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Eating my words, I was totally wrong
« on: December 26, 2015, 01:58:27 PM »
Okay I could say "well it this or that" for why I snapped yesterday, yes my grandfather been in the hospital but glory to god he been released, and yes him being sick, along with the holiday bills had me drinking a a bit more than I should. However forget the darn excuses, no matter who was right or wrong or whatever the heck, I was 100% wrong for my actions. Out of anger towards A.N.  putting me dwn and comparing to Archie Bunker. I said some regreatful stuff to the Copts. I could say sorry or whatever but that doesn't erase anything, I just want to move the heck on. I felt frustrated and I snapped, I fett hurt so I wanted to hurt those who hurt me by dropinvg verbal nukes. I respected A.N. when I first got on here, I thought we were cool with eachother, however I felt slighted by him when he and others went after me.  I ain't asking for no stinkin apology from him, that bridge was burned when I threw gasoline, lit a match, and burned it. What done is done, i messed up big time, I just want to apologize in general to oc.net, I don't share more of your ethnicities, I'm not a crade like many here, and I don't share most your politics as I lean more right than most here So I'm sorry to oc.net in general I even came into here in the first place, this place deserves better than the stuff I said towards liberals, ethnic cradles, Copts. I understand people like biro, A.N., volnutt, agabus I burned any bridge with, whatever I learned my lesson so my words are empty to you all. I can eever take back the words, that's life but I'm apologizing to cc.net because I should of never came in here and rubbed people the wrong way, and try to hurt when I felt slighted. Oc.netters you deserve better than tee actioss I displayed. I guess i'll stick to topics not involving culture, politics, and cradle/convert issues, if I don't get the boot. Anyone that hates my guts well I deserve it, I deserve your dislike towards me.

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Re: Eating my words, I was totally wrong
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2015, 02:17:10 PM »
Gosh, I'm so sorry to hear of your troubles, especially at this time of year. May our dear Christ have mercy on you and your family.
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Re: Eating my words, I was totally wrong
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2015, 02:44:16 PM »
Thanks Peter, shoot I just realizied so many spelling errors. It time to not use a pantech, and save up the cash for a new phone, where I can type better. Sorry my spelling errors, it the letters are small on a pantech.
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Re: Eating my words, I was totally wrong
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2015, 02:46:51 PM »
Lord have mercy.

Praise the Lord that your father has been released from the hospital.

Again, let us remember each other in our daily prayers that we may be saved.
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Re: Eating my words, I was totally wrong
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2015, 02:56:43 PM »
Fwiw, some thoughts that will hopefully make things seem less problematic:

1) Regarding cradle/convert:

- In this 2012 poll 70% of oc.net users who responded said they were converts, while only 30% said they were cradles of some kind.
- An earlier 2005-2006 poll had roughly the same: 60% convert and 40% cradle.
- And in this 2009 poll had about 88% respond as convert and 12% identifying as cradle (though the title is probably the reason for the difference; we see almost the same result in this similar poll from 2014)

I'd imagine a poll these days would give you roughly the same for the forum: about 2/3rd converts. But anyway, there is  a nice mix of both.


2) I have no idea what the breakdown is of left/right as far as politics. As with most forums not based in some kind of niche political beliefs/system, the further from center you get the less people you'll have identifying with that position. And it's been years since I participated in politics, so I'm not sure how many are in there or what it's like. Having said that, of the hundreds of members, and maybe 50-75 active/regular members, I can think of maybe 8-10 who are liberal or slightly-left-leaning centrists; the majority of this forum leans conservative, even if not necessarily the same degree or kind of conservative as your own.


3) I'm also pretty sure that most people here are either generic 'American' or from a country outside the traditional Orthodox strongholds (Greek, Russian, etc.) The number of people identifying as Greek, Russian, or Greek-American, Serbian living in America, etc. is probably tiny--like 5-10% maybe. Part of the thing here isn't ethnicity so much as religious or other closeness; and part of it might just be a desire for fairness and things not getting pushed too far this way or that.
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Re: Eating my words, I was totally wrong
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2015, 03:02:09 PM »
Lord have mercy.

Praise the Lord that your father has been released from the hospital.

Again, let us remember each other in our daily prayers that we may be saved.

Yes let's pray for each other. I'm happy my grandfather out of the hospital, Father and I prayed after liturgy for him, I think staring at Christ while praying I knew how wrong I was yesterday on here. Orthodox prayers seem to truly help, like a real connection with the devine. I owe my loyalty to my priest, he truly is a man that is awesome in meeting the local community needs, even strangers love him.  Hearing my grandpa was released was like a "no way!, prayers work" moment lol.

