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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #90 on: February 06, 2018, 09:45:56 AM »
Alas that’s a bit simplistic.

Sort of like saying ‘surely the Catholic Church wouldn’t be successful if there are priests who molest children in it’

The success of something can be unrelated to an abuse that happens.

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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #91 on: February 06, 2018, 10:50:00 AM »
Alas that’s a bit simplistic.

Sort of like saying ‘surely the Catholic Church wouldn’t be successful if there are priests who molest children in it’

The success of something can be unrelated to an abuse that happens.

Have you read the accusations? Do you believe monks are being tortured and buried alive at St. Anthony's?

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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #92 on: February 06, 2018, 10:50:46 AM »
I have had good experiences briefly visiting Elder Ephraim's monasteries, but there is one thing that strikes me now as a bit odd. My second day visiting one of them, a monk not much older than me essentially offered to be my spiritual father. He didn't know me, I didn't know him. At the time I was surprised but pleased that I could so easily acquire a spiritual father- I had, of course, read all kinds of stuff about how important and beneficial it is to have one. Circumstances arose at home, however, so that I had to leave early and there would be no time for any in-depth consultation with him. It's possible that I really missed a great opportunity but, thinking about it now, it's probably good it didn't happen. I think there needs to be some time taken for discernment when it comes to spiritual fatherhood, for both parties. It's not something to be seized or pounced upon. I don't know if this approach can be taken as representative of the monastery or Elder Ephraim's network as a whole. When I read this story I am inclined to believe it, and that this way of doing things is very easily prone to abuse, even if it doesn't always lead there. I think a lot of the criticisms of these monasteries miss the mark, but the elder-guruism that is promoted, not just for monks but for everyone, is dangerous even if often well-intended.
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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #93 on: February 06, 2018, 10:51:34 AM »
Alas that’s a bit simplistic.

Sort of like saying ‘surely the Catholic Church wouldn’t be successful if there are priests who molest children in it’

The success of something can be unrelated to an abuse that happens.

Have you read the accusations? Do you believe monks are being tortured and buried alive at St. Anthony's?


Now did I say that.....?

What I said was....you cannot 'write off' accusations using 'but he wouldnt have been able to accomplish a whole chain of monasteries.......'  logic
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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #94 on: February 06, 2018, 10:54:29 AM »
Alas that’s a bit simplistic.

Sort of like saying ‘surely the Catholic Church wouldn’t be successful if there are priests who molest children in it’

The success of something can be unrelated to an abuse that happens.

Have you read the accusations? Do you believe monks are being tortured and buried alive at St. Anthony's?


Now did I say that.....?

What I said was....you cannot 'write off' accusations using 'but he wouldnt have been able to accomplish a whole chain of monasteries.......'  logic

No, but you've implied that there might be some legitimacy to the claim of abuses at the monastery. What I said in my original post is that "abuse" is subjective - extreme penances and Athonite monasticism might appear extreme to Americans, but it's unlikely anything is happening there that hasn't been happening daily on Mount Athos for a millennium.

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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #95 on: February 06, 2018, 11:04:09 AM »
Alas that’s a bit simplistic.

Sort of like saying ‘surely the Catholic Church wouldn’t be successful if there are priests who molest children in it’

The success of something can be unrelated to an abuse that happens.

Have you read the accusations? Do you believe monks are being tortured and buried alive at St. Anthony's?


Now did I say that.....?

What I said was....you cannot 'write off' accusations using 'but he wouldnt have been able to accomplish a whole chain of monasteries.......'  logic

No, but you've implied that there might be some legitimacy to the claim of abuses at the monastery. What I said in my original post is that "abuse" is subjective - extreme penances and Athonite monasticism might appear extreme to Americans, but it's unlikely anything is happening there that hasn't been happening daily on Mount Athos for a millennium.



Nope Nope and Nope...I did not imply anything about the accusations..


However, you did...


I don't know much about ..... Elder Ephraim has managed to build a thriving monastic community in North America, and it's unlikely his vision would have succeeded had these accusation held any water.


