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Re: Can Roman Catholics and Anglicans venerate icons? Her Majesty is.
« Reply #45 on: September 18, 2015, 11:36:52 AM »
Anglicans are quite ok with imagery and icons. Every famous Church of England Cathedral I ever visited has Icons.

Here's two icons from Southwark Cathedral,

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/Sakuramochi95/12019985_10206574848081493_7938332486185608234_n_zpstcpgrhpe.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/Sakuramochi95/12038229_10206574846201446_1244812641722163721_n_zpsyhpn8tz2.jpg

Whether or not these icons are venerated is another issue all together though.

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Re: Can Roman Catholics and Anglicans venerate icons? Her Majesty is.
« Reply #46 on: September 18, 2015, 07:27:46 PM »
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Re: Can Roman Catholics and Anglicans venerate icons? Her Majesty is.
« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2015, 07:37:47 PM »
From my knowledge, roman catholics venerate icons.

It might be more accurate to say the Roman Catholics venerate images, which includes icons, statues, pictures, etc. A lot of Catholic imagery is decorative, but people certainly kiss statues and light candles and incense in front of them. It is also very different among different ethnicities.

I think the trend in most Roman Catholic Churches is away from the veneration of Icons.
Where I live, almost all the statues and icons are no longer in Roman Catholic parishes, but they are moved to a side chapel where the Eucharist is reserved. Few venture therein. Nevertheless, in Eastern Catholic Churches, icons are venerated. In fact, those are the only places where veneration of icons is consistent.

In Anglican Churches, veneration of icons occurs far less frequently than in the Roman Catholic Churches, unless it is a High Anglican church.

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Re: Can Roman Catholics and Anglicans venerate icons? Her Majesty is.
« Reply #48 on: September 18, 2015, 10:59:02 PM »
Anglicans are quite ok with imagery and icons. Every famous Church of England Cathedral I ever visited has Icons.

Here's two icons from Southwark Cathedral,

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/Sakuramochi95/12019985_10206574848081493_7938332486185608234_n_zpstcpgrhpe.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/Sakuramochi95/12038229_10206574846201446_1244812641722163721_n_zpsyhpn8tz2.jpg

Whether or not these icons are venerated is another issue all together though.

Icons are rarely, if ever, venerated by Anglicans. Their presence in churches, and few at that, are because they're "exotic" and "mystical", a facet of "Anglican comprehensiveness". Few Anglicans seriously look into what icons truly are and their place in Orthodox worship and devotion.
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Re: Can Roman Catholics and Anglicans venerate icons? Her Majesty is.
« Reply #49 on: September 18, 2015, 11:41:02 PM »
Anglicans are quite ok with imagery and icons. Every famous Church of England Cathedral I ever visited has Icons.

Here's two icons from Southwark Cathedral,

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/Sakuramochi95/12019985_10206574848081493_7938332486185608234_n_zpstcpgrhpe.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/Sakuramochi95/12038229_10206574846201446_1244812641722163721_n_zpsyhpn8tz2.jpg

Whether or not these icons are venerated is another issue all together though.

Icons are rarely, if ever, venerated by Anglicans. Their presence in churches, and few at that, are because they're "exotic" and "mystical", a facet of "Anglican comprehensiveness". Few Anglicans seriously look into what icons truly are and their place in Orthodox worship and devotion.
I don't know much about them to say whether they venerate them or not. The low church probably would see them as art and exotic decoration. The high church may have more respect for them.

I'll grant that the Church of England put them there as a sort of gesture of respect for the Eastern Orthodox.

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Re: Can Roman Catholics and Anglicans venerate icons? Her Majesty is.
« Reply #50 on: September 18, 2015, 11:56:53 PM »
Anglicans are quite ok with imagery and icons. Every famous Church of England Cathedral I ever visited has Icons.

