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Romfea - Former Archimandrite married (a) man in Boston!
« on: January 20, 2016, 02:09:13 PM »
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Former Archimandrite of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America, Mr. John Hairopoulos, who left the priesthood before about nine years, married man Saturday, January 9, 2016.  (tr. Google Translate)

http://www.romfea.gr/oikoumeniko-patriarxeio-ts/arxiepiskopi-amerikis/6022-proin-arximandritis-pantreutike-me-andra-sti-bostoni
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Re: Romfea - Former Archimandrite married (a) man in Boston!
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2016, 02:15:53 PM »
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Former Archimandrite of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America, Mr. John Hairopoulos, who left the priesthood before about nine years, married man Saturday, January 9, 2016.  (tr. Google Translate)

http://www.romfea.gr/oikoumeniko-patriarxeio-ts/arxiepiskopi-amerikis/6022-proin-arximandritis-pantreutike-me-andra-sti-bostoni

This is most stupid thing I have ever heard.

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Re: Romfea - Former Archimandrite married (a) man in Boston!
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2016, 02:29:50 PM »
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Former Archimandrite of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America, Mr. John Hairopoulos, who left the priesthood before about nine years, married man Saturday, January 9, 2016.  (tr. Google Translate)

http://www.romfea.gr/oikoumeniko-patriarxeio-ts/arxiepiskopi-amerikis/6022-proin-arximandritis-pantreutike-me-andra-sti-bostoni

As least he had the decency to leave the priesthood for a while before this.  I know one case where a priest went from monk to bride in rather short order...    :'(
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Re: Romfea - Former Archimandrite married (a) man in Boston!
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2016, 02:36:24 PM »
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Former Archimandrite of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America, Mr. John Hairopoulos, who left the priesthood before about nine years, married man Saturday, January 9, 2016.  (tr. Google Translate)

http://www.romfea.gr/oikoumeniko-patriarxeio-ts/arxiepiskopi-amerikis/6022-proin-arximandritis-pantreutike-me-andra-sti-bostoni

As least he had the decency to leave the priesthood for a while before this.  I know one case where a priest went from monk to bride in rather short order...    :'(

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Re: Romfea - Former Archimandrite married (a) man in Boston!
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2016, 02:37:36 PM »
Thank God for those content with mere cohabitation.  The church of Christ would run out of archimandrites and bishops otherwise.
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Re: Romfea - Former Archimandrite married (a) man in Boston!
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2016, 02:40:32 PM »
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Former Archimandrite of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America, Mr. John Hairopoulos, who left the priesthood before about nine years, married man Saturday, January 9, 2016.  (tr. Google Translate)

http://www.romfea.gr/oikoumeniko-patriarxeio-ts/arxiepiskopi-amerikis/6022-proin-arximandritis-pantreutike-me-andra-sti-bostoni

As least he had the decency to leave the priesthood for a while before this.  I know one case where a priest went from monk to bride in rather short order...    :'(

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Re: Romfea - Former Archimandrite married (a) man in Boston!
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2016, 02:41:18 PM »
Thank God for those content with merely cohabitation.  The church of Christ would run out of arcimandrites and bishops otherwise
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Re: Romfea - Former Archimandrite married (a) man in Boston!
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2016, 02:48:49 PM »
In what manner is this "Christian News"?

A rather expansive definition of the term to be sure.

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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2016, 02:51:04 PM »
In what manner is this "Christian News"?

A rather expansive definition of the term to be sure.
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2016, 02:51:40 PM »
In what manner is this "Christian News"?

A rather expansive definition of the term to be sure.
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2016, 02:54:17 PM »
Thank God for those content with merely cohabitation.  The church of Christ would run out of arcimandrites and bishops otherwise

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Re: Romfea - Former Archimandrite married (a) man in Boston!
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2016, 03:50:42 PM »
In what manner is this "Christian News"?

A rather expansive definition of the term to be sure.

Perhaps this is best discussed in another thread, but I think this complaint gets raised a lot and it often seems to be saying "In this thread, we are discussing something I don't care to discuss/prefer to ignore". 

On a forum which discusses Orthodox Christianity, it's difficult for me to understand how a story about

a) a former Orthodox cleric who
b) entered into a civil marriage with another man and
c) continues, based on the information presented, to be a member in good standing while
d) being publicly congratulated by Orthodox clerics and other not-so-invisible members of a Church which technically opposes such marriages

does not meet the minimum requirements for "Christian News". 

