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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #45 on: February 06, 2016, 01:10:28 PM »

Why in Cuba, one of the most wicked atheist nations where fornication reigns? Has Havana now become the New Jerusalem?

Oh yea, there is no fornication in Serbia or USA (Gay marriage allowed), very pious People live there, there is far more fornication in Christian countries than in socialist North Korea for example.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #46 on: February 06, 2016, 01:48:24 PM »
Great Councils..........Pope meets Patriarch..........strange days my friends. Next thing you know Isa will be posting a selfie with the Ecumenical Patriarch.  8)

I want to see a joint meeting between Isa and Charles Martel. The image of them  embracing will be one for the ages.
It would be an honor to meet his eminence.

Kirill that is. ;)
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #47 on: February 06, 2016, 01:51:56 PM »

Why in Cuba, one of the most wicked atheist nations where fornication reigns? Has Havana now become the New Jerusalem?
Wait until all them American dollars start flowing  with the new open door policy to the marketeers from the U.S.

Cuba hasn't seen "fornication" yet.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #48 on: February 06, 2016, 01:53:54 PM »

Why in Cuba, one of the most wicked atheist nations where fornication reigns? Has Havana now become the New Jerusalem?

Oh yea, there is no fornication in Serbia or USA (Gay marriage allowed), very pious People live there, there is far more fornication in Christian countries than in socialist North Korea for example.
So Christianity opens the floodgates of fornication I take it?
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #49 on: February 06, 2016, 02:17:56 PM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #50 on: February 06, 2016, 02:24:16 PM »
The Christian Church never split to be re-united.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #51 on: February 06, 2016, 02:38:12 PM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D

Well, Russia, a sort of an Orthodox Country is trying to save Christians in the Middle East, while Roman-Catholic and Protestant countries are trying to wipe them out by supporting the terrorists and undermining secular regime of president Assad. So if pope Francis has no any influence on those countries, he better remain silent on the topic.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #52 on: February 06, 2016, 03:05:27 PM »
Emphasis on 'a sort of an Orthodox' country.  Ditto whoever the 'Roman-Catholic' and 'Protestant' countries are to whom you refer.  We are, alas, in the 21st century and it is a mighty secular, atheistic one.  I would be overjoyed at this point to be in any of the above three, assuming it was not 'sort of' but actually the real thing...

In my world the individual Christian accepts God's grace through faith, not his country.   Ditto his brothers and sisters in Christ.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #53 on: February 06, 2016, 03:07:30 PM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D

Well, Russia, a sort of an Orthodox Country is trying to save Christians in the Middle East, while Roman-Catholic and Protestant countries are trying to wipe them out by supporting the terrorists and undermining secular regime of president Assad. So if pope Francis has no any influence on those countries, he better remain silent on the topic.

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #54 on: February 07, 2016, 09:31:15 AM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D

That is not how Moscow will spin it.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #55 on: February 07, 2016, 09:41:37 AM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D

Well, Russia, a sort of an Orthodox Country is trying to save Christians in the Middle East, while Roman-Catholic and Protestant countries are trying to wipe them out by supporting the terrorists and undermining secular regime of president Assad. So if pope Francis has no any influence on those countries, he better remain silent on the topic.

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2016, 01:20:15 PM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D

Well, Russia, a sort of an Orthodox Country is trying to save Christians in the Middle East, while Roman-Catholic and Protestant countries are trying to wipe them out by supporting the terrorists and undermining secular regime of president Assad. So if pope Francis has no any influence on those countries, he better remain silent on the topic.

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2016, 01:43:52 PM »
What's all this talk about formication?
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2016, 02:03:19 PM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D

Well, Russia, a sort of an Orthodox Country is trying to save Christians in the Middle East, while Roman-Catholic and Protestant countries are trying to wipe them out by supporting the terrorists and undermining secular regime of president Assad. So if pope Francis has no any influence on those countries, he better remain silent on the topic.

