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« on: July 20, 2005, 10:17:06 AM »

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  Beloved Friends

  I know that Jesus did not begin the ministry of Christ in us until the day of Pentecost the day his apostles receive power from high Christ in them the hope of glory.

  I know this because I have ask but I did not ask about Ministries Jesus may or may not had before his death so lets look as a man

Eph 4:11  And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12  For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

This ministries are for the perfecting of the saints,  for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

But what about ministries before the body of Christ

These ministries would be more the perfecting of the believer who believe in the coming of Christ,  for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the future body of Christ or of God

When did Jesus begin his earthly ministries at age 12

Back in Luke 2 he about his father business

Luke 2:49  And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?

At 12 he was a man

If you take his age at death 30 and take away 12 you get 18 now divide by five earthly ministries you get 3.6 the years

Now if you add a six ministry you get 3

Jesus the Christ had the ministry of teacher            age 12-15
Jesus the Christ had the ministry of pastor              age 15-18
Jesus the Christ had the ministry of evangelist        age 18-21
Jesus the Christ had the ministry of prophet        age 21-24   
Jesus the Christ had the ministry of apostle             age 24-27
Jesus the Christ had the ministry son of God           age 27-30

Note this ministries may be in wrong order above

Now the seventh ministry the ministry of Christ    age 30-.........

Hope this helps I had been thinking about the ministry of Christ and could not think of others it ok to be only part right but I missed a lot of the picture

thank you

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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2005, 10:37:15 AM »

Maybe I'm not understanding you, but I don't see how you can separate Christ's ministry and teachings into different "phases."  Also, wouldn't His entire life and ministry in the world have been ministry as the Son and Word of God?
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2005, 11:02:50 AM »

God first

Beloved Veniamin

God bless your loving heart

Yes Jesus lived his life as the son of God doing the will of God which is the word of God

Now why not Jesus Christ had all temptations of men why not all blessings

Why not ?

I believe he done them all but gift ministries are gifts and he would of done each and everyone

He taught the children of God, he pastor the children of God, he evangelists or reach out to call the children to call, he was a prophet he told then what will come, he apostles bringing new light to the children, he declared his self has the son of God, and he won over death giving him the ministry of Christ

Now I do believe he done all of these all the time but there were times in his life he taught more than othes

I believe he show himself as all one by one proving to the world he was the son of God

the number three establised things or complets things

Jesus would of establised himself as a teacher, pastor, evangelist, prophet, apostles, and as the son of God

Is this the order he done it I do not know but he would of left no room for foolish mockers

Now am I right will you must talk to God about that yourself and you can believe what you see best

I just gave you something to think about

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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2005, 11:30:25 AM »

Year 2027 many years, mind if I ask you a question?

Do you belive that Father is God and that the Son is God and that the Holy Spirit is God, but that They are not three gods but One God?

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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2005, 11:55:46 AM »

Jesus the Christ had the ministry of teacher  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  age 12-15
Jesus the Christ had the ministry of pastor  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  age 15-18
Jesus the Christ had the ministry of evangelist  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  age 18-21
Jesus the Christ had the ministry of prophet   ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚ age 21-24   
Jesus the Christ had the ministry of apostle  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚ age 24-27
Jesus the Christ had the ministry son of God  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚ age 27-30

Note this ministries may be in wrong order above

Now the seventh ministry the ministry of Christ  ÃƒÆ’‚  age 30-.........

