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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #90 on: April 05, 2016, 02:06:09 PM »
Is this about the schools for Indians?

We don't use the term "Indians" here.  The correct term is "First Nations Peoples, Indigenous, or Aboriginal" .

The Catholic Church clergy and nuns had a great deal to do with the abuse committed against First Nations Peoples. They took the children away from their families, they put them in residential schools, tried to make them forget about their own culture and heritage. They raped them, beat them, even some killed them, and that continued for almost a whole century. Today, I myself see the consequences of that genocide every day. All that I think about is how could anyone do such thing in the name of Christ? How could any true Catholic think that taking children away from their families, raping them, beating them, and sometimes killing them is what Christ intended when he said, "Go and baptize all nations"?!


P.S. As a Catholic, I'm more inclined to criticise my own Church when there is a need for it. I love the Catholic Church and I'm proud to be a member of. Therefore, when I see certain people try and abuse the Church for their own Traditionalist/Conservative/Liberal/Socialist agenda, I can't help but point out their wrong. Even though I'm gay and liberal, I oppose any attempt by both sides to use the Church for their own benefit.
Do they call themselves that?
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« Reply #91 on: April 05, 2016, 02:24:45 PM »
Is this about the schools for Indians?

We don't use the term "Indians" here.  The correct term is "First Nations Peoples, Indigenous, or Aboriginal" .

The Catholic Church clergy and nuns had a great deal to do with the abuse committed against First Nations Peoples. They took the children away from their families, they put them in residential schools, tried to make them forget about their own culture and heritage. They raped them, beat them, even some killed them, and that continued for almost a whole century. Today, I myself see the consequences of that genocide every day. All that I think about is how could anyone do such thing in the name of Christ? How could any true Catholic think that taking children away from their families, raping them, beating them, and sometimes killing them is what Christ intended when he said, "Go and baptize all nations"?!


P.S. As a Catholic, I'm more inclined to criticise my own Church when there is a need for it. I love the Catholic Church and I'm proud to be a member of. Therefore, when I see certain people try and abuse the Church for their own Traditionalist/Conservative/Liberal/Socialist agenda, I can't help but point out their wrong. Even though I'm gay and liberal, I oppose any attempt by both sides to use the Church for their own benefit.
Do they call themselves that?

Yes, and they are used by the government of Canada as well. The term Indians is actually considered racist. They are not "Indians". That is a term used by the early European colonists based on ignorance and/or confusion.

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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #92 on: April 05, 2016, 02:30:39 PM »
Indigenous persons that I have met normally referred to themselves as Native Americans when speaking as a whole and more often to their specific people group such as Sioux, Choctaw, Crow, etc. I've never heard them refer to themselves as Aboriginal or First Nations People. Indigenous is usually legal term as opposed to a self-referencing term. Perhaps Canada is different.
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« Reply #93 on: April 05, 2016, 02:37:38 PM »
Indigenous persons that I have met normally referred to themselves as Native Americans when speaking as a whole and more often to their specific people group such as Sioux, Choctaw, Crow, etc. I've never heard them refer to themselves as Aboriginal or First Nations People. Indigenous is usually legal term as opposed to a self-referencing term. Perhaps Canada is different.

You can use that term as well. But I rarely or never heard someone using it here. Canada is different than America is so many ways, and this is probably one of them. ;)

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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #94 on: April 05, 2016, 02:53:18 PM »
I am Canadian: the terms used in Canada are: First Nations Peoples, Indigenous, or Aboriginal.

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« Reply #95 on: April 05, 2016, 02:54:50 PM »
Bon, bon, bon... (Well, well, well...) As a proud Québécois, i will step in to clarify some misconceptions. Please, consider that the following as an "insider point of view" since that i can not back my saying with any kind of "bullet proof" facts.

Yes Québec was a fortified stronghold for the RCC at the beginning of the 1900's until Vatican2 and the peace and love movement came in during the 70's. Like my dad told me: "When we were hearing the nun knocking 3 times on the pews, it meant that we needed to kneel down...". We only have herited this cultural background from our elders.