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #59 on: February 08, 2016, 10:48:48 AM »
In 1998 cardinal Stepinac was proclaimed to be blessed, and Serbian Orthodox Church still has excellent relations with the Vatican. Now both Vatican and Serbian Orthodox Church formed a joint comission that will investigate if cardinal Stepinac is blessed or a saint.
So my conclusion is, screw the martyrs, we are going Rome!
LOL!

Serbia joining Rome, that will be the day...
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #60 on: February 08, 2016, 11:29:18 AM »
In 1998 cardinal Stepinac was proclaimed to be blessed, and Serbian Orthodox Church still has excellent relations with the Vatican. Now both Vatican and Serbian Orthodox Church formed a joint comission that will investigate if cardinal Stepinac is blessed or a saint.
So my conclusion is, screw the martyrs, we are going Rome!
LOL!

Serbia joining Rome, that will be the day...

Serbia will join devil himself if he has the money.

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #61 on: February 08, 2016, 11:32:07 AM »
Schism over. Peace!
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #62 on: February 08, 2016, 11:41:51 AM »
Rome removed Filioque? When? Or did we add it?
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #63 on: February 08, 2016, 11:52:05 AM »
In 1998 cardinal Stepinac was proclaimed to be blessed, and Serbian Orthodox Church still has excellent relations with the Vatican. Now both Vatican and Serbian Orthodox Church formed a joint comission that will investigate if cardinal Stepinac is blessed or a saint.
So my conclusion is, screw the martyrs, we are going Rome!
LOL!

Serbia joining Rome, that will be the day...

Serbia will join devil himself if he has the money.
Rome is too busy paying off lawsuits to think about adding Serbia to the list.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2016, 04:44:48 AM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D


Well in all seriousness it is pretty exciting. What is funny is the Catholic response on discussion forums and comment sections. I like to ask them which Roman Catholic dogmas are they prepared to renounce to acheive unity.

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2016, 08:52:21 AM »
Rome removed Filioque? When? Or did we add it?

Didn't you hear?  Pope Francis was re-baptized at Esphigmenou.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #66 on: April 09, 2016, 06:23:06 PM »
Joseph Volotsky

Did any of them corroborate with genocidal regimes for the murder of hundreds of thousands?

Some might call Tsarist Russia genocidal, at least at certain points in its history.
Are their saints that assisted the Tsars in that?

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #67 on: April 09, 2016, 06:30:55 PM »
Pedantically speaking, you can't commit genocide against a religious group, only an ethnicity. I don't think a lot of the Russian Judaizers were actually Jewish, nor were they targeted for being Jewish per se (though as elsewhere in Europe, there does seem to have been the general popular attitude that "Jewish Christian" was more of less an oxymoron).
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #68 on: April 10, 2016, 07:33:31 AM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D


Well in all seriousness it is pretty exciting. What is funny is the Catholic response on discussion forums and comment sections. I like to ask them which Roman Catholic dogmas are they prepared to renounce to acheive unity.
That is impossible, so forget it.

Which ones are you ready to renounce to achieve unity?
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« Reply #69 on: April 10, 2016, 10:16:35 AM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D


Well in all seriousness it is pretty exciting. What is funny is the Catholic response on discussion forums and comment sections. I like to ask them which Roman Catholic dogmas are they prepared to renounce to acheive unity.
That is impossible, so forget it.

Which ones are you ready to renounce to achieve unity?

And there it is. As much as I support the ecumenical movement, this is exactly why it will never happen. We must chip away at them my ear friends. And arguably, if we are a little more open about liturgical matters, I bet we would have far more success with the Protestants.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #70 on: April 10, 2016, 11:53:02 AM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D


Well in all seriousness it is pretty exciting. What is funny is the Catholic response on discussion forums and comment sections. I like to ask them which Roman Catholic dogmas are they prepared to renounce to acheive unity.
That is impossible, so forget it.