Your ages dont add up, Christ's ministry started in the 15 year of the Reign of Tiberius, which would be 29 A.D., now if we take the Traditional Date of Christ's Birth, that puts that at 29 and the Crucifixion 3 1/2 years later at either 32 or 33. If, however, we use the probably more accurate modern calculations, Christ was born in 4 B.C. which would have made him 33 at the start of his ministry, and either 36 or 37 at the time of his Crucifixion.
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2005, 12:01:21 PM »

I would tend to agree with GIC here. The Scripture says that Jesus was "about thirty" when he started his ministry, not "exactly thirty" (Luke 3:23)  The point that Luke was making was that Jesus was old enough to be a Rabbi.
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2005, 02:11:10 PM »

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I noted that Roy Boy did not answer your question. Either he's asleep or ignoring you or he does not believe in the trinity. Or he's just been hanging out with Tom Cruise for too long
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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2005, 02:36:32 PM »

I think it's a stretch to call Christ an apostle (given that the apostles were those who preached Christ) and I can't think of anywhere that I've seen him called that (someone please correct me if I'm wrong here).  You might be able to pull that one off by saying that he was an apostle of the Father, but that would seem to relegate him to the status of a messenger, rather than God in his own right.  I think calling Christ a prophet is even more of a stretch, as the prophets spoke the word of God in order to prepare Israel and the world for Christ's coming.  It would make no sense for Christ, having come, to prophesy his own coming.  Either he fulfills prophecy, or he proclaims the coming of another.  Again, you can get around that by saying that he prophecied the coming of the Holy Spirit, but that runs into the same problem as simply calling him an apostle.  I'm sure the more knowledgable members will correct me if I'm off-base anywhere, but this just doesn't seem to be consonant who Christ is and what his earthly ministry was.
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2005, 03:15:23 PM »

Brothers and Sisters all,
My dears, it has been a long time. This man is obviously delusional, but God, with Him is nothing impossible.
All I will tell, is pray for this man.
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2005, 06:32:36 PM »

Brothers and Sisters all,
My dears, it has been a long time. This man is obviously delusional, but God, with Him is nothing impossible.
All I will tell, is pray for this man.
Many years

Agreed! Guys, there is no reasoning with this man. Try aS you might, you ain't goonna drag him out of delusion and prelest by logic.
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2005, 06:47:20 PM »

God first

Beloved Sin_Vladimirov

God bless your heart

I believe Jesus Christ is the son of God

I believe the Word of God = God's word no matter whether spoken by God himself or his son Jesus the Christ or even me and you

If I speak what you have ask me to speak to a group of people word for word the words are mine just spoken by you

But if you just speak what in your heart it your words

But we know Jesus Christ all ways did the will of the father

Now the Holy Spirit is God the Gift and God is God the father and the Word of God are God's words

Jesus Christ did more than speak the words of God he control his actions by God's will

with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

Beloved Greekischristian

God bless your heart

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Your ages dont add up, Christ's ministry started in the 15 year of the Reign of Tiberius, which would be 29 A.D., now if we take the Traditional Date of Christ's Birth, that puts that at 29 and the Crucifixion 3 1/2 years later at either 32 or 33. If, however, we use the probably more accurate modern calculations, Christ was born in 4 B.C. which would have made him 33 at the start of his ministry, and either 36 or 37 at the time of his Crucifixion.
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No you used add differ than I

Jesus was born the 4,000th year of history our 3 BC

Jesus Christ after the custom of the feast being 12 years old
Luke 2:42     The Arabic Gospel of the Infancy of the Saviour 1:50 
Gospel of Thomas 19:1

4012th year of history or our 9 AD

and

Jesus Christ midst of the doctors
Luke 2:46  The Aquarian Age Gospel of Jesus, the Christ of the Piscean Age 19:1

4012th year of history or our 9 AD

Jesus Christ Jesus began to hide His miracles and mysteries and secrets, and to give attention to the law, until He completed his 13 year
The Arabic Gospel of the Infancy of the Saviour 1:54

4013th year of history or our 10 AD

Jesus Christ Jesus family went to Jerusalem at age 10

when Jesus Father publicly declared Him at the Jordan by this voice sent down from heaven 13 years old at the river Jordan
The Arabic Gospel of the Infancy of the Saviour 1:54

4013th year of history or our 10 AD

Jesus entered Persia on his homeward way. at age 24
The Aquarian Age Gospel of Jesus, the Christ of the Piscean Age 38:1

Jesus Christ preached the Gospel , and done signs and wonders, He who was Himself the Judge was judged by the Jews, falsely for 3 years
Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians 10