Here's two icons from Southwark Cathedral,

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/Sakuramochi95/12019985_10206574848081493_7938332486185608234_n_zpstcpgrhpe.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/Sakuramochi95/12038229_10206574846201446_1244812641722163721_n_zpsyhpn8tz2.jpg

Whether or not these icons are venerated is another issue all together though.

Icons are rarely, if ever, venerated by Anglicans. Their presence in churches, and few at that, are because they're "exotic" and "mystical", a facet of "Anglican comprehensiveness". Few Anglicans seriously look into what icons truly are and their place in Orthodox worship and devotion.
I don't know much about them to say whether they venerate them or not. The low church probably would see them as art and exotic decoration. The high church may have more respect for them.

I'll grant that the Church of England put them there as a sort of gesture of respect for the Eastern Orthodox.



No doubt. The icons help to beautify their churches. For most Anglicans, church is a social event, a happy habit, where one puts on his or hers best clothes, visits family and acquaintances, and hears some words of platitude from the pastor, such as:

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The definition of insanity (or sin) is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results.
(attributed to Albert Einstein)

However, the people are given absolutely no grace to stop sinning, just a little hope to keep on doing the same insane things in hopes that something will work someday.

But the icon, if they even look at it, could add some hope.

The memory of God should be treasured in our hearts like the precious pearl mentioned in the Holy Gospel. Our life's goal should be to nurture and contemplate God always within, and never let it depart, for this steadfastness will drive demons away from us. - Paraphrased from St. Philotheus of Sinai
Writings from the Philokalia: On Prayer of the Heart,
Translated from the Russian by E. Kadloubovksy and G.E.H. Palmer, Faber and Faber, London, Boston, 1992 printing.

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Re: Can Roman Catholics and Anglicans venerate icons? Her Majesty is.
« Reply #51 on: September 18, 2015, 11:59:19 PM »
I think thats an altogether unfair characterization of Anglicanism.  Ive attended Anglican church enough times to be able to attest to the existence of piety therein.
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Re: Can Roman Catholics and Anglicans venerate icons? Her Majesty is.
« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2015, 12:15:44 AM »
Anglicans are quite ok with imagery and icons. Every famous Church of England Cathedral I ever visited has Icons.

Here's two icons from Southwark Cathedral,

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/Sakuramochi95/12019985_10206574848081493_7938332486185608234_n_zpstcpgrhpe.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/Sakuramochi95/12038229_10206574846201446_1244812641722163721_n_zpsyhpn8tz2.jpg

Whether or not these icons are venerated is another issue all together though.

Icons are rarely, if ever, venerated by Anglicans. Their presence in churches, and few at that, are because they're "exotic" and "mystical", a facet of "Anglican comprehensiveness". Few Anglicans seriously look into what icons truly are and their place in Orthodox worship and devotion.
I don't know much about them to say whether they venerate them or not. The low church probably would see them as art and exotic decoration. The high church may have more respect for them.

I'll grant that the Church of England put them there as a sort of gesture of respect for the Eastern Orthodox.



No doubt. The icons help to beautify their churches. For most Anglicans, church is a social event, a happy habit, where one puts on his or hers best clothes, visits family and acquaintances, and hears some words of platitude from the pastor, such as:

Quote
The definition of insanity (or sin) is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results.
(attributed to Albert Einstein)

However, the people are given absolutely no grace to stop sinning, just a little hope to keep on doing the same insane things in hopes that something will work someday.

But the icon, if they even look at it, could add some hope.
How many Anglican services at how many Anglican churches have you visited, Maria?
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Re: Can Roman Catholics and Anglicans venerate icons? Her Majesty is.
« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2015, 12:26:30 AM »
Anglicans are quite ok with imagery and icons. Every famous Church of England Cathedral I ever visited has Icons.

Here's two icons from Southwark Cathedral,

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/Sakuramochi95/12019985_10206574848081493_7938332486185608234_n_zpstcpgrhpe.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/Sakuramochi95/12038229_10206574846201446_1244812641722163721_n_zpsyhpn8tz2.jpg

Whether or not these icons are venerated is another issue all together though.