Which ones are you ready to renounce to achieve unity?

For the dull amongst us, can we agree on a number? And which? I wonder if we could even do such!
It would help me, at least in my prayer life.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #71 on: April 10, 2016, 08:56:41 PM »
Pedantically speaking, you can't commit genocide against a religious group, only an ethnicity. I don't think a lot of the Russian Judaizers were actually Jewish, nor were they targeted for being Jewish per se (though as elsewhere in Europe, there does seem to have been the general popular attitude that "Jewish Christian" was more of less an oxymoron).
That is baloney. ISIS is committing genocide against middle east Christians as we speak.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #72 on: April 10, 2016, 10:33:24 PM »
Pedantically speaking, you can't commit genocide against a religious group, only an ethnicity. I don't think a lot of the Russian Judaizers were actually Jewish, nor were they targeted for being Jewish per se (though as elsewhere in Europe, there does seem to have been the general popular attitude that "Jewish Christian" was more of less an oxymoron).
That is baloney. ISIS is committing genocide against middle east Christians as we speak.

ISIS is killing them because they aren't Muslims. Yazidis and Jews are in the same crosshairs. It's terrible, but it isn't genocide.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #73 on: April 10, 2016, 10:55:43 PM »
Pedantically speaking, you can't commit genocide against a religious group, only an ethnicity. I don't think a lot of the Russian Judaizers were actually Jewish, nor were they targeted for being Jewish per se (though as elsewhere in Europe, there does seem to have been the general popular attitude that "Jewish Christian" was more of less an oxymoron).
That is baloney. ISIS is committing genocide against middle east Christians as we speak.

ISIS is killing them because they aren't Muslims. Yazidis and Jews are in the same crosshairs. It's terrible, but it isn't genocide.
Aside from this being pedantic as you yourself confessed, Christians are a genos.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #74 on: April 10, 2016, 10:59:07 PM »
Pedantically speaking, you can't commit genocide against a religious group, only an ethnicity. I don't think a lot of the Russian Judaizers were actually Jewish, nor were they targeted for being Jewish per se (though as elsewhere in Europe, there does seem to have been the general popular attitude that "Jewish Christian" was more of less an oxymoron).
That is baloney. ISIS is committing genocide against middle east Christians as we speak.

ISIS is killing them because they aren't Muslims. Yazidis and Jews are in the same crosshairs. It's terrible, but it isn't genocide.

Syriac Christians are an ethnic group.  They're not merely "non-Muslims", though we thank God they are at least that.   

And the Syriac Christians are not the only Christians who happen to also be an ethnic group. 
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #75 on: April 10, 2016, 11:18:30 PM »
Pedantically speaking, you can't commit genocide against a religious group, only an ethnicity. I don't think a lot of the Russian Judaizers were actually Jewish, nor were they targeted for being Jewish per se (though as elsewhere in Europe, there does seem to have been the general popular attitude that "Jewish Christian" was more of less an oxymoron).

Is holocaust a better term?
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #76 on: April 11, 2016, 04:46:24 PM »
I apologize for my stupidity, all. I thought I was helping, but it was just a mistake for me to quibble over semantics like that.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #77 on: April 11, 2016, 06:22:25 PM »
Pedantically speaking, you can't commit genocide against a religious group, only an ethnicity. I don't think a lot of the Russian Judaizers were actually Jewish, nor were they targeted for being Jewish per se (though as elsewhere in Europe, there does seem to have been the general popular attitude that "Jewish Christian" was more of less an oxymoron).
That is baloney. ISIS is committing genocide against middle east Christians as we speak.

ISIS is killing them because they aren't Muslims. Yazidis and Jews are in the same crosshairs. It's terrible, but it isn't genocide.

Syriac Christians are an ethnic group.  They're not merely "non-Muslims", though we thank God they are at least that.   

And the Syriac Christians are not the only Christians who happen to also be an ethnic group.
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