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Re: Eating my words, I was totally wrong
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2015, 04:10:08 PM »
Okay I could say "well it this or that" for why I snapped yesterday, yes my grandfather been in the hospital but glory to god he been released, and yes him being sick, along with the holiday bills had me drinking a a bit more than I should. However forget the darn excuses, no matter who was right or wrong or whatever the heck, I was 100% wrong for my actions. Out of anger towards A.N.  putting me dwn and comparing to Archie Bunker. I said some regreatful stuff to the Copts. I could say sorry or whatever but that doesn't erase anything, I just want to move the heck on. I felt frustrated and I snapped, I fett hurt so I wanted to hurt those who hurt me by dropinvg verbal nukes. I respected A.N. when I first got on here, I thought we were cool with eachother, however I felt slighted by him when he and others went after me.  I ain't asking for no stinkin apology from him, that bridge was burned when I threw gasoline, lit a match, and burned it. What done is done, i messed up big time, I just want to apologize in general to oc.net, I don't share more of your ethnicities, I'm not a crade like many here, and I don't share most your politics as I lean more right than most here So I'm sorry to oc.net in general I even came into here in the first place, this place deserves better than the stuff I said towards liberals, ethnic cradles, Copts. I understand people like biro, A.N., volnutt, agabus I burned any bridge with, whatever I learned my lesson so my words are empty to you all. I can eever take back the words, that's life but I'm apologizing to cc.net because I should of never came in here and rubbed people the wrong way, and try to hurt when I felt slighted. Oc.netters you deserve better than tee actioss I displayed. I guess i'll stick to topics not involving culture, politics, and cradle/convert issues, if I don't get the boot. Anyone that hates my guts well I deserve it, I deserve your dislike towards me.

What I'd like to know from you, seeker, and what I think you should be asking yourself as it pertains to your participation on these boards is this:

Why are there only two settings for you: BFFs and mortal enemies?

I don't have the time or the interest to do an exhaustive search right now, but from what I can remember, our interactions with one another on these boards have been fairly limited and - for the most part - cordial.  I remember you soliciting some advice from me and other posters as you considered joining a Coptic Church in your area and were concerned about possible Protestant influence in our jurisdiction.  I remember us agreeing on whether or not Protestant influence in the Coptic Church was a good or a bad thing, and also agreeing that we should pray for the Church on that score.  I further remember you saying some dodgy, broadly stereotypical and strange things about various non-white peoples in a number of other discussions, discussions which I intentionally avoided.  From that very limited interaction, it seems you thought of us as bosom chums, an impression I never shared.  Understand, I never bore you any ill will at all, but I certainly didn't see us as close confidants or allies capable of "stabbing one another in the back" as you seemed to.

Additionally, I was peripherally aware of a number of discussions in which you - to borrow your phrase - went off the deep end and employed what you consider "verbal nukes" on posters you disagreed with, most notably making racial remarks to Mor Ephrem, before abjectly apologizing for the same. Believe it or not, I'm not Kreskin.  This was how I was able to predict so accurately that you'd be making this public apology for your utterly extreme and unwarranted statements in our "discussion" (if such your fuming can be termed) and here we are.  Whatever your life circumstances are now (and I do sincerely hope and pray they improve) this is not your first time engaging in this sort of behavior.  You went from zero to inexcusable genocidal xenophobe on me in a single post.  This can't be chalked up to mere differences in politics, race, ethnicity, culture, cradle vs. convert, or anything else.  You projected a bunch of your own inaccurate hang-ups as it pertains to the aforementioned issues onto me and any number of other posters involved in the discussion.  Why go to that extreme?  You do realize that you can disagree with people without calling for their eradication, right?  There is something between complete and total agreement on the one hand and empty macho posturing and calls for the obliteration of a people on the other, right?

People on these boards aren't always going to agree with you, and more often than not, those who think they're clever will try to score some points off you in the process so their little fan clubs can dump Gatorade on them and tell them how witty they are.  You can't control that, you can only control how you react to it.  If I think someone can "take a punch", I lay into them as much as the limits of the forum and good taste allow for such an infraction.  If I gauge them to be more of a softy...someone who might actually be injured through such verbal sparring - or if mutual friends of mine and the person in question ask me to go easy on so-and-so because he or she is fragile - I might just let them off easy instead of having a bit of good-natured fun at their expense.  No one here hates you.  At least I don't.  But I would ask that in the future you post as if you know there are settings on the dial between Hello Kitty and Balrog.
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Re: Eating my words, I was totally wrong
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2015, 04:35:17 PM »
ok what is balrog? as far as sterotyping races I  publicly blew up on MOR once, yes indeed I was wrong, but I don't think I made nasty comments on african americans, native americans, jews, hispanics, etc. and if anyone mention past comments towards muslims, Islam not a race, it a religion. to clarify I been harsh to Zionism but not all jews, but I just wanted to point that out. Anyways when I am hurt I tend to use whatever I can to put someone down, again I was wrong. Yes I can disagree as long as both parties agree to disagree, and keep it polite, and what in the heck is a kerskin? No honestly a what? I never heard of it, and I don't know how reliable wikipedia is on that word. A kerskin? Honestly I love learning somthing new, a kerskin?