All I have said was 'hinging the truth or non truth of the accusations on his success' is an error......as he could have succeeded and had abuses...or be non successful and had no abuses....

the two things are -unrelated-....
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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #96 on: February 06, 2018, 11:09:07 PM »
I have had good experiences briefly visiting Elder Ephraim's monasteries, but there is one thing that strikes me now as a bit odd. My second day visiting one of them, a monk not much older than me essentially offered to be my spiritual father. He didn't know me, I didn't know him. At the time I was surprised but pleased that I could so easily acquire a spiritual father- I had, of course, read all kinds of stuff about how important and beneficial it is to have one. Circumstances arose at home, however, so that I had to leave early and there would be no time for any in-depth consultation with him. It's possible that I really missed a great opportunity but, thinking about it now, it's probably good it didn't happen. I think there needs to be some time taken for discernment when it comes to spiritual fatherhood, for both parties. It's not something to be seized or pounced upon. I don't know if this approach can be taken as representative of the monastery or Elder Ephraim's network as a whole. When I read this story I am inclined to believe it, and that this way of doing things is very easily prone to abuse, even if it doesn't always lead there. I think a lot of the criticisms of these monasteries miss the mark, but the elder-guruism that is promoted, not just for monks but for everyone, is dangerous even if often well-intended.

I was skeptical of that blog post, given the witch hunt-like climate of sexual misconduct hysteria currently permeating popular discourse, and then I scrolled down to the comments section. There's a post from someone claiming to be Scott Nevins' father who literally condemns the entire GOAA  as a Jim Jones-style cult. I'd take any material from that site with a large grain of salt.

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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #97 on: February 06, 2018, 11:13:36 PM »
I have had good experiences briefly visiting Elder Ephraim's monasteries, but there is one thing that strikes me now as a bit odd. My second day visiting one of them, a monk not much older than me essentially offered to be my spiritual father. He didn't know me, I didn't know him. At the time I was surprised but pleased that I could so easily acquire a spiritual father- I had, of course, read all kinds of stuff about how important and beneficial it is to have one. Circumstances arose at home, however, so that I had to leave early and there would be no time for any in-depth consultation with him. It's possible that I really missed a great opportunity but, thinking about it now, it's probably good it didn't happen. I think there needs to be some time taken for discernment when it comes to spiritual fatherhood, for both parties. It's not something to be seized or pounced upon. I don't know if this approach can be taken as representative of the monastery or Elder Ephraim's network as a whole. When I read this story I am inclined to believe it, and that this way of doing things is very easily prone to abuse, even if it doesn't always lead there. I think a lot of the criticisms of these monasteries miss the mark, but the elder-guruism that is promoted, not just for monks but for everyone, is dangerous even if often well-intended.

Good insights. I agree with your assessment.

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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #98 on: February 07, 2018, 07:31:29 AM »
I have had good experiences briefly visiting Elder Ephraim's monasteries, but there is one thing that strikes me now as a bit odd. My second day visiting one of them, a monk not much older than me essentially offered to be my spiritual father. He didn't know me, I didn't know him. At the time I was surprised but pleased that I could so easily acquire a spiritual father- I had, of course, read all kinds of stuff about how important and beneficial it is to have one. Circumstances arose at home, however, so that I had to leave early and there would be no time for any in-depth consultation with him. It's possible that I really missed a great opportunity but, thinking about it now, it's probably good it didn't happen. I think there needs to be some time taken for discernment when it comes to spiritual fatherhood, for both parties. It's not something to be seized or pounced upon. I don't know if this approach can be taken as representative of the monastery or Elder Ephraim's network as a whole. When I read this story I am inclined to believe it, and that this way of doing things is very easily prone to abuse, even if it doesn't always lead there. I think a lot of the criticisms of these monasteries miss the mark, but the elder-guruism that is promoted, not just for monks but for everyone, is dangerous even if often well-intended.

I was skeptical of that blog post, given the witch hunt-like climate of sexual misconduct hysteria currently permeating popular discourse, and then I scrolled down to the comments section. There's a post from someone claiming to be Scott Nevins' father who literally condemns the entire GOAA  as a Jim Jones-style cult. I'd take any material from that site with a large grain of salt.

