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Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« on: February 05, 2016, 09:13:40 AM »
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The Holy See and the Patriarchate of Moscow are pleased to announce that, by the grace of God, His Holiness Pope Francis and His Holiness Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia will meet on February 12. Their meeting will take place in Cuba where the Pope will make a stop on his way to Mexico, and where the Patriarch will be on an official visit. It will include a personal conversation at Havana’s José Martí International Airport and will conclude with the signing of a joint declaration.

http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/90383.htm
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2016, 11:17:35 AM »
This AP article carried by CBC goes into greater detail, but still doesn't say much - and even gives the impression that all initiatives for dialogue come from the Vatican.

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2016, 11:23:47 AM »
The best thing to come out of this is more pictures of Pope Francis and Patr. Kyrill greeting each other that will be posted here in EO/RC polemics.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2016, 11:28:43 AM »
The first post mentions an article from an official Russians Orthodox site so the news has been verified as true.
This article on the same site mentions protests against the Pope's possible visit to Ukraine so I guess he cannot visit Russia itself.  Cuba is a good compromise.
http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/88555.htm

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2016, 12:02:20 PM »
"The best thing to come out of this is more pictures of Pope Francis and Patr. Kyrill greeting each other that will be posted here in EO/RC polemics."

I'm looking forward to seeing one of the Pope bowing before Patriarch Kyrill to receive his blessing.  ;D


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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2016, 12:16:03 PM »
Haha Belgrade Patriarch lasted longer without meeting Pope! Thank you Jasenovac!
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2016, 12:49:13 PM »
A bit more info about this, on the BBC website:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35500973

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2016, 12:50:45 PM »
Haha Belgrade Patriarch lasted longer without meeting Pope! Thank you Jasenovac!
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2016, 01:06:13 PM »
Haha Belgrade Patriarch lasted longer without meeting Pope! Thank you Jasenovac!
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2016, 04:02:51 PM »
Great Councils..........Pope meets Patriarch..........strange days my friends. Next thing you know Isa will be posting a selfie with the Ecumenical Patriarch.  8)

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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2016, 04:04:23 PM »
Great Councils..........Pope meets Patriarch..........strange days my friends. Next thing you know Isa will be posting a selfie with the Ecumenical Patriarch.  8)
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2016, 04:12:30 PM »
All the news titles make it sound like they will heal the 1000 year old schism
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2016, 04:19:05 PM »
Great Councils..........Pope meets Patriarch..........strange days my friends. Next thing you know Isa will be posting a selfie with the Ecumenical Patriarch.  8)
Isa can hardly work a computer, but I am more than happy to assist him in uploading a photo. He once managed to post his tattoo and drivers license photo here
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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2016, 04:23:13 PM »
All the news titles make it sound like they will heal the 1000 year old schism
And then you Orientals will be begging us to let you back in!
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2016, 04:34:32 PM »
All the news titles make it sound like they will heal the 1000 year old schism
And then you Orientals will be begging us to let you back in!

Nah, we'd just get in the way of that bromance. 
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2016, 04:36:30 PM »
All the news titles make it sound like they will heal the 1000 year old schism
And then you Orientals will be begging us to let you back in!

Nah, we'd just get in the way of that bromance.
I can just picture Patriarch Kyrill and Pope Francis fistbumping
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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2016, 04:58:56 PM »
It is funny to me how these meetings between pope and patriarchs brings absolutely no good to Orthodoxy. All it can do is cause more schism.

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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2016, 05:59:37 PM »
It is funny to me how these meetings between pope and patriarchs brings absolutely no good to Orthodoxy. All it can do is cause more schism.
So you're saying this may give birth to Genuine Authentic Original Greek Orthodox Church?
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2016, 06:15:19 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2016, 06:17:59 PM »
I understand that the mutual statement will be about will focus on persecution of Christians in the Middle East.

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2016, 06:27:20 PM »
I understand that the mutual statement will be about will focus on persecution of Christians in the Middle East.

