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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #90 on: September 17, 2016, 05:22:49 PM »
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #91 on: September 17, 2016, 09:35:55 PM »
So far there is Medicinal Marijuana, Recreational Marijuana, Sacramental Marijuana (per @wgw), and I feel like the balance is off so I'd like to suggest "Industrial Marijuana" (work drugs) and "Supplemental Marijuana" (pseudo-science).

Anyone?
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #92 on: September 18, 2016, 01:14:59 AM »
industrial marijuana? how does that work?
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #93 on: September 18, 2016, 07:06:09 AM »
Marijuana is for dopes and retards, because that's precisely what it turns people into.
Stay of the hook for christians should not cultivate vices like those.
Besides, the "weed scene" is just terrible. I had lots of friends who smoked weed and hash and the conversations were... balls. Never heard of anything intelligent coming from them. Prolly because this stuff mentally handicaps you.

Sigh @ outdated myths you hold on to. Marijuana is smoked by some of the smartest people to walk the earth and some of the dumbest as well. Smoking cannabis does not make one dumb or stupid anymore than drinking water or eating food does. 

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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #94 on: September 18, 2016, 07:49:09 AM »
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #95 on: September 18, 2016, 06:08:49 PM »
industrial marijuana? how does that work?

Doesn't "recreational marijuana" sound like you're sitting around by the pool, sipping margaritas? And then one of your buddies is like, "Hey Rapha, do you know what would be even chiller....?"

I do think it's already a real category, though. For example, in Pennsylvania they have a certain amount of marijuana that is allowed in your system before you're charged with a DUI, because you'll keep testing positive for up to 30 days.

Supplemental Marijuana is currently available in all 50 states, according to an advertisment I read today. It's supposed to be pure CBD, no THC.
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #96 on: September 18, 2016, 06:31:10 PM »
industrial marijuana? how does that work?

Doesn't "recreational marijuana" sound like you're sitting around by the pool, sipping margaritas? And then one of your buddies is like, "Hey Rapha, do you know what would be even chiller....?"
LOL, never quit posting in this site.  :laugh:
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #97 on: September 18, 2016, 07:51:44 PM »
LOL, never quit posting in this site.  :laugh:

Don't encourage him, Rapha.
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #98 on: September 18, 2016, 10:05:36 PM »
Industrial hemp (which contains little to no THC, and thus is not technically marijuana despite being the same species) exists. Maybe that's what mcarmichael was referring to.
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #99 on: September 23, 2016, 12:18:19 AM »
Canada’s Cops Smoke 1.5 Grams of Weed a Day - http://www.thesmokersclub.com/news/canadas-cops-smoke-gram-weed-day/
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #100 on: September 23, 2016, 12:21:45 AM »
lol, such babies, Latin American cops can work for days on coke
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #101 on: September 23, 2016, 09:37:37 AM »
It isn't acceptable; contrary to the tantrums indignant users throw when any study comes out linking marijuana to deleterious health effects, it is indeed a dangerous substance. A short conversation with a regular user reveals the effects of memory loss, reduced IQ, mental illness, and laziness. Unlike alcohol, which can be consumed in moderate amounts so as not to cloud one's brain function, the intent of smoking marijuana is specifically to achieve intoxication, departing reality and altering brain function. From a spiritual point of view, this also opens the individual to demonic influence and attacks.
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #102 on: September 23, 2016, 07:21:45 PM »
Unlike alcohol, which can be consumed in moderate amounts so as not to cloud one's brain function, the intent of smoking marijuana is specifically to achieve intoxication, departing reality and altering brain function.

Isn't this why people drink coffee, though?
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #103 on: September 23, 2016, 07:29:02 PM »
Unlike alcohol, which can be consumed in moderate amounts so as not to cloud one's brain function

What's the fun in that?

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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #104 on: September 23, 2016, 08:20:06 PM »
Unlike alcohol, which can be consumed in moderate amounts so as not to cloud one's brain function

What's the fun in that?

It's medicinal?
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #105 on: September 23, 2016, 10:20:32 PM »
It isn't acceptable; contrary to the tantrums indignant users throw when any study comes out linking marijuana to deleterious health effects, it is indeed a dangerous substance. A short conversation with a regular user reveals the effects of memory loss, reduced IQ, mental illness, and laziness. Unlike alcohol, which can be consumed in moderate amounts so as not to cloud one's brain function, the intent of smoking marijuana is specifically to achieve intoxication, departing reality and altering brain function. From a spiritual point of view, this also opens the individual to demonic influence and attacks.

It's thin ice, but I want to refer to St. Paul the Apostle, referring to various foods: "I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean."

So I agree that it could be problematic.