I did not start the thread because I want to tar and feather the newly married couple, but it is a news item picked up by other sites and involves a number of issues which are related to a particular Church and its life, as well as the Church considered more broadly.  I don't see why the topic should be tarred and feathered.   
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Re: Romfea - Former Archimandrite married (a) man in Boston!
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2016, 06:46:09 PM »
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Re: Romfea - Former Archimandrite married (a) man in Boston!
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2016, 01:09:48 AM »
In what manner is this "Christian News"?

A rather expansive definition of the term to be sure.

Perhaps this is best discussed in another thread, but I think this complaint gets raised a lot and it often seems to be saying "In this thread, we are discussing something I don't care to discuss/prefer to ignore". 

On a forum which discusses Orthodox Christianity, it's difficult for me to understand how a story about

a) a former Orthodox cleric who
b) entered into a civil marriage with another man and
c) continues, based on the information presented, to be a member in good standing while
d) being publicly congratulated by Orthodox clerics and other not-so-invisible members of a Church which technically opposes such marriages

does not meet the minimum requirements for "Christian News". 

I did not start the thread because I want to tar and feather the newly married couple, but it is a news item picked up by other sites and involves a number of issues which are related to a particular Church and its life, as well as the Church considered more broadly.  I don't see why the topic should be tarred and feathered.   
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Re: Romfea - Former Archimandrite married (a) man in Boston!
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2016, 02:18:24 AM »
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Former Archimandrite of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America, Mr. John Hairopoulos, who left the priesthood before about nine years, married man Saturday, January 9, 2016.  (tr. Google Translate)

http://www.romfea.gr/oikoumeniko-patriarxeio-ts/arxiepiskopi-amerikis/6022-proin-arximandritis-pantreutike-me-andra-sti-bostoni

As least he had the decency to leave the priesthood for a while before this.  I know one case where a priest went from monk to bride in rather short order...    :'(

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Re: Romfea - Former Archimandrite married (a) man in Boston!
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2016, 02:37:10 AM »
In what manner is this "Christian News"?

A rather expansive definition of the term to be sure.
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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2016, 01:47:54 PM »
Mor, I agree that it was inappropriate for his former colleagues to publicly congratulate him, assuming the quotes are accurate. But if we are to "hate the sin, but love the sinner", as the saying goes ... I would ask what should one do with respect to friends and colleagues who stray openly from the teachings of the Church? Shun them? Curse them?  Condemn them? or pray for their salvation and well being??  The google translation was somewhat ambiguous about his status, or lack thereof in the church today as a laicized former priest so I won't speculate on those points, but again without more sourced information, I think little can be added to the issue of this man and the church. ( For the record, I was taught - and honor that teaching - that his actions would have precluded him from being an active communicant in the Church.)
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Re: Romfea - Former Archimandrite married (a) man in Boston!
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2016, 02:25:36 PM »
Mor, I agree that it was inappropriate for his former colleagues to publicly congratulate him, assuming the quotes are accurate. But if we are to "hate the sin, but love the sinner", as the saying goes ... I would ask what should one do with respect to friends and colleagues who stray openly from the teachings of the Church? Shun them? Curse them?  Condemn them? or pray for their salvation and well being??  The google translation was somewhat ambiguous about his status, or lack thereof in the church today as a laicized former priest so I won't speculate on those points, but again without more sourced information, I think little can be added to the issue of this man and the church. ( For the record, I was taught - and honor that teaching - that his actions would have precluded him from being an active communicant in the Church.)

All of these questions, important though they are, go beyond what I was addressing in my comment to you; namely, that this topic meets my understanding of the criteria for "Christian News" vis a vis the forum rules.

Regarding the questions you raise, I'm not sure what to do regarding those "who stray openly from the teachings of the Church".  Cursing or condemning people is neither legitimate nor productive and should be excluded entirely. 

We could say similar things about shunning, but IMO we have to define what it means.  I don't think people should be shunned in the sense that we go out of our way to ignore them, exclude them totally from our common life, or even be rude or dismissive, preach at them, stigmatise them, etc.  So what are the options available to us?  We might say that people who stray openly, knowingly, and unrepentantly are able to join us in prayer and participate in many aspects of community life while affirming that there are certain things that are not open to them according to the teaching and tradition of the Church.  That's always going to look like "shunning" to some.  Or we can go out of our way to publicly congratulate people who are straying openly, knowingly, and unrepentantly and involve them in all aspects of community life, even against the teaching and tradition of the Church, as if it's no big deal and we escape the charge of shunning at the expense of other non-negotiables.  No matter what, something is going to give.