4027th -4030th year or our 24 AD - 27 AD

Jesus Christ come seeking fruit for 3 years
Luke 13:7
4027th -4030th year or our 24 AD - 27 AD

Jesus Christ was baptized by John at 30 years old
Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians 10

Tiberius Caesar third emperor rule 22 years five months and three days
The Antiquities of the Jews Book 18 6:5,10   
Wars of the Jews or The History of the Destruction of Jerusalem Book 2 9:5

4013th year or 27 AD to 4035th year to our 49 AD

but this a thing that there is a a lot of debate over

with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

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Beloved Aserb

Give me time

why play your childness games I have a life to live not on line 24/7

God bless your heart

with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

Beloved Veniamin

God bless your heart

Christ would of have all the gifts of God that we can have and why not an apostle of God

with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

Beloved Vasilisa

God bless your heart

I will pray for you too

with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2005, 06:49:02 PM »

God first

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God bless your heart

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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2005, 02:06:44 AM »

Dear brother, you did not answer me as directly as I hope you will.

Can you with positive or negative statement show whether you belive that Father is God and that the Son is God and that the Holy Spirit is God, but that They are not three gods but One God?

Many years!
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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2005, 02:15:18 AM »

Vladimirov,

Roy said in another thread that he is not a Trinitarian.
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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2005, 02:24:09 AM »

Thank you brother.




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« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2005, 02:42:44 AM »

Maybe I'm not understanding you, but I don't see how you can separate Christ's ministry and teachings into different "phases."...

Please forgive me if I am mistaken, but that would sound like dispensationalism.
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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2005, 03:49:31 AM »

 For there are three that bear witness in Heaven:
 the Father,
 the Word,
and the Holy Spirit;
and these three are one.
And there are three that bear witness on earth:
 the Spirit,
the water,
 and the blood;
 and these three agree as one” (1 John 5:6-8).

ALSO.....
  “In the beginning was the Word” means that the Word is co-eternal to God.
What’s more, Saint John explains further that in respect of His existence,
 the Word does not separate from God and consequently,
 It is One Essence to God and finally,
he directly calls the Word God: “and the Word was God.”
Here, the word “God” was applied in Greek without any co-member,
 giving rise to the Arians and Origen to assert that the Word is not the same God as God the Father.........continued
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« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2005, 11:34:40 AM »

MODS!

I'm all for free-for-all when we are sane, but someone in this world needs protection from himself and our prayers.
Could we end this thread? 
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« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2005, 12:28:08 PM »

I seond the above motion.

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« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2005, 04:40:05 PM »

I still don't understand what the point of this thread was in the first place.
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« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2005, 10:46:42 PM »

I still don't understand what the point of this thread was in the first place.

You mean... there's supposed to be a point?   Grin
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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2005, 12:13:09 AM »

God first

Beloved Sin_Vladimirov

God bless your heart my friend

I believe God is the Father, God is the Holy Spirit. God is the Giver and its was God's words that Jesus the Christ spoke for God

Jesus Christ is the son for me

I believe it Christ in us with God in Christ

But that is me and you can believe as you see best

with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

Beloved Matthew777

God bless your heart

God gave us gift ministries

Eph 4:11  And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12  For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry,..

In the old teastment there were prophets, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers and I would say Moses was a Apostel but not of Jesus Christ but of God

If Jesus Christ had all evil trow at him why not all blessing

with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

Beloved Eleni

God bless your heart

Yes there are three that bear witness in heaven the Father God and the Holy Spirit and God's word no matter who speakes it

Yes the spirit, water, and the blood agree as one

The spirit being the gift of holy spirit the Christ in us, the water being the living word of God in our hearts, and the blood being the life we have receive by believing

but as me believe what you see best

with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

Beloved Aserb

God bless your heart

Judge not unless you be judge

my friend my mind is sound and yes I had problems in past but who as not in past

with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

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God bless your heart

with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

Beloved Cephas

God bless your heart

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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2005, 01:52:36 AM »


I'm all for free-for-all when we are sane, but someone in this world needs protection from himself and our prayers.