However there are also those who say that all Marijuana is medicinal. Pot has health benefits, they say.
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #106 on: September 23, 2016, 10:38:04 PM »
I'll say this: I have used marijuana abusively and it can be used abusively. I would add as a caveat that marijuana is not a drug that lends itself towards abuse, naturally. Sometimes I need to push myself to self-medicate. It always works and it's never the problem. (results may not be typical.)
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #107 on: September 23, 2016, 11:08:03 PM »
Here in Canada, many people smoke weed, some people even smoke it publicly. Our current Prime Minister promised to legalize and regulate the use of Marijuana, nevertheless, it remains illegal for now.

From a Christian point of view, especially the Eastern Orthodox and the Catholic, is smoking weed/marijuana sinful?

smoking is always harmful.
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #108 on: September 24, 2016, 02:55:44 AM »
I learned this watching youtube, that wood produces combustible gasses, some of which are not always fully combusted when ppl smoke marijuana.

True story.
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #109 on: September 24, 2016, 03:10:14 AM »
I learned this watching youtube, that wood produces combustible gasses, some of which are not always fully combusted when ppl smoke marijuana.

True story.

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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #110 on: September 24, 2016, 03:17:10 AM »
Here in Canada, many people smoke weed, some people even smoke it publicly. Our current Prime Minister promised to legalize and regulate the use of Marijuana, nevertheless, it remains illegal for now.

From a Christian point of view, especially the Eastern Orthodox and the Catholic, is smoking weed/marijuana sinful?

smoking is always harmful.

My three remaining lung cells would agree if they were capable of cognitive processes. Which doesn't bode well.
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #111 on: September 24, 2016, 03:34:55 AM »
I think cops should use marijuana. I doubt if anyone actually read the article I shared, but any medicinal user in the Canadian MP is removed from active duty.

Whereas I have heard the suggestion that every goverment official out to be tested regularly, proscriptively! In other words, it ought to be a pre-requisite.. And, they ought to be tested regularly. I don't know if anyone here has heard of that before. It may be true.
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #112 on: September 24, 2016, 03:52:56 AM »
Unlike alcohol, which can be consumed in moderate amounts so as not to cloud one's brain function

What's the fun in that?


True dat.

It's like smoking pot and stop before it kicks just to get hungry.
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #113 on: September 24, 2016, 10:12:21 PM »
Unlike alcohol, which can be consumed in moderate amounts so as not to cloud one's brain function

What's the fun in that?


True dat.

It's like smoking pot and stop before it kicks just to get hungry.

Think about it, Mike.
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #114 on: September 25, 2016, 07:09:25 AM »
Unlike alcohol, which can be consumed in moderate amounts so as not to cloud one's brain function, the intent of smoking marijuana is specifically to achieve intoxication, departing reality and altering brain function.

Isn't this why people drink coffee, though?

Caffeine is a stimulant but doesn't alter perceptions of reality or cloud one's judgement, nor is it correlated to brain damage as marijuana is.

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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #115 on: September 25, 2016, 09:37:10 AM »
Unlike alcohol, which can be consumed in moderate amounts so as not to cloud one's brain function, the intent of smoking marijuana is specifically to achieve intoxication, departing reality and altering brain function.

Isn't this why people drink coffee, though?

Caffeine is a stimulant but doesn't alter perceptions of reality or cloud one's judgement, nor is it correlated to brain damage as marijuana is.

It depends how much coffee you drink.
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« Reply #116 on: September 25, 2016, 12:34:38 PM »
It isn't acceptable; contrary to the tantrums indignant users throw when any study comes out linking marijuana to deleterious health effects, it is indeed a dangerous substance. A short conversation with a regular user reveals the effects of memory loss, reduced IQ, mental illness, and laziness. Unlike alcohol, which can be consumed in moderate amounts so as not to cloud one's brain function, the intent of smoking marijuana is specifically to achieve intoxication, departing reality and altering brain function. From a spiritual point of view, this also opens the individual to demonic influence and attacks.

You do realize that those studies concern people who start smoking weed at a young age, right? If you wait until your 20's when most of your brain development is completely done or near done, those effects are either miniscule or non-existent.
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« Reply #117 on: September 25, 2016, 06:07:07 PM »
It isn't acceptable; contrary to the tantrums indignant users throw when any study comes out linking marijuana to deleterious health effects, it is indeed a dangerous substance. A short conversation with a regular user reveals the effects of memory loss, reduced IQ, mental illness, and laziness. Unlike alcohol, which can be consumed in moderate amounts so as not to cloud one's brain function, the intent of smoking marijuana is specifically to achieve intoxication, departing reality and altering brain function. From a spiritual point of view, this also opens the individual to demonic influence and attacks.

