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Martin Luther and Romans 3:28 - Defense in adding "Alone"
« on: November 02, 2015, 12:20:56 AM »
http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2006/02/luther-added-word-alone-to-romans-328.html

Interesting defense of Luther especially this quote:
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“Furthermore, I am not the only one, nor the first, to say that faith alone makes one righteous. There was Ambrose, Augustine and many others who said it before me.”

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Re: Martin Luther and Romans 3:28 - Defense in adding "Alone"
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2015, 12:35:24 AM »
I remember reading somewhere that it was actually Pelagius who was the first to add "alone" to Romans 3:28, and that contrary to what some Protestants think, he didn't teach works-righteousness. Rather, he, like a fifth-century Charles Finney, taught "easy-believist" revivalism. Augustine's objection to Pelagius was not primarily soteriological, but rather ecclesiological, since if you can be saved by simple individual "easy belief" in Jesus, that renders the Church and the sacraments utterly irrelevant to salvation.

One of the Princeton theologians (Warfield, I think it was) said that the Reformation was the triumph of Augustine's view of salvation over Augustine's view of the Church. Perhaps it might be more apt to say that monergistic Protestantism is actually Augustine's soteriology married to Pelagius' ecclesiology!
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Re: Martin Luther and Romans 3:28 - Defense in adding "Alone"
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2015, 10:38:54 AM »
I get very wary when anyone adds words in to Scripture to make it support their theology. If St Paul had wanted the word "alone" to be there, he would have written it.

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Re: Martin Luther and Romans 3:28 - Defense in adding "Alone"
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2015, 11:25:04 AM »
I remember reading somewhere that it was actually Pelagius who was the first to add "alone" to Romans 3:28, and that contrary to what some Protestants think, he didn't teach works-righteousness. Rather, he, like a fifth-century Charles Finney, taught "easy-believist" revivalism. Augustine's objection to Pelagius was not primarily soteriological, but rather ecclesiological, since if you can be saved by simple individual "easy belief" in Jesus, that renders the Church and the sacraments utterly irrelevant to salvation.

One of the Princeton theologians (Warfield, I think it was) said that the Reformation was the triumph of Augustine's view of salvation over Augustine's view of the Church. Perhaps it might be more apt to say that monergistic Protestantism is actually Augustine's soteriology married to Pelagius' ecclesiology!

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Re: Martin Luther and Romans 3:28 - Defense in adding "Alone"
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2015, 12:39:33 PM »
I get very wary when anyone adds words in to Scripture to make it support their theology. If St Paul had wanted the word "alone" to be there, he would have written it.

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