My wife and my mother consider themselves as RC but they are denying the Trinity and there is no way that they will step in a Church. And they are not alone. When i was an atheist, my wife and I decided to baptize our children out of tradition and not because we believed. People in Québec are secular and liberal and most of them are not aware what the RCC is teaching and i am probably sure that they dont care any longer.

Last time i went i a RC parrish in Québec on my final strech as a RC, the altar table has been put aside to let the children play the Ressurection on Easter day (nothing wrong with that but, i think that Our Lord deserve a more spiritual and formal kind of worship). The priest left the Sanctuary to give the kiss of peace which is against canon law. Also, the Tabernacle was put in a dark spot of the church far from the sanctuary, which on top of my head is not ideal. Like my mother told me: "The church dont have any choice to adapt to the peoples if they want to keep them..." which is totally unnaceptable in my opinion.

With the knowledge that i have acquired during the last few month IRW different style of worship in Christendom, the RCC is closer to Protestanism worship now.

Few years ago when i was delivering furnitures in downtown Montréal, i steped into what was looking like a 1750's ish church from the outside but inside it was a condo appartments.

Dont get me wrong, there is some devouted RC still in Québec but they are expected to slowly disappear since that churches are closing more often nowadays.

Roman Catholicism, from my personnal experience, is only a cultural tag.

First, I want to thank for your informative reply. Second, what is happening in Quebec in terms of the Faith and the Church is unfortunate, and makes me wonder, why is it somehow easy for predominant Catholic countries/provinces/states to go that road of becoming culturally Catholic.

Some people like to blame it on Vatican II, but the fact is that it seems with or without Vatican II, it was going to happen. For example, France became secular way before the 1960s. Other Christian denominations also started to suffer after the 1960s. Which shows that the society and culture were changing anyway. I echo what Mark Massa said, that Vatican II prevented the Church from losing even more than what lost already.

Yes, it's definitely an overcorrection (one extreme breeds the opposite). This seems to happen often. I believe it is only a matter of time before Saudi Arabia goes secular and only culturally Muslim; even though it is now Wahhabi. There is a lot of unrest and resentment bubbling beneath the surface toward the royal family and the religious establishment. Right now it hasn't come to a head yet because people are so dependent on oil money, but what happens when that dries up, as it most surely will? There is already an underground atheist Saudi scene, which currently finds its outlet via anonymous Internet posting. An estimated 5% of Saudis are atheist and that number is only expected to increase. (And then, of course, there is the crypto-Christian "Insider Movement", although how many adherents that movement has is anybody's guess).

The same thing could potentially happen in other Middle Eastern countries too, but for a number of reasons I believe Saudi Arabia is the most likely candidate to experience such a "quiet" (or not-so-quiet) revolution. But Qatar is potentially another, given how much of the population is made up of non-Muslim foreigners who are brought there as de facto serfs or slaves. Qatar is a bit like the Saint-Domingue of the modern Middle East.

I suspect Egypt too, I read in the N.Y. times that after what happened with the Muslim Brotherhood, a lot of younger folks in Egypy started questioning their faith, with the muslim authoties at Al-Azhar University having to address the rise of Atheism. While you bring up good points about Saudi Arabia, I can't imagine the Royal family, and the Conservative Whabbi clerics allowing any secularization, since it would be a end to their regime. Didn't they declare Atheism as terrorism a while back?

Yes, they did! And that is one of the signs that they are getting scared. History teaches us something about that. When authorities go to the extreme in their persecution of a certain group of people, that is when you know they're panicking and you know the future belongs to the persecuted people. As Christians, we know that fact by reading about the Early Church and how they faced a great deal of persecution and false accusations as soon as it became clear for the Roman Authority that they are gaining large numbers of converts.