You do realize that those studies concern people who start smoking weed at a young age, right? If you wait until your 20's when most of your brain development is completely done or near done, those effects are either miniscule or non-existent.

Most people don't wait.
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #118 on: September 25, 2016, 06:32:28 PM »
It isn't acceptable; contrary to the tantrums indignant users throw when any study comes out linking marijuana to deleterious health effects, it is indeed a dangerous substance. A short conversation with a regular user reveals the effects of memory loss, reduced IQ, mental illness, and laziness. Unlike alcohol, which can be consumed in moderate amounts so as not to cloud one's brain function, the intent of smoking marijuana is specifically to achieve intoxication, departing reality and altering brain function. From a spiritual point of view, this also opens the individual to demonic influence and attacks.

You do realize that those studies concern people who start smoking weed at a young age, right? If you wait until your 20's when most of your brain development is completely done or near done, those effects are either miniscule or non-existent.
Can you back this up?
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #119 on: September 25, 2016, 10:47:04 PM »
Unlike alcohol, which can be consumed in moderate amounts so as not to cloud one's brain function, the intent of smoking marijuana is specifically to achieve intoxication, departing reality and altering brain function.

Isn't this why people drink coffee, though?

Caffeine is a stimulant but doesn't alter perceptions of reality or cloud one's judgement, nor is it correlated to brain damage as marijuana is.

There are actually a lot of studies that show that it does damage the brain.
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« Reply #120 on: September 25, 2016, 11:21:38 PM »
I didn't find them in time to include them previously, but I'm sure that if you look for them, you'll find them.
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #121 on: September 26, 2016, 06:13:02 PM »
Can you back this up?

I would refer you to "Cannabis and the Brain: A User's Guide", at http://norml.org/component/zoo/category/cannabis-and-the-brain-a-user-s-guide, but I feel like it's a red herring, because alcohol kills brain cells for sure, and that's not why it's wrong to drink too much afaik.
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #122 on: September 27, 2016, 10:35:01 PM »
I understand that Cannabis is very popular in Egypt; has the Coptic Church said anything about it?
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #123 on: September 28, 2016, 08:04:02 PM »
It isn't acceptable; contrary to the tantrums indignant users throw when any study comes out linking marijuana to deleterious health effects, it is indeed a dangerous substance. A short conversation with a regular user reveals the effects of memory loss, reduced IQ, mental illness, and laziness. Unlike alcohol, which can be consumed in moderate amounts so as not to cloud one's brain function, the intent of smoking marijuana is specifically to achieve intoxication, departing reality and altering brain function. From a spiritual point of view, this also opens the individual to demonic influence and attacks.

This screed is false on its face, for two reasons. First, your contradiction that substances can be taken in smaller amounts, but not cannabis. Second, your upholding alcohol, which almost anyone in any generation knows causes uncounted abuses, violence, even death.

Unlike alcohol, which can be consumed in moderate amounts so as not to cloud one's brain function

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True dat.

It's like smoking pot and stop before it kicks just to get hungry.

Another evidence of the shallow thinking and observation in this thread. If one can take alcohol as a digestif, and not for drunken partying (note, I include people who aren't Americans), then one can "smoke pot and stop before it kicks in" enough to relieve pain, calm muscle spasms, cure nausea, and the like -- and indeed thousands of patients do.
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #124 on: October 01, 2016, 05:26:36 AM »
The suppression of MJ and hemp is completely irrational.  It's one of the best medicines out there.   I've got fibromyalgia and hemp is very useful for this condition- it's one of the more effective substances.  It's also good for anxiety.  So I'm very much in favor of it.

Fibromyalgia is like your muscles or nerves feeling like they are on fire.  Asprin doesn't do a thing for it.  Conventional treatments are SSRI's that can turn you into a zombie or a eunuch.

I've even used hemp instead of opiate painkillers after I messed up my shoulder playing golf (I have torn labrums in both shoulders now) and I developed Frozen Shoulder Syndrome.  My doctor actually casually wrote a prescription for oxycodone.  No thanks... I don't need the constipation or potential drug addiction.

I'm not a fan of THC but not all types of hemp contain appreciable amounts of THC.
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #125 on: October 02, 2016, 10:28:16 AM »
It isn't acceptable; contrary to the tantrums indignant users throw when any study comes out linking marijuana to deleterious health effects, it is indeed a dangerous substance. A short conversation with a regular user reveals the effects of memory loss, reduced IQ, mental illness, and laziness. Unlike alcohol, which can be consumed in moderate amounts so as not to cloud one's brain function, the intent of smoking marijuana is specifically to achieve intoxication, departing reality and altering brain function. From a spiritual point of view, this also opens the individual to demonic influence and attacks.