Ah yes, the comments section, sure gauge of a site’s credibility.
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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #99 on: February 07, 2018, 09:29:33 AM »
I have had good experiences briefly visiting Elder Ephraim's monasteries, but there is one thing that strikes me now as a bit odd. My second day visiting one of them, a monk not much older than me essentially offered to be my spiritual father. He didn't know me, I didn't know him. At the time I was surprised but pleased that I could so easily acquire a spiritual father- I had, of course, read all kinds of stuff about how important and beneficial it is to have one. Circumstances arose at home, however, so that I had to leave early and there would be no time for any in-depth consultation with him. It's possible that I really missed a great opportunity but, thinking about it now, it's probably good it didn't happen. I think there needs to be some time taken for discernment when it comes to spiritual fatherhood, for both parties. It's not something to be seized or pounced upon. I don't know if this approach can be taken as representative of the monastery or Elder Ephraim's network as a whole. When I read this story I am inclined to believe it, and that this way of doing things is very easily prone to abuse, even if it doesn't always lead there. I think a lot of the criticisms of these monasteries miss the mark, but the elder-guruism that is promoted, not just for monks but for everyone, is dangerous even if often well-intended.

I was skeptical of that blog post, given the witch hunt-like climate of sexual misconduct hysteria currently permeating popular discourse, and then I scrolled down to the comments section. There's a post from someone claiming to be Scott Nevins' father who literally condemns the entire GOAA  as a Jim Jones-style cult. I'd take any material from that site with a large grain of salt.

Ah yes, the comments section, sure gauge of a site’s credibility.

It's certainly a gauge of who frequents the site, and when one of them is the person leading a crusade against Elder Ephraim, and, by extension of his assertions, the entire GOA, then there's an issue.

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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #100 on: March 20, 2020, 01:28:52 PM »
St. Nektarios Monastery still has this up on their website:

http://www.stnektariosmonastery.org/evolution.php

Despite this sort of stuff, I do like the monastery very much.

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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #101 on: March 20, 2020, 06:43:48 PM »
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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #102 on: May 21, 2020, 09:50:42 AM »
 I just wanted to give opinion on this.


One thing people must remember is that when someone becomes an Orthodox Christian, starts trying to tread into the deepest spiritual waters, researching The Aerial Toll Houses, Reading The Philokalia, and living a Holy Life they are probably going to get bombarded with demonic attacks.

I really believe that is what happened to Scott Nevins.

Saint Athanasius specifically mentions how Saint Anthony was attacked by the devil and that even onlookers saw the struggle which was going on between them.

Scott Nevins was being tormented in his thoughts by the devil / demons because he was trying to live a holy life and be a monk. And if you want to get Really spiritually weird about it the times that he said Elder Ephraim said and did things to him might not have even really been Elder Ephraim but a demonic doppelgänger . Sounds ridiculous right ?  Well, there are instances of things like this happening and it is mentioned in this video  (From the teachings of St. Paisios the Athonite and from the life of St. Theodore of Volokolamsk) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wakvSy6MyhM&feature=emb_title

I honestly just think that he was being messed with by demonic forces.
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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #103 on: May 21, 2020, 11:43:59 AM »
Ah yes, well, that would be a great defense for an abuser, wouldn't it? "It wasn't me who did that to you -- it was my demonic doppelganger!"
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« Reply #104 on: May 21, 2020, 11:45:07 AM »
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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #105 on: May 21, 2020, 11:54:53 AM »
Ah yes, well, that would be a great defense for an abuser, wouldn't it? "It wasn't me who did that to you -- it was my demonic doppelganger!"

Oh, I understand exactly what you mean.

I'm actually dealing with some stuff right now that I might mention in my other thread on people using mind games and psychology mixed with witchcraft to abuse me. So I know that it happens.


I'm just saying that it might actually be a possibility that there was some strange demonic torment / deception that was happening causing some of this stuff.

Really there are any number of things that could have been the cause. People forget that sometimes evil people can become monks, become priests, become a Bishop, make it into the Patriarch etc.

Maybe it was a combination of evil people and demonic spirits messing with him.
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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #106 on: May 21, 2020, 12:11:25 PM »
Throw in mental illness for funsies.
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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #107 on: May 21, 2020, 12:15:38 PM »
Throw in mental illness for funsies.

Demons and evil people love to give the canned response of "mental illness" to hide behind so they can keep tormenting people.

It's really sick. These evil people synergistically work with demons to torture good people.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL5fve7ssS4&feature=emb_title

This video talks about what I'm referring to as in people using hidden methods to harass, persecute and influence us by secretly using Dark / Weaponized Psychology but pretending like they are not.