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Strange, from reading Catholic sources I was under the impression that reunification is immenent.

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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2016, 06:34:44 PM »
I understand that the mutual statement will be about will focus on persecution of Christians in the Middle East.

Thomas

Like someone cares about such statements. If they could start a crusade or something, then it would be interesting.

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2016, 06:36:35 PM »
I understand that the mutual statement will be about will focus on persecution of Christians in the Middle East.

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Strange, from reading Catholic sources I was under the impression that reunification is immenent.
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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2016, 06:39:05 PM »
I understand that the mutual statement will be about will focus on persecution of Christians in the Middle East.

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Strange, from reading Catholic sources I was under the impression that reunification is immenent.
ITS THE EIGHTH ECUMENICAL COUNSEL!!! SPREAD TEH WORD!

It can be only 22nd.

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2016, 06:40:15 PM »
It is funny to me how these meetings between pope and patriarchs brings absolutely no good to Orthodoxy. All it can do is cause more schism.
So you're saying this may give birth to Genuine Authentic Original Greek Orthodox Church?

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« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2016, 06:40:43 PM »
I understand that the mutual statement will be about will focus on persecution of Christians in the Middle East.

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Strange, from reading Catholic sources I was under the impression that reunification is immenent.
ITS THE EIGHTH ECUMENICAL COUNSEL!!! SPREAD TEH WORD!

It can be only 22nd.
Well, if we have to use their counting system, then I say we take our marbles and go home.  >:(
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« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2016, 06:45:45 PM »
I understand that the mutual statement will be about will focus on persecution of Christians in the Middle East.

Thomas

Strange, from reading Catholic sources I was under the impression that reunification is immenent.
ITS THE EIGHTH ECUMENICAL COUNSEL!!! SPREAD TEH WORD!

It can be only 22nd.
Well, if we have to use their counting system, then I say we take our marbles and go home.  >:(


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« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2016, 06:47:39 PM »
I understand that the mutual statement will be about will focus on persecution of Christians in the Middle East.

Thomas

Strange, from reading Catholic sources I was under the impression that reunification is immenent.
ITS THE EIGHTH ECUMENICAL COUNSEL!!! SPREAD TEH WORD!

It can be only 22nd.
Well, if we have to use their counting system, then I say we take our marbles and go home.  >:(


It is easier for us to accept their Councils, then for them to reject all those Councils, they would look foolish.
What does tacking on 15 extra councils look like?
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« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2016, 06:51:34 PM »
I understand that the mutual statement will be about will focus on persecution of Christians in the Middle East.

Thomas

Strange, from reading Catholic sources I was under the impression that reunification is immenent.
ITS THE EIGHTH ECUMENICAL COUNSEL!!! SPREAD TEH WORD!

It can be only 22nd.
Well, if we have to use their counting system, then I say we take our marbles and go home.  >:(


It is easier for us to accept their Councils, then for them to reject all those Councils, they would look foolish.
What does tacking on 15 extra councils look like?

Our Patriarchs gather in Switzerland, they sing some strange chant in Greek and it's done, then they just sign with their green pens.

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2016, 06:53:36 PM »
I really wouldn't read too much into this. Moscow just canonized a much-revered saint who was opposed to the ecumenical movement.
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« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2016, 06:55:56 PM »
I really wouldn't read too much into this. Moscow just canonized a much-revered saint who was opposed to the ecumenical movement.

So what, entire Orthodox Church accepts anti-Latin saints like st Photius, Palama, Mark of Ephesus, etc... Even Eastern Catholics have them in their calendars, Rome doesn't care. Rome is actually very cool guy.

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2016, 08:25:43 PM »
All the news titles make it sound like they will heal the 1000 year old schism
And then you Orientals will be begging us to let you back in!