This screed is false on its face, for two reasons. First, your contradiction that substances can be taken in smaller amounts, but not cannabis. Second, your upholding alcohol, which almost anyone in any generation knows causes uncounted abuses, violence, even death.

There is no contradiction here; social drinking is quite common and, as acknowledged by the scriptures, acceptable. Drinking to intoxication and inane behaviour is another issue. Conversely, marijuana is not smoked "socially", and a proportionately smaller amount is required to become intoxicated. It is invariably smoked to become high, while alcohol is not always consumed to become drunk.

I am not defending the deleterious effects of alcohol. My father was a violent alcoholic who committed suicide while drunk when I was 15 - I lived through the negative impact of alcohol abuse daily for half my life. I am very much in favour of seeing its availability and use curbed. Further, while both are physically harmful substances and in no way "safe" by any stretch of the imagination, marijuana's impact on brain function, resulting in memory loss, reduced IQ, and other consequences, creates at least as many social ills as alcohol. I would like to at least see an acknowledgement of this fact from legality/use advocates.

If anyone here truly believes that marijuana use is acceptable or permissible, I strongly suggest praying to St. John of Kronstadt, who lamented the growing trend of substance abuse in many of his later writings.

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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #126 on: October 02, 2016, 06:39:19 PM »
If anyone here truly believes that marijuana use is acceptable or permissible, I strongly suggest praying to St. John of Kronstadt, who lamented the growing trend of substance abuse in many of his later writings.

Cheeze. That's one of the worst things I've heard that wasn't from a fairytale. I'm so sorry.
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #127 on: October 04, 2016, 01:35:01 PM »
If anyone here truly believes that marijuana use is acceptable or permissible, I strongly suggest praying to St. John of Kronstadt, who lamented the growing trend of substance abuse in many of his later writings.

Cheeze. That's one of the worst things I've heard that wasn't from a fairytale. I'm so sorry.

At the end of the day, these kinds of indignant responses are simply the product of people who take a wrong position, and then dislike being called out for it. Unfortunately, they are not arguments and add nothing to the debate.

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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #128 on: October 04, 2016, 02:47:01 PM »
If anyone here truly believes that marijuana use is acceptable or permissible, I strongly suggest praying to St. John of Kronstadt, who lamented the growing trend of substance abuse in many of his later writings.

Cheeze. That's one of the worst things I've heard that wasn't from a fairytale. I'm so sorry.

At the end of the day, these kinds of indignant responses are simply the product of people who take a wrong position, and then dislike being called out for it. Unfortunately, they are not arguments and add nothing to the debate.

No, I meant the story about you father. That's awful.
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #129 on: October 05, 2016, 11:15:01 AM »
If anyone here truly believes that marijuana use is acceptable or permissible, I strongly suggest praying to St. John of Kronstadt, who lamented the growing trend of substance abuse in many of his later writings.

Cheeze. That's one of the worst things I've heard that wasn't from a fairytale. I'm so sorry.

At the end of the day, these kinds of indignant responses are simply the product of people who take a wrong position, and then dislike being called out for it. Unfortunately, they are not arguments and add nothing to the debate.

No, I meant the story about you father. That's awful.

Apologies, and thank you.

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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #130 on: October 22, 2016, 10:26:11 PM »
I really couldn't see why it would be wrong to use marijuana medically, and I favour its legalisation in my country even for recreational uses for practical reasons, but smoking weed seems to fall way off the WWJD spectrum. As using morphine, hydrocodone or sleep pills recreatively would.

Maybe it's easier if you're a recovering alcoholic?
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #131 on: October 22, 2016, 10:32:56 PM »
I really couldn't see why it would be wrong to use marijuana medically, and I favour its legalisation in my country even for recreational uses for practical reasons, but smoking weed seems to fall way off the WWJD spectrum. As using morphine, hydrocodone or sleep pills recreatively would.

Maybe it's easier if you're a recovering alcoholic?
Well, maybe in that case it's not 100% recreational, although it's still something one should do their best to leave, IMHO.
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #132 on: October 22, 2016, 10:40:25 PM »
Maybe it's easier if you're a recovering alcoholic?
Well, maybe in that case it's not 100% recreational, although it's still something one should do their best to leave, IMHO.
There is a theory that all Marijuana is medicinal.
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #133 on: October 23, 2016, 11:41:44 AM »
You're much better off if you don't use marijuana. (Psychology Health) . . .
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Re: Using Marijuana (weed)?
« Reply #134 on: October 23, 2016, 11:49:49 AM »
So far there is Medicinal Marijuana, Recreational Marijuana, Sacramental Marijuana (per @wgw), and I feel like the balance is off so I'd like to suggest "Industrial Marijuana" (work drugs) and "Supplemental Marijuana" (pseudo-science).

Anyone?


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