and lifestyle, but he was rather harmless and conducted most of his affairs as privately as he could when he was not seeking attention from the general public like most "entertainers".


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Dodging responsibility for what you say, as usual.
I have answered all your questions directly and refuted any of your false notions of my motivations as usual. Carry on. ;)
Answering questions with aggressive questions of your own hardly counts as answering questions directly.
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« Reply #128 on: May 09, 2016, 02:44:49 PM »
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How do you know it is? I'm not asserting it's not, but you keep wanting to insinuate that it is.
First of all, I asked a question based on an article, but I believe it is a strong possibility and not such a stretch given his penchant for the strange, lewd and lacivious lifestyle. Not too mention being surrounded by others in th the world of fame and fortune steeped in debauchery, drugs and sexual deviancy. So no, it's not hard to believe he passed through a combination of drug addiction and STD's. But the kicker here was, he apparently belonged to a Christian cult with strange and even dangerous practices when it comes to medical advice and seeking attention when one desperately needs it. And I'm not just speaking arbitrarily here, I personally know people that have made disastrous decisions based on their cultic JW belief system. If Prince did indeed refuse treatment because of some kooky advice, then it is really a sad situation.

Personally  I have nothing against the man, other than I don't believe he was such a great musical talent or of his flippant, flamboyant approach and lifestyle, but he was rather harmless and conducted most of his affairs as privately as he could when he was not seeking attention from the general public like most "entertainers".


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Dodging responsibility for what you say, as usual.
I have answered all your questions directly and refuted any of your false notions of my motivations as usual. Carry on. ;)
Answering questions with aggressive questions of your own hardly counts as answering questions directly.
I'm sorry sweetie I'll speak softer next time....

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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #129 on: May 09, 2016, 05:04:19 PM »
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How do you know it is? I'm not asserting it's not, but you keep wanting to insinuate that it is.
First of all, I asked a question based on an article, but I believe it is a strong possibility and not such a stretch given his penchant for the strange, lewd and lacivious lifestyle. Not too mention being surrounded by others in th the world of fame and fortune steeped in debauchery, drugs and sexual deviancy. So no, it's not hard to believe he passed through a combination of drug addiction and STD's. But the kicker here was, he apparently belonged to a Christian cult with strange and even dangerous practices when it comes to medical advice and seeking attention when one desperately needs it. And I'm not just speaking arbitrarily here, I personally know people that have made disastrous decisions based on their cultic JW belief system. If Prince did indeed refuse treatment because of some kooky advice, then it is really a sad situation.

Personally  I have nothing against the man, other than I don't believe he was such a great musical talent or of his flippant, flamboyant approach and lifestyle, but he was rather harmless and conducted most of his affairs as privately as he could when he was not seeking attention from the general public like most "entertainers".


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Dodging responsibility for what you say, as usual.
I have answered all your questions directly and refuted any of your false notions of my motivations as usual. Carry on. ;)
Answering questions with aggressive questions of your own hardly counts as answering questions directly.
I'm sorry sweetie I'll speak softer next time....
No, just stop trying to deflect questions with questions. I'm also not your sweetie.
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« Reply #130 on: May 09, 2016, 05:37:11 PM »
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How do you know it is? I'm not asserting it's not, but you keep wanting to insinuate that it is.
First of all, I asked a question based on an article, but I believe it is a strong possibility and not such a stretch given his penchant for the strange, lewd and lacivious lifestyle. Not too mention being surrounded by others in th the world of fame and fortune steeped in debauchery, drugs and sexual deviancy. So no, it's not hard to believe he passed through a combination of drug addiction and STD's. But the kicker here was, he apparently belonged to a Christian cult with strange and even dangerous practices when it comes to medical advice and seeking attention when one desperately needs it. And I'm not just speaking arbitrarily here, I personally know people that have made disastrous decisions based on their cultic JW belief system. If Prince did indeed refuse treatment because of some kooky advice, then it is really a sad situation.

Personally  I have nothing against the man, other than I don't believe he was such a great musical talent or of his flippant, flamboyant approach and lifestyle, but he was rather harmless and conducted most of his affairs as privately as he could when he was not seeking attention from the general public like most "entertainers".