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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #96 on: April 05, 2016, 03:02:11 PM »
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Please, understand that those who were raped, beaten and mentally traumatized by the RCC in Québec they never had been properly taught the Love and Mercy of Our Lord
You mean by some rogue priests, not the Institutional Church itself I presume. But either way, it's a horrible situation.

Some rogues Saracens are making a bad reputation of the "Institutional" (i.e. mainstream) Islam. Of course that these priests and nuns were not worthy of the clerical duties but at that time the RCC didnt do much either to address the situation. They have indeed turn toward the government to have help.

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The Faith has been pressed upon them by disregarding their free will.
Yes, that's never good. I just have a hard time that, that kind of thinking is systemic within the Church at all levels. I was raised and schooled in the Faith by some pretty hard core traditional priests and nuns, they were very committed and sincere in teaching us the Faith, but I never felt as if they were disregarding my free will. Remember children can be rebellious as it is, we have to consider all the factors invovled here.

Rebellion toward the clergy or the church is justifying the raping and a beating of a child? Even if we dont have all the factors, i am quite convinced that regardless of the factors it does not justify their actions. Blessed are you that have been in the good cares of good priests and nuns. Praise be to God!

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Like the Church is teaching: God gave us free will so we can freely and genuinly decided to follow Christ out of agape.
Yes, but when we use that free will into the rebellious "I Will" like the Evil One, then we start to run into problems.

Yes! So true! I remember the other day when my 5 and 7 years old children does have the rational and the wisdom that is needed to discern when Satan is paying them a visit and then decide to not obey me! With the knowledge that these kids have now with what they went through, they can say indeed that they have seen the "Evil One" acting through these priests and nuns.

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Forced faith is slavery,
I agree. But I have never seen faith forced upon anyone. In my expierence anyway. And I truly don't believe that is the mission of the Church, regardless of a few overzealous clergy men and women.

I can confirm you that Faith has been imposed to these children back in the 50's/60's. These clerics didnt understand their mission indeed.

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have a look at the present Middle East situation.
Surely you can't compare the RCC to radical Islam.
I do. To a lower extent of course. Even if it isnt related with this topic, we can relate to the Inquisition back in the Middle age. But if we come back to a 50's/60's western modern civilized perspective, it was quite radical. Beating and raping occurred regularly exactly like one of my brother-in-arms witness from is own eyes when he was deployed in Afghanistan, one of the land sharing a culture from radical Islam.

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It always seem that those who are quick to judge those who judge the church are all too willing to serve the church instead of having compassion for those who have suffered, been raped and traumatized by the members of that church.
You (or they?)have my sympathies and support . Believe me, I'm all for swift and lasting justice against anyone that would violate the trust of a child, I'm very outspoken on here about this, I would have no problem meeting out the death penalty for the child-rapists. Bet you that would stop it in a hurry. But I'm just not ready to condemn a 2000yr old institution over the actions of a few sexual deviants or even  a few within the  system that would try and "protect" them.

"Blessed are the merciful: for they will be shown mercy." (Matthew 5:7)
"Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her." (John 8:7)
Death penalty is not the solution, my friend... The Law of Moses has been fulfilled. Let God judge them in His Mercy.

I am not condemning the 2000yrs old institution, only the 100-120yrs institution of the RCC in Québec/Lower Canada.


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I do not blame these victims to turn their hope toward a more merciful form of state (i.e. the local government, the state) then the state of the church.
Mercy for children that have been abused by a state that arbitrarily supports the murder of them? But I understand the potential  fustration and desperation of thier situation somethimes.

That state has changed a few times since then, now this state is bringing those rogue clergymen in front of justice. Today the state is helping the victims. I am not worthy to judges why the victims have turned their back to the RCC. Perhaps some of them only turned their back to the RCC but kept their eyes and hearts toward the Lord.

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Please do not judge them my friend, be merciful.
I don't and I am.

I don't think it means condemning the entire RCC itself, just the way in which it's run. Changing the constitution of a country does not mean the end of that country's history, just the beginning of a new phase of it. I would presume even the most hardcore traditionalist thanks God that the Institutional Church was able to shift gears following the enormities of the Borgia Popes or the Avignon Papacy, for example.