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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2005, 08:59:24 PM »

God first

Beloved Prodromos

God loves you

pray all you want but it will change nothing

I will still love God and his son

Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior

God is my heavenly father

I have eyes that see and ears that hear my mind and spirit are sound

But you want to cut me down because I do not think like you

Just like the Pharisee's did to Jesus the Christ

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« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2005, 09:41:01 PM »

Lord have mercy.
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« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2005, 10:25:06 PM »

Beloved sin_vladimirov

God loves you

So you want mercy God is all ways will to have mercy on his children

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« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2005, 10:36:35 PM »

An African Creed
A Masai version of Christianity's Nicene Creed, developed by missionaries in Africa.   

We believe in the one High God, who out of love created the beautiful world and everything good in it. He created man and wanted man to be happy in the world. God loves the world and every nation and tribe on the earth. We have known this High God in darkness, and now we know him in the light. God promised in the book of his word, the bible, that he would save the world and all the nations and tribes.

We believe that God made good his promise by sending his son, Jesus Christ, a man in the flesh, a Jew by tribe, born poor in a little village, who left his home and was always on safari doing good, curing people by the power of God, teaching about God and man, showing the meaning of religion is love. He was rejected by his people, tortured and nailed hands and feet to a cross, and died. He lay buried in the grave, but the hyenas did not touch him, and on the third day, he rose from the grave. He ascended to the skies. He is the Lord.

We believe that all our sins are forgiven through him. All who have faith in him must be sorry for their sins, be baptized in the Holy Spirit of God, live the rules of love and share the bread together in love, to announce the good news to others until Jesus comes again. We are waiting for him. He is alive. He lives. This we believe. Amen. 
 


this creed inspires me......non of that "god from god" "light from light" jazz......simple, easy, and moving. I get teary eyed when I read this.
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« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2005, 10:41:39 PM »

God IS Love Year2027, a great and unmeasurable Love, nevertheless, damned will be those who do not enter into sabbath of God, for there will be tears and cringing of the teeth.

God does have mercy, a great and unmeasurable mercy, nevertheless those who do not do as they should will be kicked out where worm does not die into fire that does not go out.

Great will be the horror of those who say no to His mercy.



Pray to God, for you are on the path of destruction. For one that says: "pray all you want but it will change nothing" to another, is truly on a path that stinks of sulphur.
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« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2005, 10:59:34 PM »


 


......non of that "god from god" "light from light" jazz......
      umm,dude..I know you`re new here but, this is an ORTHODOX Christian web site. Comments like that are more than slightly offensive and will arouse much ill-will from even the most loving people on this forum.
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« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2005, 11:18:11 PM »

God first

Beloved st.arius?

God bless your heart

I never read the "An African Creed" but I love it thanks

you see I believe that way

I have been reading "The Essene Gospel of Peace of Jesus Christ" this days

thanks

peace as we wait for Jesus the Christ return

with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

Beloved sin_vladimirov

God bless your heart

Yes God is love but God is spirit too and light

Yes the end will come and many will be sorry

I have the mercy and grace of God in my life

You can not change by beliefs by pray because God gave me free will

Nor can I pray your beliefs into change its a law

Why must you worry about one little doctrial differ

I am save I have done Rom 10:9-10

I have confess Jesus the Christ as Lord of my life Jesus the Christ is my focus on every thing I do

I have confess Jesus the Christ with my mouth and with my actions

and I believe is all my heart that Jesus the Christ was born from one Mary as the son of God to live in the flesh upon this earth I believe Jesus the Christ heal the sick and many other things I believe he died on the cross for all menkind and rose from the dead after three days and after being seen by many Jesus the Christ went up in the air

I believe its Christ in us the hope of glory

I believe the dead in Christ will rise first and the alive and Christ will rise next

I have read the bible and I love to read it

I live in the spirit and I walk in the spirit

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God judges my heart and he has judged me faithful to the best of my ability
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« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2005, 11:24:21 PM »

God judges my heart and he has judged me faithful to the best of my ability

Really?  You already know how God has judged you?  Did he tell you himself or do you just "know?"  How can I get a direct line on how he's going to judge me?