Nah, we'd just get in the way of that bromance.
I can just picture Patriarch Kyrill and Pope Francis fistbumping

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« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2016, 08:32:52 PM »
Great Councils..........Pope meets Patriarch..........strange days my friends. Next thing you know Isa will be posting a selfie with the Ecumenical Patriarch.  8)

I want to see a joint meeting between Isa and Charles Martel. The image of them  embracing will be one for the ages.
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« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2016, 08:34:20 PM »
I understand that the mutual statement will be about will focus on persecution of Christians in the Middle East.

Thomas

Strange, from reading Catholic sources I was under the impression that reunification is immenent.
ITS THE EIGHTH ECUMENICAL COUNSEL!!! SPREAD TEH WORD!

It can be only 22nd.
Well, if we have to use their counting system, then I say we take our marbles and go home.  >:(


It is easier for us to accept their Councils, then for them to reject all those Councils, they would look foolish.
What does tacking on 15 extra councils look like?
It's soooooooooooo much fun! Ya'll should try it. ;)
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2016, 08:35:04 PM »
I really wouldn't read too much into this. Moscow just canonized a much-revered saint who was opposed to the ecumenical movement.

So what, entire Orthodox Church accepts anti-Latin saints like st Photius, Palama, Mark of Ephesus, etc... Even Eastern Catholics have them in their calendars, Rome doesn't care. Rome is actually very cool guy.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2016, 10:31:21 PM »
I really wouldn't read too much into this. Moscow just canonized a much-revered saint who was opposed to the ecumenical movement.

So what, entire Orthodox Church accepts anti-Latin saints like st Photius, Palama, Mark of Ephesus, etc... Even Eastern Catholics have them in their calendars, Rome doesn't care. Rome is actually very cool guy.
Indeed.

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2016, 10:44:06 PM »
I really wouldn't read too much into this. Moscow just canonized a much-revered saint who was opposed to the ecumenical movement.

So what, entire Orthodox Church accepts anti-Latin saints like st Photius, Palama, Mark of Ephesus, etc... Even Eastern Catholics have them in their calendars, Rome doesn't care. Rome is actually very cool guy.
Indeed.



Well yeah, and then there are saints who really didn't like each other like Sts. Nil Sorsky and Joseph Volotsky, or Sts. Cyril and John Chryostom, etc.
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« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2016, 10:57:36 PM »
Did any of them corroborate with genocidal regimes for the murder of hundreds of thousands?
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« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2016, 11:01:17 PM »
Did any of them corroborate with genocidal regimes for the murder of hundreds of thousands?

Some might call Tsarist Russia genocidal, at least at certain points in its history.
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« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2016, 11:06:18 PM »
Did any of them corroborate with genocidal regimes for the murder of hundreds of thousands?

Some might call Tsarist Russia genocidal, at least at certain points in its history.
Are their saints that assisted the Tsars in that?
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« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2016, 11:37:51 PM »
I really wouldn't read too much into this. Moscow just canonized a much-revered saint who was opposed to the ecumenical movement.

So what, entire Orthodox Church accepts anti-Latin saints like st Photius, Palama, Mark of Ephesus, etc... Even Eastern Catholics have them in their calendars, Rome doesn't care. Rome is actually very cool guy.
Indeed.



In 1998 cardinal Stepinac was proclaimed to be blessed, and Serbian Orthodox Church still has excellent relations with the Vatican. Now both Vatican and Serbian Orthodox Church formed a joint comission that will investigate if cardinal Stepinac is blessed or a saint.
So my conclusion is, screw the martyrs, we are going Rome!
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2016, 12:16:28 PM »
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2016, 12:50:36 PM »

Why in Cuba, one of the most wicked atheist nations where fornication reigns? Has Havana now become the New Jerusalem?

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2016, 12:53:49 PM »

Why in Cuba, one of the most wicked atheist nations where fornication reigns?

Cuba have more (proportionally) religious people than Russia for example. Not sure what you mean about fornication.