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Dodging responsibility for what you say, as usual.
I have answered all your questions directly and refuted any of your false notions of my motivations as usual. Carry on. ;)
Answering questions with aggressive questions of your own hardly counts as answering questions directly.
I'm sorry sweetie I'll speak softer next time....
No, just stop trying to deflect questions with questions. I'm also not your sweetie.
Christ always answered questions with a question. The servant is not better than the master.

I also haven't deflected anything in this conversation that I know of.

And stop being so damn sensitive already.
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #131 on: May 09, 2016, 08:03:38 PM »
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I don't know whether it is or not. You seem to be assuming that it is for no good reason.
Yea, like it's impossible to concieve for an "enternainer" like Prince to have died from complications from AIDS........give me a break will ya.

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But if your only source is a gutter rag full of lies, then you have no way to tell if it's truth or not.
I told you the source of truth on a matter is irrelevant if it's true.

Meanwhile, all your "legtimate" sources STILL have no solid confirmation of what he died from, other than "chronic pain".

No kidding, that's what a destructive condition like AIDS causes, chronic pain, amongst many other ailments.


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I'm sure I could find examples of Catholic Saints that were afflicted with the same nuttiness.
When you find one that refused treatment for a deadly sexually transmitted disease because the Church told them so, which eventually took their lives, let me know.

The problem is of course if the source can be shown to be untrustworthy, and that is the only evidence you have, it is impossible to accept your claim because you have not in fact demonstrated its veracity.

You are making some fairly bold claims, like suggesting a specific Patristic forewarning regarding Freemasonry, and not substantiating these.  You might be right, but it would be very helpful if you could provide us with sources and citations, because otherwise it is difficult to accept such claims with credulity.  Which is not to cast any aspersions on your honesty, integrity or moral forthrightness, of which I have no doubt, but rather simply to say, there are a number of unfounded conspiracy theories out there which many people come to believe in, and without more solid evidence, it becomes impossible to accept them.

I also consider an unhealthy obsession with the idea of conspiracy in general to be a passion we should control.  This applies equally to viewers (like me) of House of Cards or the really wacky conspiracy theorists who dial into Coast to Coast AM (who are outre to the point where I have relied on their spooky stories to help keep me awake during many a late night drive home from the datacenter, although I don't believe a word of it).
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #132 on: May 09, 2016, 08:11:00 PM »
You're conflating Charles with Cyprian. Cyprian didn't post the thing about Prince allegedly having AIDS
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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #133 on: May 09, 2016, 09:33:45 PM »
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How do you know it is? I'm not asserting it's not, but you keep wanting to insinuate that it is.
First of all, I asked a question based on an article, but I believe it is a strong possibility and not such a stretch given his penchant for the strange, lewd and lacivious lifestyle. Not too mention being surrounded by others in th the world of fame and fortune steeped in debauchery, drugs and sexual deviancy. So no, it's not hard to believe he passed through a combination of drug addiction and STD's. But the kicker here was, he apparently belonged to a Christian cult with strange and even dangerous practices when it comes to medical advice and seeking attention when one desperately needs it. And I'm not just speaking arbitrarily here, I personally know people that have made disastrous decisions based on their cultic JW belief system. If Prince did indeed refuse treatment because of some kooky advice, then it is really a sad situation.

Personally  I have nothing against the man, other than I don't believe he was such a great musical talent or of his flippant, flamboyant approach and lifestyle, but he was rather harmless and conducted most of his affairs as privately as he could when he was not seeking attention from the general public like most "entertainers".


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Dodging responsibility for what you say, as usual.
I have answered all your questions directly and refuted any of your false notions of my motivations as usual. Carry on. ;)
Answering questions with aggressive questions of your own hardly counts as answering questions directly.
I'm sorry sweetie I'll speak softer next time....
No, just stop trying to deflect questions with questions. I'm also not your sweetie.
Christ always answered questions with a question. The servant is not better than the master.
You're not Jesus.

I also haven't deflected anything in this conversation that I know of.

And stop being so damn sensitive already.
You want to talk about sensitivity?
Not all who wander are lost.

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Re: PRINCE: "The Cross"
« Reply #134 on: May 09, 2016, 10:53:00 PM »
I'm pretty sure if Charles and Peter ever met, it would look something like this.

God bless!