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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #108 on: May 21, 2020, 12:17:49 PM »
Throw in mental illness for funsies.

Demons and evil people love to give the canned response of "mental illness" to hide behind so they can keep tormenting people.

It's really sick. These evil people synergistically work with demons to torture good people.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #109 on: May 21, 2020, 12:23:27 PM »
Throw in mental illness for funsies.

Demons and evil people love to give the canned response of "mental illness" to hide behind so they can keep tormenting people.

It's really sick. These evil people synergistically work with demons to torture good people.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

But not always though.

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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #110 on: May 21, 2020, 01:15:57 PM »
Throw in mental illness for funsies.

Demons and evil people love to give the canned response of "mental illness" to hide behind so they can keep tormenting people.

It's really sick. These evil people synergistically work with demons to torture good people.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

But not always though.

Sometimes.
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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #111 on: May 22, 2020, 01:38:54 AM »
This is exactly why people with mental illness are hesitant to seek out treatment -- because there are still people, in 2020, who think it's all caused by demons or witches.
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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #112 on: May 22, 2020, 05:54:47 AM »
This is exactly why people with mental illness are hesitant to seek out treatment -- because there are still people, in 2020, who think it's all caused by demons or witches.

The general denial and disbelief in the demonic by modern(ist) Christians is an abominable heresy far more damaging.
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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #113 on: May 22, 2020, 07:24:25 AM »
This is exactly why people with mental illness are hesitant to seek out treatment -- because there are still people, in 2020, who think it's all caused by demons or witches.

Occultists love playing the mental illness card because it masks their hidden nefarious agendas.

It's actually used as an attack on their victims.



Sorcerers and witches are 100% Real even in 2020.

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,77373.0.html


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"By The Sign Of The Cross All Magic Is Stopped, and All Witchcraft Brought To Nothing"

• Athanasius of Alexandria - Life of St Anthony - par 78 (296-373 A.D.)
"But we by the mention of Christ crucified put all demons to flight, whom you fear as if they were gods. Where The Sign Of The Cross Is, Magic Is Weak And Witchcraft Has No Strength."


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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #114 on: May 22, 2020, 07:25:13 AM »
This is exactly why people with mental illness are hesitant to seek out treatment -- because there are still people, in 2020, who think it's all caused by demons or witches.

The general denial and disbelief in the demonic by modern(ist) Christians is an abominable heresy far more damaging.

^^^ This ^^^

I agree.

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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #115 on: May 22, 2020, 09:13:11 AM »
You think it's all or nothing.  Acknowledgment that illnesses exist is not a denial of the existance of the spiritual realm.
Happy shall he be, that shall take and dash thy little ones against the rock. Alleluia.

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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #116 on: May 22, 2020, 09:35:25 AM »
You think it's all or nothing.  Acknowledgment that illnesses exist is not a denial of the existance of the spiritual realm.
You put it much more succinctly than I could.
Is any of the above Orthodox?  I have no idea, so there’s that.

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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #117 on: May 22, 2020, 09:50:39 AM »
You think it's all or nothing.  Acknowledgment that illnesses exist is not a denial of the existance of the spiritual realm.

Evil people love using psychology abuse others.
"By The Sign Of The Cross All Magic Is Stopped, And All Witchcraft Brought To Nothing" .....
(On The Incarnation Of The Word - 31)
• Saint Athanasius of Alexandria (296-373 A.D.)

To the masons, the occultists, spiritualists, sorcerers, and all who do not believe in one God, but honour the demons, who do not humbly surrender their life to God, but strive to learn the future through the sorcerous invocation of demons, ANATHEMA!

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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #118 on: May 22, 2020, 09:57:18 AM »
You think it's all or nothing.  Acknowledgment that illnesses exist is not a denial of the existance of the spiritual realm.

Evil people love using psychology abuse others.

So what are you doing?
Happy shall he be, that shall take and dash thy little ones against the rock. Alleluia.

Once Christ has filled the Cross, it can never be empty again.

"But God doesn't need your cookies!  Arrive on time!"

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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #119 on: May 22, 2020, 10:05:47 AM »
You think it's all or nothing.  Acknowledgment that illnesses exist is not a denial of the existance of the spiritual realm.