Oh, and no kisses please, holy or otherwise.  I normally don't even let friends hug me, much less strangers give me cyber-spiritual-kisses.  Sorry.
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« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2005, 11:35:40 PM »

God first

Beloved Mo the Ethio

God bless your heart

What wrong with that please verse and scripture

I never read one can not say that

God from God is that not that what others are pushing on me saying God created himself in Mary to be born as Jesus in the flesh and then this Jesus called himself Father and talk to hisself

Later this Jesus raised from the death and went to heaven to sit on his own right hand

And what about light from light does the bible say that light can not come from light please verse and scripture

If something sonds wrong I just say it sounds wrong but you pointed at him and now you have you other fingers pointing at you

We know that this is a ORTHODOX Christian web site

We may not know all your beliefs but we want to learn from you and maybe teach you something

that what it about learning to love each other and leaving our pride at home

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« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2005, 11:41:17 PM »

God first

Beloved Veniamin

God loves you

God told me by the spirit of Christ which lives in my heart

the Christ in me

Why do you not live by the bible when its reads

Rom 16:16  Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.

Or is you pride pushing the words of God from you

I salute with a holy kiss not because I want to but because I am taught by the word of God to do

with love and a spiritual kiss of love unto you from Roy
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« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2005, 07:33:36 AM »

God first

Beloved Veniamin

God loves you

God told me by the spirit of Christ which lives in my heart

the Christ in me

Why do you not live by the bible when its reads

Rom 16:16ÂÂ  Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.

Or is you pride pushing the words of God from you

I salute with a holy kiss not because I want to but because I am taught by the word of God to do

with love and a spiritual kiss of love unto you from Roy

Not so fast, hoss, I can throw around scripture quotes, too.

Mark 6:11  And whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony against them.

We're all obviously not receiving you or hearing you, so why do you not live by the words of the Bible?  Or is your pride pushing the words of God from you?

So no kisses this time Roy my boy.
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« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2005, 09:57:42 AM »

God first

Beloved Veniamin

God loves you

But I have heard and have received you into my life but I just will believe every one that comes out of your mouth

Rom 3:4  God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

1 John 1:10  If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1 John 4:20  If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Titus 1:2  In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

Now we see man can lie and all have in the past but God cannot lie so I trust him and not you

But I hear your words

As you are reading my words and receiving them because you are wrotten back whether you believe them or not

You can not pick which verses you want from the bible but you must use them all

I was not into blowing kisses but the word reads greet others with them so I do it

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« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2005, 10:04:49 AM »

You can not pick which verses you want from the bible but you must use them all

Really?  Shall I go put to death all of my co-workers who are wearing polyester blend suits?
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« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2005, 07:37:46 PM »

God first

Beloved Veniamin

God bless your heart

You should do as the bible that address to you tells you to do

You are a Jew or Gentile that has joint the Church of God

The Old Testament is for your learning and you live the New Testament books address to you

But no were in the bible does it tell you to put any one to death but Judgement is the Lords not your's

Have fun mocking me because when you mock me you mock the Lord Jesus Christ because its his words I live by and his words are God's words

So why do you mock God

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« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2005, 08:21:48 PM »

We're not mocking you, but you're not Christian if you don't believe in Christ, which you have said you don't, so why bother giving nonChristian "messages" to a bunch of Christians when we have had all prophecy fulfillment we need in Christ, our God? This is a Christian forum. Do you want to discuss Christianity? Do you want to learn about Christianity? If not, then why give us messages that we do not need, for we are given everything in Christ, who is the fulfillment of all the prophecies?
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« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2005, 08:46:21 PM »