Volnutt exactly pin point my opinion on the subject.

What i would like to emphases that i dont condemn the entire RCC itself. Only the RCC in Québec/Lower Canada in the last 100-120yrs.
Bennjohn I am not knowledgeable about the situation in Quebec from which you talk about, which is ironic to me because my granfather is from Montreal and was half native/French and also a devout Catholic. However, he died when I was an infant, so much of the language/culture was never passed on into my family, except for trad Catholicism. But I've only been to Montreal once and that was a long time ago, I couldn't tell you much about it except for that  Notre Dame church, the botanical gardens, Olympic stadium  (ah, actually, i've been there twice)and the old French Section.Other than that, I'm clueless about what goes on up there except for what I read about occasionaly and not nothing about the abuse of young native children by the clergy, but I don't doubt it went on. And also ironically, I work with a lot of natives from the res and never hear  them vent about the RCC, actually it's the govt they despise more than anything. They seem ambigious about Christianity many times, but many are believers and there are few that are devout Catholics. The Church and the nations have a close relationship going back a long way to the "black robes" who lives with the tribes and ministered to their physical and spiriutal needs in their attempt to convert them into the True Faith, which cost some  of them their lives, like the first North American martyrs who were savagely beaten to death for something as simple  making a sign of the cross on the children.

I know there is probably bad blood because of the scandals, which is a shame and I told you how I personally believe how they should be dealt with. But that shouldn't erase centuries of history and mutually beneficial relationshipa between the tribes and the Church. At least I hope not.
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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #97 on: April 05, 2016, 03:04:36 PM »
Is this about the schools for Indians?

We don't use the term "Indians" here.  The correct term is "First Nations Peoples, Indigenous, or Aboriginal" .

It's too tiresome to keep up with the euphemism carousel.

The term Indians is actually considered racist.

How silly.
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« Reply #98 on: April 05, 2016, 03:10:55 PM »
Unfortunately from what i have observed, the RCC in Québec abused of the authority and the power they had to turn Christianity in a state dictatorship.  :'(

I'm not surprised then. This supports what I read and posted here previously that using Catholic Mass elements in a blasphemous language in Quebec was the people's way of expressing their frustration with how the clergy controlled their lives. The French Revolution was also the result of such religious dictatorship.
Yea, and we see how all that worked out;

The Reign of Terror (6 September 1793 – 28 July 1794),[1] also known as The Terror (French: la Terreur), was a period of violence that occurred after the onset of the French Revolution, incited by conflict between two rival political factions, the Girondins and The Mountain, and marked by mass executions of "enemies of the revolution". The death toll ranged in the tens of thousands, with 16,594 executed by guillotine (2,639 in Paris),[2] and another 25,000 in summary executions acrososs France
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That is exactly what I meant. When the Church abuse its power and gets too comfortable with the corrupt leaders of a country, when the revolution takes place, revenge will fall upon her.
You're not making sense here. How in the world did the Church abuse it's power in France and perpetuate the revolution? Blaming the RCC for the atrocities committed in the French Revolution makes about as much sense as blaming the Orthodox Church for abusing it's power in Russia prior to the October Revolution and being responsible for it's own abuses at the hands of the communists.

These two godless revolutions took down Christianity in the East and West and you're saying they deserved it?
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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #99 on: April 05, 2016, 03:18:40 PM »
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I know there is probably bad blood because of the scandals, which is a shame and I told you how I personally believe how they should be dealt with. But that shouldn't erase centuries of history and mutually beneficial relationshipa between the tribes and the Church. At least I hope not.

I hope not too my friend, lets pray to the Lord.
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« Reply #100 on: April 05, 2016, 03:22:11 PM »
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Everyone else thinks it's disgusting, and it will never be legalized here in the US because children CANNOT give informed consent under the law, just like animals can't
There are now some of the same people who advocated for "gay marriage" are now advocating for polygamy and pedophilia. Its been in the news recently.

