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Here's What the Ad Hominem Fallacy Actually Is
« on: January 30, 2016, 05:45:37 PM »
From the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

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The ad hominem fallacy involves bringing negative aspects of an arguer, or their situation, to bear on the view they are advancing. There are three commonly recognized versions of the fallacy. The abusive ad hominem fallacy involves saying that someone’s view should not be accepted because they have some unfavorable property.

Thompson’s proposal for the wetlands may safely be rejected because last year she was arrested for hunting without a license.
The hunter Thompson, although she broke the law, may nevertheless have a very good plan for the wetlands.

Another, more subtle version of the fallacy is the circumstantial ad hominem in which, given the circumstances in which the arguer finds him or herself, it is alleged that their position is supported by self-interest rather than by good evidence. Hence, the scientific studies produced by industrialists to show that the levels of pollution at their factories are within the law may be undeservedly rejected because they are thought to be self-serving. Yet it is possible that the studies are sound: just because what someone says is in their self-interest, does not mean it should be rejected.

The third version of the ad hominem fallacy is the tu quoque. It involves not accepting a view or a recommendation because the espouser him- or herself does not follow it. Thus, if our neighbor advises us to exercise regularly and we reject her advice on the basis that she does not exercise regularly, we will commit the tu quoque fallacy: the value of advice is not wholly dependent on the integrity of the advisor.
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Re: Here's What the Ad Hominem Fallacy Actually Is
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2016, 06:17:57 PM »
Here's what reductio ad Severianum actually is.

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Re: Here's What the Ad Hominem Fallacy Actually Is
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2016, 06:19:06 PM »
Here's what reductio ad Severianum actually is.
But I love fish sticks!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Here's What the Ad Hominem Fallacy Actually Is
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2016, 06:21:23 PM »
Here's what reductio ad Severianum actually is.
But I love fish sticks!!!!!!!!!!

Are those made from red herring or something? I'm confused  :-\

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Re: Here's What the Ad Hominem Fallacy Actually Is
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2016, 06:23:10 PM »
Here's what reductio ad Severianum actually is.
But I love fish sticks!!!!!!!!!!

Are those made from red herring or something? I'm confused  :-\
Good one!
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Re: Here's What the Ad Hominem Fallacy Actually Is
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2016, 06:42:12 PM »
I kindda feel as the ad hominem thingie is applied out of place here.
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Re: Here's What the Ad Hominem Fallacy Actually Is
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2016, 07:42:26 PM »
Furthermore, citing typical informal fallacies in an argument is one of the lowest forms of thought.
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Re: Here's What the Ad Hominem Fallacy Actually Is
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2016, 08:50:36 PM »
I think its the fallacy of asserting that you're correct and the other party is wrong.
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Re: Here's What the Ad Hominem Fallacy Actually Is
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2016, 02:42:30 PM »
Furthermore, citing typical informal fallacies in an argument is one of the lowest forms of thought.
Where might one secure a list of the forms of thought in ascending or descending order?
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Re: Here's What the Ad Hominem Fallacy Actually Is
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2016, 02:44:41 PM »
Furthermore, citing typical informal fallacies in an argument is one of the lowest forms of thought.
Where might one secure a list of the forms of thought in ascending or descending order?
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Re: Here's What the Ad Hominem Fallacy Actually Is
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2016, 02:45:06 PM »
OC.NET is an ad hominem.

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