Evil people love using psychology abuse others.

So what are you doing?

Giving information.

What are you doing ?


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• Saint Athanasius of Alexandria (296-373 A.D.)

To the masons, the occultists, spiritualists, sorcerers, and all who do not believe in one God, but honour the demons, who do not humbly surrender their life to God, but strive to learn the future through the sorcerous invocation of demons, ANATHEMA!

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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #120 on: May 22, 2020, 10:18:17 AM »
See what I mean? Nowhere have I said the demonic doesn't exist. What I'm saying is it should never be the first "go-to" assumption when someone is exhibiting signs of mental illness -- which ALSO exists.

But you don't want to hear that -- maybe it's not quite as exciting, eh?
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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #121 on: May 22, 2020, 10:24:59 AM »
See what I mean? Nowhere have I said the demonic doesn't exist. What I'm saying is it should never be the first "go-to" assumption when someone is exhibiting signs of mental illness -- which ALSO exists.

But you don't want to hear that -- maybe it's not quite as exciting, eh?

There's no issue.

It's just my opinion.



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• Saint Athanasius of Alexandria (296-373 A.D.)

To the masons, the occultists, spiritualists, sorcerers, and all who do not believe in one God, but honour the demons, who do not humbly surrender their life to God, but strive to learn the future through the sorcerous invocation of demons, ANATHEMA!

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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #122 on: May 22, 2020, 10:25:38 AM »
You think it's all or nothing.  Acknowledgment that illnesses exist is not a denial of the existance of the spiritual realm.

Evil people love using psychology abuse others.

So what are you doing?

Giving information.

What are you doing ?

Questioning your motives.

Does mental illness exist?
Happy shall he be, that shall take and dash thy little ones against the rock. Alleluia.

Once Christ has filled the Cross, it can never be empty again.

"But God doesn't need your cookies!  Arrive on time!"

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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #123 on: May 22, 2020, 10:28:48 AM »
You think it's all or nothing.  Acknowledgment that illnesses exist is not a denial of the existance of the spiritual realm.

Evil people love using psychology abuse others.

So what are you doing?

Giving information.

What are you doing ?

Questioning your motives.

Does mental illness exist?

Motives for what exactly ?


"By The Sign Of The Cross All Magic Is Stopped, And All Witchcraft Brought To Nothing" .....
(On The Incarnation Of The Word - 31)
• Saint Athanasius of Alexandria (296-373 A.D.)

To the masons, the occultists, spiritualists, sorcerers, and all who do not believe in one God, but honour the demons, who do not humbly surrender their life to God, but strive to learn the future through the sorcerous invocation of demons, ANATHEMA!

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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #124 on: May 22, 2020, 10:35:08 AM »
You think it's all or nothing.  Acknowledgment that illnesses exist is not a denial of the existance of the spiritual realm.

Evil people love using psychology abuse others.

So what are you doing?

Giving information.

What are you doing ?

Questioning your motives.

Does mental illness exist?

Motives for what exactly ?

Does mental illness exist?
Happy shall he be, that shall take and dash thy little ones against the rock. Alleluia.

Once Christ has filled the Cross, it can never be empty again.

"But God doesn't need your cookies!  Arrive on time!"

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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
« Reply #125 on: May 22, 2020, 10:42:48 AM »
You think it's all or nothing.  Acknowledgment that illnesses exist is not a denial of the existance of the spiritual realm.

Evil people love using psychology abuse others.

So what are you doing?

Giving information.

What are you doing ?

Questioning your motives.

Does mental illness exist?

Motives for what exactly ?

Does mental illness exist?

I sent you a PM.


I've given my opinion.

I'll stop posting in this thread now so I don't offend anyone.



"By The Sign Of The Cross All Magic Is Stopped, And All Witchcraft Brought To Nothing" .....
(On The Incarnation Of The Word - 31)
• Saint Athanasius of Alexandria (296-373 A.D.)

To the masons, the occultists, spiritualists, sorcerers, and all who do not believe in one God, but honour the demons, who do not humbly surrender their life to God, but strive to learn the future through the sorcerous invocation of demons, ANATHEMA!

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Re: Controversy around Elder Ephraim of Arizona?
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