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« Reply #101 on: April 05, 2016, 03:23:52 PM »
Is this about the schools for Indians?

We don't use the term "Indians" here.  The correct term is "First Nations Peoples, Indigenous, or Aboriginal" .

It's too tiresome to keep up with the euphemism carousel.

The term Indians is actually considered racist.

How silly.

For us in Canada, It is a fact. Indians are the people who come from India. Why should First Nations People be called Indians just because the early European colonists were so ignorant.

Christians in the Middle East refuse to be called "Nasara" because it is an inaccurate term used in the Quran to describe Christians. Some Fatwas from several Muslims clerics said that calling Christians "Christians" by Muslims is forbidden because that means they are followers of Jesus Christ, which the Quran doesn't believe we are actually following the "real" Jesus.

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« Reply #102 on: April 05, 2016, 03:24:06 PM »
Is this about the schools for Indians?

We don't use the term "Indians" here.  The correct term is "First Nations Peoples, Indigenous, or Aboriginal" .

It's too tiresome to keep up with the euphemism carousel.


Call them what they want to be called, in their own country? How dare he?
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« Reply #103 on: April 05, 2016, 03:25:05 PM »
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It's too tiresome to keep up with the euphemism carousel.
Yea, it becomes redundant after a while.

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The term Indians is actually considered racist.
I guess it's all in context. Dots or feathers? ;D

Reminds me of a funny incident from many yrs ago.

Years ago I was with a native guy who was making a purchase from a hindu man, but when he went to pay, he told the hindu " I don't have to pay any tax, I'm an Indian! Then hindu guy smiled, looked him in the eye and said "Me too!"  ;) "And your gonna pay the tax!" lol! ;D


True story.
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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #104 on: April 05, 2016, 03:27:24 PM »
Is this about the schools for Indians?

We don't use the term "Indians" here.  The correct term is "First Nations Peoples, Indigenous, or Aboriginal" .

It's too tiresome to keep up with the euphemism carousel.


Call them what they want to be called.

That's not how it works.

I want to be called Your Highness from now on.

Let's call a spade a spade.

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« Reply #105 on: April 05, 2016, 03:29:59 PM »
Is this about the schools for Indians?

We don't use the term "Indians" here.  The correct term is "First Nations Peoples, Indigenous, or Aboriginal" .

It's too tiresome to keep up with the euphemism carousel.


Call them what they want to be called, in their own country? How dare he?

Cyrillic is a very reasonable man whom I respect and admire, and it surprises me that he thinks what I said is silly. Should we call Black people the word "N"? Should we call homosexuals the word "F"?  It is a fact as well that First Nations Peoples are not Indians nor are they from India, so calling them "Indians" is idiotic. Should we call the Chinese, Swedish?
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« Reply #106 on: April 05, 2016, 03:31:04 PM »
Is this about the schools for Indians?

We don't use the term "Indians" here.  The correct term is "First Nations Peoples, Indigenous, or Aboriginal" .

It's too tiresome to keep up with the euphemism carousel.


Call them what they want to be called, in their own country? How dare he?

Cyrillic is a very reasonable man whom I respect and admire, and it surprises me that he thinks what I said is silly. Should we call Blam people the word "N"? Should we call homosexuals the word "F"?  It is a fact as well that First Nations Peoples are not Indians nor are they from India, so calling them "Indians" is idiotic. Should we call the Chinese, Swedish?

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« Reply #107 on: April 05, 2016, 03:31:47 PM »
Is this about the schools for Indians?

We don't use the term "Indians" here.  The correct term is "First Nations Peoples, Indigenous, or Aboriginal" .

It's too tiresome to keep up with the euphemism carousel.


Call them what they want to be called, in their own country? How dare he?

Cyrillic is a very reasonable man whom I respect and admire, and it surprises me that he thinks what I said is silly. Should we call Blam people the word "N"? Should we call homosexuals the word "F"?