God first

Beloved choirfiend

God loves you as does his son Jesus Christ

I believe in Christ but just not the way your personal law reads

I believe in Jesus as my Lord and Savior who came in the flesh as the son of God

How dare you say I do not believe in Christ what do you think you are greater than God who reads the hearts of people

You do not know what in my heart that can only be done my God

You have a hang up on trinity

No where does it say I have to believe in trinty to be saved

Go back and reread Romans 10:9-10

I am not telling you not to believe in your trinity why are you pushing it on me

drop this and move on either share something that could bless me that you was taught or shut your mouth

I has God bless you today what was taught Sunday or what do you know about the love of God

If you really a believer act like one All of this junk about killing and stoning as got to stop now in the named of by Lord Jesus the Christ

I may not be a orthodox but I came here to learn about the love that the orthodox Church teach about

But this as been far from it

Do you think you are a men of God?

I see myself as a child still in the womb

But you seem to be puff up

Go down to earth Christ said come to God as a child

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sorry I got mad but enought is enought

stop pushing your believes on me share them and leave it up to me to see the ones that will help me

I have not even had time to read other treads from you pushing things on me

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« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2005, 09:07:10 PM »

You walked into an Orthodox forum of your own free will (you do believe in that, don't you?).ÂÂ  Do you really expect to be able to walk into someone else's home, assert that what they believe is not right, and then get way with claiming that they are forcing their beliefs on you when they defend their beliefs?ÂÂ  The Orthodox Church, the Bride of Christ, is the recipient and guardian of the fullness of the truth; there is nothing in other beliefs for us to learn.ÂÂ  Indeed, how could there be?ÂÂ  If there was, we would not have the fullness of the truth.ÂÂ  If we did not possess that, that would mean that Christ's promise was broken, that the gates of Hell did prevail against the Church.ÂÂ  Do you truly wish to call Christ a liar?ÂÂ  It is our sacred charge not to learn anything from other Christians but to teach them what parts of the faith they are missing, to bring the faith to the entire world.ÂÂ  You prize the Bible and exalt it above nearly all, but forget who wrote and preserved that Bible.ÂÂ  Everything that you know about God, whatever fragments of belief you have, are the gift of Orthodoxy, of Christ's Church.ÂÂ  What fragments of truth you understand, you know because Orthodoxy taught them and some pieces are still remembered in the West.ÂÂ  Christianity is not about learning from each other; it is about truth and salvation.ÂÂ  When you speak and say that Christ is not God, you speak against God himself.ÂÂ  Gamble with your own salvation if you wish, but do not accuse us of forcing our beliefs on you when you willingly come to a place where those beliefs are proclaimed.

To paraphrase our Lord and our God, get thee behind us, Troll.
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« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2005, 09:10:02 PM »

Who has the "please don't feed the trolls" avatar?
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« Reply #41 on: July 28, 2005, 09:10:55 PM »

Who has the "please don't feed the trolls" avatar?

Ozgeorge.

Where is he when you need him?

And can we not sell the trolls on eBay?  Or send them to ByzCath, maybe?
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« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2005, 09:48:44 PM »

God first

Beloved Veniamin, and cizinec

I was ask if I believe in the trinity so do not say I came here to do wrong I came here to share the truth I know

I told the truth

Here more you have no love of God in your heart but I know not all here are evil like you two

For Jesus Christ said it too the Pharisee's

Your father is the devil or that the way you seen to talk

You see I do not want to think any evil of even you but you have nothing but hate and evil talk toward me

Yes I know that some here know my beliefs from other boards and begin with evil in their hearts but not all

its not up to me to judge but I leave it with God the father of Jesus Christ

Do not watse my time any more with fools

NO CHURCH ON EARTH AS ALL THE TRUTH not Orthodox or any other only the true Church the church which is made up of all fleshly churches

I left the Way Ministry because that talk like you and I call them a cult or you one too

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The Essene Gospel of Peace of Jesus ChristIntro by Jim: on the true Wholistic Teachings of Jesus outlined here.
The Politics of Religion usually intellectualizes into theological trivia. For centuries, debates centered on such things as "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin".