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Re: Eating my words, I was totally wrong
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2015, 05:15:47 PM »
Balrog is a monster from Lord of the Rings. The Amazing Kreskin was a TV mentalist (expert on reading people's body language in a way that made it seem like he was reading their minds) in the 70s.

Like I said, I bare you no ill will. I know what it's like to blow up at people and I regret it every time. All you can do is try and do better next time.
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Re: Eating my words, I was totally wrong
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2015, 05:43:14 PM »
ok what is balrog? as far as sterotyping races I  publicly blew up on MOR once, yes indeed I was wrong, but I don't think I made nasty comments on african americans, native americans, jews, hispanics, etc. and if anyone mention past comments towards muslims, Islam not a race, it a religion. to clarify I been harsh to Zionism but not all jews, but I just wanted to point that out. Anyways when I am hurt I tend to use whatever I can to put someone down, again I was wrong.[/size] Yes I can disagree as long as both parties agree to disagree, and keep it polite, and what in the heck is a kerskin? No honestly a what? I never heard of it, and I don't know how reliable wikipedia is on that word. A kerskin? Honestly I love learning somthing new, a kerskin?

Okay, this is the part we need to focus in on.  It's not important what a Balrog is or who Kreskin was.  Neither are the specifics of your racialist or xenophobic tirades.  What is important is the bolded sentence.

1. You should not be "hurt" over someone's commentary about something you've written on an online message board if it's not something intimate or personal, most especially as it pertains to politics or your misguided opinions on how people of other groups should process the racism they experience (something you clearly have absolutely no experience with).  You're giving anonymous strangers on the internet too much power to hurt your feelings.  This is not what Ralph Tresvant had in mind when he said the ladies wanted a man with sensitivity.  (There's another one for you:  Kreskin, Balrog & Tresvant.  It's not a law firm.)

2.  If someone does hurt your feelings, you need to find another way to express that aside from wishing - no praying - for them and everyone who looks like them to be wiped from the face of the earth, challenging them to fisticuffs when you don't know the first thing about them, cursing at them, etc.  Grow up.  Get a little snarky back.  Whatever.  But don't freak out in the extreme and then grovel about it later.  I'm sure when they check back in, the mods are going to have something to say about this little episode.  Otherwise, we've all got a license to go ape-poop on anyone who looks at us cockeyed.

3. Don't say "I was wrong" and then give us a repeat performance the next time someone needles you a little.  This is not the first time this scenario has played itself out with you on these boards.  I'm walking you through the process this time, because I know we all make bad decisions in the heat of the moment, but the next time you spazz out on me, you might not find me in such a forgiving mood.
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Re: Eating my words, I was totally wrong
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2015, 06:16:48 PM »
Balrog is a monster from Lord of the Rings. The Amazing Kreskin was a TV mentalist (expert on reading people's body language in a way that made it seem like he was reading their minds) in the 70s.

Like I said, I bare you no ill will. I know what it's like to blow up at people and I regret it every time. All you can do is try and do better next time.

I bare no ill will towards you either. I will try harder, and take A.N. advice he blunt,but fair.

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Re: Eating my words, I was totally wrong
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2015, 07:00:41 PM »
The good news, no one cares.

Just post differently.

Save the emo passive aggressive apologies and the energy to post them.
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Re: Eating my words, I was totally wrong
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2015, 10:03:27 AM »
Hmmm, I don't know how I missed all this drama and excitement. Serves me right for not spending my Christmas on oc.net, I suppose. Anyways, seeker, I hope you are doing ok. No one hates you, but as with all things on the internet, when you get fired up about something, it is hard for people to resist pushing that button again. Peace.
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Re: Eating my words, I was totally wrong
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2015, 10:47:30 AM »

Seeker, looking forward to your future participation on this Forum.

As others have already said, don't take things here too personally. If you feel there is an issue brewing, please just let the mods know and we will handle it.

I pray your grandfather and all your family enjoy a healthy and happy new year!
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