The difference between those words and Indian is that Indian isn't meant as an insult.

Should we call the Chinese, Swedish?

If they've been called Swedes for centuries and everyone knows what you're talking about, why not?

'Should we call the Chinese Chinamen?' is a more apt comparison. I'd say we should.
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« Reply #108 on: April 05, 2016, 03:36:19 PM »
Is this about the schools for Indians?

We don't use the term "Indians" here.  The correct term is "First Nations Peoples, Indigenous, or Aboriginal" .

It's too tiresome to keep up with the euphemism carousel.


Call them what they want to be called, in their own country? How dare he?

Cyrillic is a very reasonable man whom I respect and admire, and it surprises me that he thinks what I said is silly. Should we call Blam people the word "N"? Should we call homosexuals the word "F"?

The difference between those words and Indian is that Indian isn't meant as an insult.

That may be true, but today it is used as an insult actually. It is not like the First Nations came up one day and said, "yeah about that, we don't like it". Some ignorant racists started using that term "Indian" as an insult, and therefore rarely does someone use that term today without intending to insult people.

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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #109 on: April 05, 2016, 03:37:45 PM »
That may be true, but today it is used as an insult actually. It is not like the First Nations came up one day and said, "yeah about that, we don't like it". Some ignorant racists started using that term "Indian" as an insult, and therefore rarely does someone use that term today without intending to insult people.

What if people would shout 'Canadian' at you, or 'Dutchman' at me, in order to insult us. We'd laugh and shrug it off, wouldn't we? Banning words because the wrong people use them in the wrong way is nonsensical and gives them way more power than they should.

Would we have to change the name again if people were to use 'indiginous' or 'first nation' as an insult? The answer is probably yes, considering how black citizens in the US get a new name every few years.
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« Reply #110 on: April 05, 2016, 03:42:17 PM »
That may be true, but today it is used as an insult actually. It is not like the First Nations came up one day and said, "yeah about that, we don't like it". Some ignorant racists started using that term "Indian" as an insult, and therefore rarely does someone use that term today without intending to insult people.

What if people would shout 'Canadian' at you, or 'Dutchman' at me, as a way to insult us. We'd laugh and shrug it off, wouldn't we? Banning words because the wrong people use them in the wrong way is nonsensical.

We can argue about this all day long. I'm just letting you know how things are in Canada. So when you visit one day, you will be aware of how things are in here :)

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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #111 on: April 05, 2016, 03:43:01 PM »
Unfortunately from what i have observed, the RCC in Québec abused of the authority and the power they had to turn Christianity in a state dictatorship.  :'(

I'm not surprised then. This supports what I read and posted here previously that using Catholic Mass elements in a blasphemous language in Quebec was the people's way of expressing their frustration with how the clergy controlled their lives. The French Revolution was also the result of such religious dictatorship.
Yea, and we see how all that worked out;

The Reign of Terror (6 September 1793 – 28 July 1794),[1] also known as The Terror (French: la Terreur), was a period of violence that occurred after the onset of the French Revolution, incited by conflict between two rival political factions, the Girondins and The Mountain, and marked by mass executions of "enemies of the revolution". The death toll ranged in the tens of thousands, with 16,594 executed by guillotine (2,639 in Paris),[2] and another 25,000 in summary executions acrososs France
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That is exactly what I meant. When the Church abuse its power and gets too comfortable with the corrupt leaders of a country, when the revolution takes place, revenge will fall upon her.
You're not making sense here. How in the world did the Church abuse it's power in France and perpetuate the revolution? Blaming the RCC for the atrocities committed in the French Revolution makes about as much sense as blaming the Orthodox Church for abusing it's power in Russia prior to the October Revolution and being responsible for it's own abuses at the hands of the communists.

These two godless revolutions took down Christianity in the East and West and you're saying they deserved it?

Corrupt state churches deserve to have their toys taken away. This is not the same thing as saying that Christianity should be oppressed or that people should be killed.

