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Offline JOHNYJ82

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Rome and Oriental no More
« on: July 15, 2005, 01:30:35 AM »
It has been reported that the term,Oriental   Orthodox has been abandoned by Rome except for the Indian Oriental Orthodox church. That with the joint declarations of all the other   ( formerly ) Oriental Orthodox and Rome.The term is no longer applicable.So as far as Rome is concerned all these churches are Orthodox.This of course is only visa vie them and Rome.

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Re: Rome and Oriental no More
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2005, 03:28:51 AM »
It has been reported that the term,Oriental  ÃƒÆ’‚ Orthodox has been abandoned by Rome except for the Indian Oriental Orthodox church. That with the joint declarations of all the other  ÃƒÆ’‚ ( formerly ) Oriental Orthodox and Rome.The term is no longer applicable.So as far as Rome is concerned all these churches are Orthodox.This of course is only visa vie them and Rome.


Great, that's going to help clarify things in ecumenical discussions - I don't think. What's the point anyway? Neither we nor the OOs call ourselves Eastern or Oriental as a matter of course, it's just a useful distinguisher for others talking about us. If I was a bit more cynical, I might suspect this was a ploy to make Orthodoxy look more divided than it is by lumping together both communions as though they were one. That's a favourite tactic of Protestant polemicists like the infamous Paul Negrut. I'd rather just believe it's another example of woolly minded PC thinking, though.

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Re: Rome and Oriental no More
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2005, 05:26:16 PM »
If anything its making us look more united by referring to us all simply as "Orthodox."  It might not be a bad idea.  After all, the ironic thing about our titles, is that they both mean exactly the same thing.  The words "Eastern" and "Oriental" are redundant.  I'm surprised no one notices this.
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Re: Rome and Oriental no More
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2005, 07:12:29 PM »
It has been reported that the term,Oriental   Orthodox has been abandoned by Rome except for the Indian Oriental Orthodox church. That with the joint declarations of all the other   ( formerly ) Oriental Orthodox and Rome.The term is no longer applicable.So as far as Rome is concerned all these churches are Orthodox.This of course is only visa vie them and Rome.


Is Rome deciding who is Orthodox? 

So there is nothing new in this news. If this is a true news, they are doing this to confuse people.  In India, the Orthodox church is known as "Paurasthya Sabha" which means 'Oriental Church'.  "Paurashtya Katholikka' in India means 'Catholicos of the East' who is the head of the Eastern Church. Paurasthya is Sanskrit word which means East or Orient and very commonly used in vernacular writings.

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Re: Rome and Oriental no More
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2005, 07:11:26 AM »
Yes.  I'm sure the new Pope has a secret agenda to confuse everyone so that he can divide and convert them all over to Latin Catholicism.

If you are going to say that by this decision Rome is deciding "who's Orthodox" then based on the report we must conclude that Rome has decided that we all are Orthodox (EO's and OO's).

There no need for paranoia here.  I welcome this news if its true.
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Re: Rome and Oriental no More
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2005, 12:43:18 PM »
I think it was about time that we were united as One Orthodox Church. You never hear about the divisions in the Frankish Church, I wonder why????

 I welcome this move by the Frankish Church too. I just hope they don't start wrongly accusing us all of being Nestorian, Monophysite, Monothelite and Eutychian. And then arguing that we have all fallen into heresy, in order to justify the Schism....oh they actualy have done this before and they still do this now...Oh well,  who cares? ;D
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Re: Rome and Oriental no More
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2005, 01:53:45 AM »
Ecumenism has been a major Catholic goal since Vatican II . Triumphalism which slowed  Ecumenism befor Vat. II is gone. Pope John Paul II especialy pushed Ecumenism hard. The joint declarations of the ( formerly ) Oriental Orthodox and Rome Affirming Orthodox Christology and the  place of the Theotokos.
Was an acomplishment of that work.