Prayer for the salvation and well being of our fellow men and women is always appropriate.  Love is always appropriate.  But certain situations are always going to be messy as we struggle with how to balance all the non-negotiables in the way that is most conducive to the well being and salvation of all concerned, which is why "negotiating" is always tempting. 
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Re: Romfea - Former Archimandrite married (a) man in Boston!
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2016, 11:45:56 PM »
I don't think I had ever met John while I lived in Boston with my ex near Holy Cross Seminary. But certainly he would have been around the scene. I have, however, met Tony Vrame. Tony always had a very welcoming, open nature.

"Congratulate".........that's not what I would feel would be right; and i feel that way when I encounter homosexual couples who have been together a long time in public for many years.

I never call this kind of arrangement "marriage", either; I always call it Same Sex Union, because the State Law does not recognise what Sacramental Marriage is or isn't.

I think John found a way out of the pressure on him at first, but then gradually slid down the path more and more each year that led him to find a spiritual home with the Episcopalians mentioned in the article. It's probably embracing their ideals that has redefined his view on what the Sacrament of Marriage is. And that's truly a loss.
It aalmost sounds as if he's taken "Christ the Bridegroom" slogan to the max by marrying the person he adores. Literally. Which is Amartiya (missing the mark.)

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« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2016, 01:41:12 AM »
I don't think I had ever met John while I lived in Boston with my ex near Holy Cross Seminary. But certainly he would have been around the scene. I have, however, met Tony Vrame. Tony always had a very welcoming, open nature.

"Congratulate".........that's not what I would feel would be right; and i feel that way when I encounter homosexual couples who have been together a long time in public for many years.

I never call this kind of arrangement "marriage", either; I always call it Same Sex Union, because the State Law does not recognise what Sacramental Marriage is or isn't.

I think John found a way out of the pressure on him at first, but then gradually slid down the path more and more each year that led him to find a spiritual home with the Episcopalians mentioned in the article. It's probably embracing their ideals that has redefined his view on what the Sacrament of Marriage is. And that's truly a loss.
It aalmost sounds as if he's taken "Christ the Bridegroom" slogan to the max by marrying the person he adores. Literally. Which is Amartiya (missing the mark.)

*sigh*
While he does interact with the Episcopalians, the article says that he also regularly attends and communes at an Orthodox church.
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Re: Romfea - Former Archimandrite married (a) man in Boston!
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2016, 02:24:31 AM »
I don't think I had ever met John while I lived in Boston with my ex near Holy Cross Seminary. But certainly he would have been around the scene. I have, however, met Tony Vrame. Tony always had a very welcoming, open nature.

"Congratulate".........that's not what I would feel would be right; and i feel that way when I encounter homosexual couples who have been together a long time in public for many years.

I never call this kind of arrangement "marriage", either; I always call it Same Sex Union, because the State Law does not recognise what Sacramental Marriage is or isn't.

I think John found a way out of the pressure on him at first, but then gradually slid down the path more and more each year that led him to find a spiritual home with the Episcopalians mentioned in the article. It's probably embracing their ideals that has redefined his view on what the Sacrament of Marriage is. And that's truly a loss.
It aalmost sounds as if he's taken "Christ the Bridegroom" slogan to the max by marrying the person he adores. Literally. Which is Amartiya (missing the mark.)

*sigh*
While he does interact with the Episcopalians, the article says that he also regularly attends and communes at an Orthodox church.

Right - but John is doing the Tango with 2 places whose ideologies are right around Episcopalian in nature. The key word there is "an", as in "where is this orthodox church he communes at that they are talking about." Is it EP? Not EP but Autocephalous, and communing cohabiting homosexuals like the one in my hometown does?

Those same kind of generic statements have been made about (now) aetheist Frank Schaeffer, who takes communion at "a" Greek Orthodox church in California. Ok, whose Orthodox Temple is at fault, here? Ours, or a hybrid?

Is Fr. Robert Arida still serving in Boston? I've actually met Fr. Arida in the past, and attended some of his services in the OCA.Having lived there, I can attest......some of the wierdest things do come out of Boston these days.

You can't commune a person in good conscience if that person professes openly that they are going to continue in their sin because of some type of esoteric feeling because of that sin. You have to do the right thing and not commune them in order for them to heal properly.

Even when there were months this past year when I involuntarily could not take communion for like, 3 months (because I had to scramble for work to stay alive) -- I was left in a void that really brought my thinking processes around as to who I really was inside, and what deficiencies were left, even though I didn't necessarily merit not receiving communion in my own eyes. So no communion (if it's God's will) really IS a healing thing under proper circumstances.
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« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2016, 10:30:09 PM »
Thank God for those content with mere cohabitation.  The church of Christ would run out of archimandrites and bishops otherwise.

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