That being said, it's unsurprising (not right, just unsurprising) that the French and Russians reacted violently to all religion when the Caesaropapists gave it such a bad name for so long.
Is that what they teach you at the temple volnutt-stein?

Actually, it's Volnutt-berg.

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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #112 on: April 05, 2016, 03:43:46 PM »
So when you visit one day, you will be aware of how things are in here

Don't worry about that. I wouldn't know what to do or go see in Canada. Isn't it cold and boring up north?
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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #113 on: April 05, 2016, 03:44:26 PM »
Unfortunately from what i have observed, the RCC in Québec abused of the authority and the power they had to turn Christianity in a state dictatorship.  :'(

I'm not surprised then. This supports what I read and posted here previously that using Catholic Mass elements in a blasphemous language in Quebec was the people's way of expressing their frustration with how the clergy controlled their lives. The French Revolution was also the result of such religious dictatorship.
Yea, and we see how all that worked out;

The Reign of Terror (6 September 1793 – 28 July 1794),[1] also known as The Terror (French: la Terreur), was a period of violence that occurred after the onset of the French Revolution, incited by conflict between two rival political factions, the Girondins and The Mountain, and marked by mass executions of "enemies of the revolution". The death toll ranged in the tens of thousands, with 16,594 executed by guillotine (2,639 in Paris),[2] and another 25,000 in summary executions acrososs France
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That is exactly what I meant. When the Church abuse its power and gets too comfortable with the corrupt leaders of a country, when the revolution takes place, revenge will fall upon her.
You're not making sense here. How in the world did the Church abuse it's power in France and perpetuate the revolution? Blaming the RCC for the atrocities committed in the French Revolution makes about as much sense as blaming the Orthodox Church for abusing it's power in Russia prior to the October Revolution and being responsible for it's own abuses at the hands of the communists.

These two godless revolutions took down Christianity in the East and West and you're saying they deserved it?

I didn't say they deserved it. I just said that is an expected outcome when you get involved with corrupt people and forget who you really are.

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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #114 on: April 05, 2016, 03:52:00 PM »
So when you visit one day, you will be aware of how things are in here

Don't worry about that. I wouldn't know what to do or go see in Canada. Isn't it cold and boring up north?

Come on Cyrillic, you're not American, are you? That is a myth believed by some Americans in general. It is cold in winter and warm in the summer. I live in a province known for its cold winter, and during the summer, we need air conditioning even on the bus! As to the claim that Canada is "boring". That depends on what you consider boring. For me, the country is wonderful land and there are lots of things to do from coast to coast to coast. You want a taste of Europe, you go to Quebec, you want a taste of the Pacific, you go to British Columbia, you want a taste of the North Pole, you go to the Northern territories, you want a taste of the farm land and country style, you go to the prairies, if you want a taste of the industrial, flashy and busy cities, you go to Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal, and if you want a taste of the British, the Atlantic and the seafood culture, you go to the Atlantic provinces. To me, that is a lot of fun
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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #115 on: April 05, 2016, 04:03:27 PM »
So when you visit one day, you will be aware of how things are in here

Don't worry about that. I wouldn't know what to do or go see in Canada. Isn't it cold and boring up north?
;D

Yes. Don't believe a word those Canucks say. They just want to attract people to their frozen wasteland. There is a reason that 75% of them live within 100 miles of the US border!
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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #116 on: April 05, 2016, 04:28:11 PM »
So when you visit one day, you will be aware of how things are in here

Don't worry about that. I wouldn't know what to do or go see in Canada. Isn't it cold and boring up north?

I heard that.
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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #117 on: April 05, 2016, 05:24:57 PM »
Canadians. Less fat Americans who have a strange predisposition with leaves......

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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #118 on: April 05, 2016, 10:29:56 PM »
Canadians. Less fat Americans who have a strange predisposition with leaves......