But your posts are funny. So keep going.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2016, 12:57:12 PM »

Why in Cuba, one of the most wicked atheist nations where fornication reigns? Has Havana now become the New Jerusalem?

Hate to burst your illusions, but fornication occurs pretty much everywhere.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #45 on: February 06, 2016, 01:10:28 PM »

Why in Cuba, one of the most wicked atheist nations where fornication reigns? Has Havana now become the New Jerusalem?

Oh yea, there is no fornication in Serbia or USA (Gay marriage allowed), very pious People live there, there is far more fornication in Christian countries than in socialist North Korea for example.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #46 on: February 06, 2016, 01:48:24 PM »
Great Councils..........Pope meets Patriarch..........strange days my friends. Next thing you know Isa will be posting a selfie with the Ecumenical Patriarch.  8)

I want to see a joint meeting between Isa and Charles Martel. The image of them  embracing will be one for the ages.
It would be an honor to meet his eminence.

Kirill that is. ;)
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #47 on: February 06, 2016, 01:51:56 PM »

Why in Cuba, one of the most wicked atheist nations where fornication reigns? Has Havana now become the New Jerusalem?
Wait until all them American dollars start flowing  with the new open door policy to the marketeers from the U.S.

Cuba hasn't seen "fornication" yet.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #48 on: February 06, 2016, 01:53:54 PM »

Why in Cuba, one of the most wicked atheist nations where fornication reigns? Has Havana now become the New Jerusalem?

Oh yea, there is no fornication in Serbia or USA (Gay marriage allowed), very pious People live there, there is far more fornication in Christian countries than in socialist North Korea for example.
So Christianity opens the floodgates of fornication I take it?
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #49 on: February 06, 2016, 02:17:56 PM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #50 on: February 06, 2016, 02:24:16 PM »
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #51 on: February 06, 2016, 02:38:12 PM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D

Well, Russia, a sort of an Orthodox Country is trying to save Christians in the Middle East, while Roman-Catholic and Protestant countries are trying to wipe them out by supporting the terrorists and undermining secular regime of president Assad. So if pope Francis has no any influence on those countries, he better remain silent on the topic.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #52 on: February 06, 2016, 03:05:27 PM »
Emphasis on 'a sort of an Orthodox' country.  Ditto whoever the 'Roman-Catholic' and 'Protestant' countries are to whom you refer.  We are, alas, in the 21st century and it is a mighty secular, atheistic one.  I would be overjoyed at this point to be in any of the above three, assuming it was not 'sort of' but actually the real thing...

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #53 on: February 06, 2016, 03:07:30 PM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D

Well, Russia, a sort of an Orthodox Country is trying to save Christians in the Middle East, while Roman-Catholic and Protestant countries are trying to wipe them out by supporting the terrorists and undermining secular regime of president Assad. So if pope Francis has no any influence on those countries, he better remain silent on the topic.

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #54 on: February 07, 2016, 09:31:15 AM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #55 on: February 07, 2016, 09:41:37 AM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D

Well, Russia, a sort of an Orthodox Country is trying to save Christians in the Middle East, while Roman-Catholic and Protestant countries are trying to wipe them out by supporting the terrorists and undermining secular regime of president Assad. So if pope Francis has no any influence on those countries, he better remain silent on the topic.

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2016, 01:20:15 PM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D

Well, Russia, a sort of an Orthodox Country is trying to save Christians in the Middle East, while Roman-Catholic and Protestant countries are trying to wipe them out by supporting the terrorists and undermining secular regime of president Assad. So if pope Francis has no any influence on those countries, he better remain silent on the topic.

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2016, 01:43:52 PM »
What's all this talk about formication?
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2016, 02:03:19 PM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D

Well, Russia, a sort of an Orthodox Country is trying to save Christians in the Middle East, while Roman-Catholic and Protestant countries are trying to wipe them out by supporting the terrorists and undermining secular regime of president Assad. So if pope Francis has no any influence on those countries, he better remain silent on the topic.

