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Re: Fr. Georges Massouh: Holy War Isn't Holy
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2015, 02:24:38 AM »
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and yet Fr. Giryus and Fr. George both are of the same church as you are.  I explained my support in detail.  I didn't just dismiss you outright or belittle your beliefs.  I would appreciate a similar more informed response, or at least a respect of disagreement as you would treat a priest befitting of the good professionalism you possess.

I dismissed their stance, too, as contradictory not only to an official statement of MP, than contradictory to what Orthodox Christians that I know believe.

I didn't want to belittle you.. It is just something Zionists/Westerenrs would like us, Orthodox Christians, to believe now. I therefore found it appropriate to point that it is inappropriate for you to refer to us as "we".

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Re: Fr. Georges Massouh: Holy War Isn't Holy
« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2015, 02:27:30 AM »
Is the MP infallible?

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Re: Fr. Georges Massouh: Holy War Isn't Holy
« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2015, 02:28:37 AM »
Is the MP infallible?

Only as an M, not as a P.
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Re: Fr. Georges Massouh: Holy War Isn't Holy
« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2015, 02:31:32 AM »

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Re: Fr. Georges Massouh: Holy War Isn't Holy
« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2015, 03:17:21 AM »
Wonderful article.


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Re: Fr. Georges Massouh: Holy War Isn't Holy
« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2015, 10:32:58 AM »
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Prophesies are not meant to predict the future, but to help us understand the past once we have been through it.

While what you said may be true regarding prophecies, but not regarding the Apocalypsis of St. John, I will note that it doesn't address my complaints about the article.

Let us just note that we differ on this, on my side, respectfully to your priesthood.

Respect noted.

Now, perhaps my brevity was a problem here, so I'll state this more clearly: the Orthodox Church does not have a single, once-and-for-all, thorough, complete, and 'perfect' interpretation of the entire Book of Revelation of St. John.  No Synod has approved one, nor have our bishops, who bear the sacred responsibility of teaching the True Faith, made such an effort.

That should tell you something.

In fact, historically speaking, the Orthodox Church not only resisted placing the Book in the canon, but it is not read liturgically at all.  While you may find it in iconography on Mt. Athos, its scenes are always outside the church proper (I have some photos of Revelation frescoes that were in porch areas I believe).

So, placing too much emphasis or importance on the Book, particularly in the way you are doing so, goes 'against the grain' of the rest of the Church.  Of course, you are free to have your opinions, since these do not distort the dogmatic truths of the Church, but you would do well to heed Fr. Georges, who teaches at the Balamand at the direction of the Patriarch himself.
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Re: Fr. Georges Massouh: Holy War Isn't Holy
« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2015, 02:27:52 PM »
The Iraq war wasn't holy either.
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Re: Fr. Georges Massouh: Holy War Isn't Holy
« Reply #52 on: November 14, 2015, 02:50:50 PM »
The Iraq war wasn't holy either.

Well, not everyone was shouting 'Allahu Akbar.'
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Re: Fr. Georges Massouh: Holy War Isn't Holy
« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2015, 03:44:14 PM »
The Iraq war wasn't holy either.

No it wasn't it was a disaster

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Re: Fr. Georges Massouh: Holy War Isn't Holy
« Reply #54 on: November 25, 2015, 07:31:33 AM »
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Now, perhaps my brevity was a problem here,

No, it is not what the problem was.

The problem was that you misunderstood my proper lay politeness in responding to you as a priest.

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so I'll state this more clearly: the Orthodox Church does not have a single, once-and-for-all, thorough, complete, and 'perfect' interpretation of the entire Book of Revelation of St. John.  No Synod has approved one, nor have our bishops, who bear the sacred responsibility of teaching the True Faith, made such an effort.

That should tell you something.
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Let me state this more clearly: I don't need you to tell me this.

I also wouldn't need a bishop, or a Synoc, or a Council, to make an interpretation of the Revelation. If there had been a need for it, it would have been done ages ago.

I particularly don't need an American bishop, priest, or a Synod, to teach me his NATO interpretation of Orthodoxy.
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Re: Fr. Georges Massouh: Holy War Isn't Holy
« Reply #55 on: November 25, 2015, 07:34:48 AM »
Father, when's the NATO catechism coming out? Hopefully soon, before the apocalypse starts.
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Re: Fr. Georges Massouh: Holy War Isn't Holy
« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2015, 12:14:48 PM »
The problem was that you misunderstood my proper lay politeness in responding to you as a priest.

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I particularly don't need an American bishop, priest, or a Synod, to teach me his NATO interpretation of Orthodoxy.

I knew it was too good to be true.
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Re: Fr. Georges Massouh: Holy War Isn't Holy
« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2015, 02:29:22 PM »
NATO catchechism? am i the only one lost by that statement  ???

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Re: Fr. Georges Massouh: Holy War Isn't Holy
« Reply #58 on: November 25, 2015, 02:51:23 PM »
I try not to ask so that I do not lead a poster into temptation.  :P (especially when I feel the answer might not be worth it)
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Re: Fr. Georges Massouh: Holy War Isn't Holy
« Reply #59 on: November 25, 2015, 02:56:58 PM »
I try not to ask so that I do not lead a poster into temptation.  :P (especially when I feel the answer might not be worth it)

good advice  :)