PP

You're right about the less fat, but so wrong about being Americans. You guys down there are too loud, too obnoxious, too flashy, and just too much, like calm down, chill and take a pill. We're trying to sleep up in here.
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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #119 on: April 05, 2016, 10:34:15 PM »
So when you visit one day, you will be aware of how things are in here

Don't worry about that. I wouldn't know what to do or go see in Canada. Isn't it cold and boring up north?
;D

Yes. Don't believe a word those Canucks say. They just want to attract people to their frozen wasteland. There is a reason that 75% of them live within 100 miles of the US border!

We live within 100 miles of your border so when you guys try to invade us, we will be right there waiting for you to kick your butt. Just like we did in 1812-1815.

Seriously, though, we live close to the south because it is too cold up there. Also, that means more nature left alone without humans corrupting it.
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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #120 on: April 06, 2016, 02:26:13 AM »
So when you visit one day, you will be aware of how things are in here

Don't worry about that. I wouldn't know what to do or go see in Canada. Isn't it cold and boring up north?
;D

Yes. Don't believe a word those Canucks say. They just want to attract people to their frozen wasteland. There is a reason that 75% of them live within 100 miles of the US border!

We live within 100 miles of your border so when you guys try to invade us, we will be right there waiting for you to kick your butt. Just like we did in 1812-1815.

Seriously, though, we live close to the south because it is too cold up there. Also, that means more nature left alone without humans corrupting it.

Other than through baking it in the sun, of course.
Is that what they teach you at the temple volnutt-stein?

Actually, it's Volnutt-berg.

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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #121 on: April 06, 2016, 08:58:21 AM »
So when you visit one day, you will be aware of how things are in here

Don't worry about that. I wouldn't know what to do or go see in Canada. Isn't it cold and boring up north?
;D

Yes. Don't believe a word those Canucks say. They just want to attract people to their frozen wasteland. There is a reason that 75% of them live within 100 miles of the US border!

We live within 100 miles of your border so when you guys try to invade us, we will be right there waiting for you to kick your butt. Just like we did in 1812-1815.

Seriously, though, we live close to the south because it is too cold up there. Also, that means more nature left alone without humans corrupting it.
See, we are spewing tons of pollution to warm up the Great Northern Wasteland and make it inhabitable. You are welcome.
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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #122 on: April 06, 2016, 02:26:27 PM »
So when you visit one day, you will be aware of how things are in here

Don't worry about that. I wouldn't know what to do or go see in Canada. Isn't it cold and boring up north?
;D

Yes. Don't believe a word those Canucks say. They just want to attract people to their frozen wasteland. There is a reason that 75% of them live within 100 miles of the US border!

We live within 100 miles of your border so when you guys try to invade us, we will be right there waiting for you to kick your butt. Just like we did in 1812-1815.

Seriously, though, we live close to the south because it is too cold up there. Also, that means more nature left alone without humans corrupting it.
See, we are spewing tons of pollution to warm up the Great Northern Wasteland and make it inhabitable. You are welcome.

Hahahaha, you're funny. I don't think I can say anything after what you said  ;D

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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #123 on: April 06, 2016, 02:27:45 PM »
So when you visit one day, you will be aware of how things are in here

Don't worry about that. I wouldn't know what to do or go see in Canada. Isn't it cold and boring up north?
;D

Yes. Don't believe a word those Canucks say. They just want to attract people to their frozen wasteland. There is a reason that 75% of them live within 100 miles of the US border!

We live within 100 miles of your border so when you guys try to invade us, we will be right there waiting for you to kick your butt. Just like we did in 1812-1815.

Seriously, though, we live close to the south because it is too cold up there. Also, that means more nature left alone without humans corrupting it.

Other than through baking it in the sun, of course.

That is true. But what I meant is things like building large cities, buildings, airports and things like that. I meant a nature where you can go and watch the northern lights away from the madness of the city.
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Re: Quebec vs the rest of Canada.
« Reply #124 on: April 07, 2016, 11:37:58 AM »
I meant a nature where you can go and watch the northern lights away from the madness of the city.


While being stalked by wind-walking cannibal demons? No thanks.
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