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #59 on: February 08, 2016, 10:48:48 AM »
In 1998 cardinal Stepinac was proclaimed to be blessed, and Serbian Orthodox Church still has excellent relations with the Vatican. Now both Vatican and Serbian Orthodox Church formed a joint comission that will investigate if cardinal Stepinac is blessed or a saint.
So my conclusion is, screw the martyrs, we are going Rome!
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« Reply #60 on: February 08, 2016, 11:29:18 AM »
In 1998 cardinal Stepinac was proclaimed to be blessed, and Serbian Orthodox Church still has excellent relations with the Vatican. Now both Vatican and Serbian Orthodox Church formed a joint comission that will investigate if cardinal Stepinac is blessed or a saint.
So my conclusion is, screw the martyrs, we are going Rome!
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Serbia will join devil himself if he has the money.

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« Reply #61 on: February 08, 2016, 11:32:07 AM »
Schism over. Peace!
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #62 on: February 08, 2016, 11:41:51 AM »
Rome removed Filioque? When? Or did we add it?
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #63 on: February 08, 2016, 11:52:05 AM »
In 1998 cardinal Stepinac was proclaimed to be blessed, and Serbian Orthodox Church still has excellent relations with the Vatican. Now both Vatican and Serbian Orthodox Church formed a joint comission that will investigate if cardinal Stepinac is blessed or a saint.
So my conclusion is, screw the martyrs, we are going Rome!
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Serbia joining Rome, that will be the day...

Serbia will join devil himself if he has the money.
Rome is too busy paying off lawsuits to think about adding Serbia to the list.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2016, 04:44:48 AM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D


Well in all seriousness it is pretty exciting. What is funny is the Catholic response on discussion forums and comment sections. I like to ask them which Roman Catholic dogmas are they prepared to renounce to acheive unity.

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2016, 08:52:21 AM »
Rome removed Filioque? When? Or did we add it?

Didn't you hear?  Pope Francis was re-baptized at Esphigmenou.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #66 on: April 09, 2016, 06:23:06 PM »
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Did any of them corroborate with genocidal regimes for the murder of hundreds of thousands?

Some might call Tsarist Russia genocidal, at least at certain points in its history.
Are their saints that assisted the Tsars in that?

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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #67 on: April 09, 2016, 06:30:55 PM »
Pedantically speaking, you can't commit genocide against a religious group, only an ethnicity. I don't think a lot of the Russian Judaizers were actually Jewish, nor were they targeted for being Jewish per se (though as elsewhere in Europe, there does seem to have been the general popular attitude that "Jewish Christian" was more of less an oxymoron).
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« Reply #68 on: April 10, 2016, 07:33:31 AM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D


Well in all seriousness it is pretty exciting. What is funny is the Catholic response on discussion forums and comment sections. I like to ask them which Roman Catholic dogmas are they prepared to renounce to acheive unity.
That is impossible, so forget it.

Which ones are you ready to renounce to achieve unity?
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« Reply #69 on: April 10, 2016, 10:16:35 AM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D


Well in all seriousness it is pretty exciting. What is funny is the Catholic response on discussion forums and comment sections. I like to ask them which Roman Catholic dogmas are they prepared to renounce to acheive unity.
That is impossible, so forget it.

Which ones are you ready to renounce to achieve unity?

And there it is. As much as I support the ecumenical movement, this is exactly why it will never happen. We must chip away at them my ear friends. And arguably, if we are a little more open about liturgical matters, I bet we would have far more success with the Protestants.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #70 on: April 10, 2016, 11:53:02 AM »
Back on topic for a moment here - my understanding is that it is just a meeting to discuss certain topics - primarily the persecution of Middle East Christians, not the imminent unification of the Christian Church.   :D


Well in all seriousness it is pretty exciting. What is funny is the Catholic response on discussion forums and comment sections. I like to ask them which Roman Catholic dogmas are they prepared to renounce to acheive unity.
That is impossible, so forget it.

