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Do you think a Patriarch of USA can be a positive force ?
« on: November 01, 2015, 10:53:31 AM »
Imagine a very old & bearded Patriarch, a respected holy elder who leads the Orthodox Church of America, do you think that can be a moral booster & a positive force ?
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Re: Do you think a Patriarch of USA can be a positive force ?
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2015, 12:49:35 PM »
For any other country I would say yes.

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Re: Do you think a Patriarch of USA can be a positive force ?
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2015, 06:28:05 PM »
Imagine a very old & bearded Patriarch, a respected holy elder who leads the Orthodox Church of America, do you think that can be a moral booster & a positive force ?

I think a unified Church with an accepted leader could be a moral and positive force but said person need not be a 'very old and bearded' holy elder. (Yeah, he has to have a beard, but there are beards and there are beards and he has to have earned the respect of his people......)

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Re: Do you think a Patriarch of USA can be a positive force ?
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2015, 06:49:19 PM »
A moral booster and positive force for whom, Orthodox laity in America or Americans in general?
Is any of the above Orthodox?  I have no clue, so there's that.

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Re: Do you think a Patriarch of USA can be a positive force ?
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2015, 07:24:07 PM »
A moral booster and positive force for whom, Orthodox laity in America or Americans in general?

I think both perhaps...the late Archbishop Iakovos of thrice blessed memory, comes to mind...

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Re: Do you think a Patriarch of USA can be a positive force ?
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2015, 11:41:56 PM »
If they were a talented and wise rhetorician, practical politician, adequate theologian, and put the Sermon on the Mount first, sure. Or just the last thing.
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Re: Do you think a Patriarch of USA can be a positive force ?
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2015, 12:07:08 AM »
A moral booster and positive force for whom, Orthodox laity in America or Americans in general?

I think both perhaps...the late Archbishop Iakovos of thrice blessed memory, comes to mind...

Weren't there rumors that he was planning on being declared Patriarch of America?
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Re: Do you think a Patriarch of USA can be a positive force ?
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2015, 12:08:35 AM »
I nominate Brother Nathaniel ;)

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Re: Do you think a Patriarch of USA can be a positive force ?
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2015, 12:29:26 AM »
Imagine a very old & bearded Patriarch, a respected holy elder who leads the Orthodox Church of America, do you think that can be a moral booster & a positive force ?

I think a unified Church with an accepted leader could be a moral and positive force but said person need not be a 'very old and bearded' holy elder. (Yeah, he has to have a beard, but there are beards and there are beards and he has to have earned the respect of his people......)

Well, there is a long American-as-apple-pie tradition of "mountain men".



Obviously the bearhead wouldn't be an appropriate headpiece for a hierarch, but in keeping with American sensibilities, the Patriarch could still have a more rustic or "outdoorsy" look to his vestments than his Old World counterparts would.
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Re: Do you think a Patriarch of USA can be a positive force ?
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2015, 02:38:13 AM »
Imagine a very old & bearded Patriarch, a respected holy elder who leads the Orthodox Church of America, do you think that can be a moral booster & a positive force ?

No.

Him, and his synod would just be an easy target for anti-Christian governmental forces to push on. In case of preaching Orthodoxy, he would be elimiteted soon (reposed by a staged scandal, or outrightly killed).

Americans are much more better off with overleaping jurisdictions, since there are chances that they could find unadultered Orthodoxy somewhere.
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Re: Do you think a Patriarch of USA can be a positive force ?
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2015, 02:53:24 AM »
Imagine a very old & bearded Patriarch, a respected holy elder who leads the Orthodox Church of America, do you think that can be a moral booster & a positive force ?

No.

Him, and his synod would just be an easy target for anti-Christian governmental forces to push on. In case of preaching Orthodoxy, he would be elimiteted soon (reposed by a staged scandal, or outrightly killed).

Americans are much more better off with overleaping jurisdictions, since there are chances that they could find unadultered Orthodoxy somewhere.
Do you really think if he is a pious and beloved of God, that the Lord will let the devils make mockery of him ?

Actually i am more concerned if he be just another ecumenist, in which case it will be a disaster.

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Re: Do you think a Patriarch of USA can be a positive force ?
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2015, 02:57:11 AM »
Imagine a very old & bearded Patriarch, a respected holy elder who leads the Orthodox Church of America, do you think that can be a moral booster & a positive force ?

No.

Him, and his synod would just be an easy target for anti-Christian governmental forces to push on. In case of preaching Orthodoxy, he would be elimiteted soon (reposed by a staged scandal, or outrightly killed).

Americans are much more better off with overleaping jurisdictions, since there are chances that they could find unadultered Orthodoxy somewhere.

What anti-Christian government?

Almost all U.S. elected officials are Christian.
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Re: Do you think a Patriarch of USA can be a positive force ?
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