The movie "Stigmata" was written, because the Roman Catholic church sought to suppress the "Gospel of Thomas", because the church wanted tithers to believe that God lives in their church. The Roman Catholic church also sought to suppress translations of the Dead Sea Scrolls (see books "Dead Sea Scrolls Deception" & "Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered"), which showed aspects of the Essene teachings at Qumran, many of which Jesus taught, that the church didn't want published, because it contradicted official church teachings.

The Essene Gospel of Peace, also called the Gospel of Peace of Jesus Christ, was written earlier than any book in the New Testament. It was translated into old Slavic in the 1st Century, ans has always been venerated by the Eastern Orthodox church.

The Roman Catholic church has the original Aramaic, but has chosen to relegate it to the Secret Archives of the Vatican, which only priests can access. The Council of Nicea in 325 AD did some wrong things that are now becoming evident. 2 of the most evident are:

1) they removed the Apocrypha from the Bible, which have always been included by the Jews
2) they voted to change the Sabbath (saturday) to Sunday, mainly because Emperor Constantine had worshipped the Sun god. [most early christians woshipped on sabbath]

When you understand that the Nicean vote went as it did, because they physically knocked out Clement of Alexandria, so he wouldn't vote, you begin to wonder.
The minority voters, like the Gnostics, were declared heretical.

Their core teachings, as in the Nag Hammadi scrolls, are still ignored today in major theological debates, but were a major force in the earliest church.
Mainstream theologians love to use questionable fringe doctrines from fringe cults to disqualify early core Gnostic and Essene Judeo Christian teachings they don't like.

The major Jewish sects at the time of Jesus were the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the Samaritans, the Essenes, and the Zealots. John the Baptist was undebatedly an Essene, and many of Jesus's teachings in the Essene Gospel of Peace are more fully described in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

A quote from Jesus, "the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak", could well be applied here. When the body is weak, it's difficult for the spirit and mind to commune with the Father.

He recommended cleaning up the body to be able to focus on the Father's Holy Spirit without distraction.
Some terms, like "Earthly Mother", trouble some people.
Jesus is not deifying the Earth (despite modern Gaia-movements), but, like the Essenes, recognizes the energies we need from her, and accepts them with the works of the angels.

Read this with an open mind. Practice it. Modern Books that show the curing capability of raw food are "Live Food Juices" by H.E. Kirschner, "Fresh Fruit and Vegetable Juices" by N.W. Walker, plus books by Max Gerson, Harvey Diamond, etc. Other older books, like the Gospel of the Holy Twelve, also show the same wholistic teachings of Jesus, which most modern churches choose to ignore.
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what do you know about this book which talks about the Eastern Orthodox church.

that all

with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

PS all truth came from God whether read from the book called the bible or the book of life or book of love



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« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2005, 10:05:23 PM »

Evil?ÂÂ  Evil?ÂÂ  EVIL??ÂÂ  

I do my best to speak in defense of Christ's Bride and you call me evil?ÂÂ  Whether you want to believe it or not, Orthodoxy is the complete, pure, and spotless Church of Christ that exists here and now and has existed since the day of Pentecost.ÂÂ  If you want to say that it does not yet exist, you call Christ a liar, for he himself said that the gates of hell would never prevail against his church.ÂÂ  Do you really want to do that?ÂÂ  Do you really want to speak slander against the son of God?ÂÂ  You don't get to say that you follow Christ's teachings and then call him a liar.ÂÂ  Pick one or the other, but quit speaking out of both sides of your mouth.ÂÂ  We have survived insults and slanders such as yours for two thousand years and by Christ's promise, we always will.ÂÂ  We've endured others who have sown the Evil One's deceits; with God's grace, we'll do it again...despite your best efforts to prevent it.
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« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2005, 10:05:45 PM »

Wow.  I've never been called "evil" for telling someone they were a troll.

Huh.  A bit of an over-reaction?

Oh well.  That's what trolls do!  That's why we love 'em so.
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