Which ones are you ready to renounce to achieve unity?

For the dull amongst us, can we agree on a number? And which? I wonder if we could even do such!
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« Reply #71 on: April 10, 2016, 08:56:41 PM »
Pedantically speaking, you can't commit genocide against a religious group, only an ethnicity. I don't think a lot of the Russian Judaizers were actually Jewish, nor were they targeted for being Jewish per se (though as elsewhere in Europe, there does seem to have been the general popular attitude that "Jewish Christian" was more of less an oxymoron).
That is baloney. ISIS is committing genocide against middle east Christians as we speak.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #72 on: April 10, 2016, 10:33:24 PM »
Pedantically speaking, you can't commit genocide against a religious group, only an ethnicity. I don't think a lot of the Russian Judaizers were actually Jewish, nor were they targeted for being Jewish per se (though as elsewhere in Europe, there does seem to have been the general popular attitude that "Jewish Christian" was more of less an oxymoron).
That is baloney. ISIS is committing genocide against middle east Christians as we speak.

ISIS is killing them because they aren't Muslims. Yazidis and Jews are in the same crosshairs. It's terrible, but it isn't genocide.
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« Reply #73 on: April 10, 2016, 10:55:43 PM »
Pedantically speaking, you can't commit genocide against a religious group, only an ethnicity. I don't think a lot of the Russian Judaizers were actually Jewish, nor were they targeted for being Jewish per se (though as elsewhere in Europe, there does seem to have been the general popular attitude that "Jewish Christian" was more of less an oxymoron).
That is baloney. ISIS is committing genocide against middle east Christians as we speak.

ISIS is killing them because they aren't Muslims. Yazidis and Jews are in the same crosshairs. It's terrible, but it isn't genocide.
Aside from this being pedantic as you yourself confessed, Christians are a genos.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #74 on: April 10, 2016, 10:59:07 PM »
Pedantically speaking, you can't commit genocide against a religious group, only an ethnicity. I don't think a lot of the Russian Judaizers were actually Jewish, nor were they targeted for being Jewish per se (though as elsewhere in Europe, there does seem to have been the general popular attitude that "Jewish Christian" was more of less an oxymoron).
That is baloney. ISIS is committing genocide against middle east Christians as we speak.

ISIS is killing them because they aren't Muslims. Yazidis and Jews are in the same crosshairs. It's terrible, but it isn't genocide.

Syriac Christians are an ethnic group.  They're not merely "non-Muslims", though we thank God they are at least that.   

And the Syriac Christians are not the only Christians who happen to also be an ethnic group. 
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #75 on: April 10, 2016, 11:18:30 PM »
Pedantically speaking, you can't commit genocide against a religious group, only an ethnicity. I don't think a lot of the Russian Judaizers were actually Jewish, nor were they targeted for being Jewish per se (though as elsewhere in Europe, there does seem to have been the general popular attitude that "Jewish Christian" was more of less an oxymoron).

Is holocaust a better term?
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #76 on: April 11, 2016, 04:46:24 PM »
I apologize for my stupidity, all. I thought I was helping, but it was just a mistake for me to quibble over semantics like that.
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Re: Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill to meet next week
« Reply #77 on: April 11, 2016, 06:22:25 PM »
Pedantically speaking, you can't commit genocide against a religious group, only an ethnicity. I don't think a lot of the Russian Judaizers were actually Jewish, nor were they targeted for being Jewish per se (though as elsewhere in Europe, there does seem to have been the general popular attitude that "Jewish Christian" was more of less an oxymoron).
That is baloney. ISIS is committing genocide against middle east Christians as we speak.

ISIS is killing them because they aren't Muslims. Yazidis and Jews are in the same crosshairs. It's terrible, but it isn't genocide.

Syriac Christians are an ethnic group.  They're not merely "non-Muslims", though we thank God they are at least that.   

And the Syriac Christians are not the only Christians who happen to also be an ethnic group.
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