Icons are rarely, if ever, venerated by Anglicans. Their presence in churches, and few at that, are because they're "exotic" and "mystical", a facet of "Anglican comprehensiveness". Few Anglicans seriously look into what icons truly are and their place in Orthodox worship and devotion.
I don't know much about them to say whether they venerate them or not. The low church probably would see them as art and exotic decoration. The high church may have more respect for them.

I'll grant that the Church of England put them there as a sort of gesture of respect for the Eastern Orthodox.



No doubt. The icons help to beautify their churches. For most Anglicans, church is a social event, a happy habit, where one puts on his or hers best clothes, visits family and acquaintances, and hears some words of platitude from the pastor, such as:

Quote
The definition of insanity (or sin) is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results.
(attributed to Albert Einstein)

However, the people are given absolutely no grace to stop sinning, just a little hope to keep on doing the same insane things in hopes that something will work someday.

But the icon, if they even look at it, could add some hope.
How many Anglican services at how many Anglican churches have you visited, Maria?

Enough. When I was a child and then a teenager, my dad would take us camping at least twice or three times a year, and then head for the nearest church in the nearest town thinking that it was Catholic, when it was Anglican because the billboard said "St. Mark's Church," "St. John the Divine Church," "St. Luke's Church," or "St. Paul's Church" or St. Mary's Church". It was not until we received the parish bulletin after the service was over, that we realized that we were in the wrong church. They had almost the same Novus Ordo liturgy as was celebrated in the Roman Catholic Church, and the same banal sermon, and the same hymns. We felt at home, unthreatened, with people wearing decent clothes and smiling at everyone. My dad tried to find different campsites to visit, so we were always surprised that he found so many different Anglican churches.

It always made for interesting confessions, but our priest was always very understanding and congratulated us for trying, but he did not like the idea that we had supported those Anglicans.
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Writings from the Philokalia: On Prayer of the Heart,
Translated from the Russian by E. Kadloubovksy and G.E.H. Palmer, Faber and Faber, London, Boston, 1992 printing.

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Re: Can Roman Catholics and Anglicans venerate icons? Her Majesty is.
« Reply #54 on: September 19, 2015, 06:57:58 AM »
Anglicans are quite ok with imagery and icons. Every famous Church of England Cathedral I ever visited has Icons.

Here's two icons from Southwark Cathedral,

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/Sakuramochi95/12019985_10206574848081493_7938332486185608234_n_zpstcpgrhpe.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/Sakuramochi95/12038229_10206574846201446_1244812641722163721_n_zpsyhpn8tz2.jpg

Whether or not these icons are venerated is another issue all together though.

Icons are rarely, if ever, venerated by Anglicans. Their presence in churches, and few at that, are because they're "exotic" and "mystical", a facet of "Anglican comprehensiveness". Few Anglicans seriously look into what icons truly are and their place in Orthodox worship and devotion.
I don't know much about them to say whether they venerate them or not. The low church probably would see them as art and exotic decoration. The high church may have more respect for them.

I'll grant that the Church of England put them there as a sort of gesture of respect for the Eastern Orthodox.



No doubt. The icons help to beautify their churches. For most Anglicans, church is a social event, a happy habit, where one puts on his or hers best clothes, visits family and acquaintances, and hears some words of platitude from the pastor, such as:

Quote
The definition of insanity (or sin) is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results.
(attributed to Albert Einstein)

However, the people are given absolutely no grace to stop sinning, just a little hope to keep on doing the same insane things in hopes that something will work someday.

But the icon, if they even look at it, could add some hope.
How many Anglican services at how many Anglican churches have you visited, Maria?

Enough.
That doesn't answer my question.
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Re: Can Roman Catholics and Anglicans venerate icons? Her Majesty is.
« Reply #55 on: September 19, 2015, 10:55:13 AM »
Sadly, "Anglican theology" has long ceased being coherent. Their appropriation of Orthodox trappings is no surprise.

I always wondered this; if the Queen one morning in all honesty claimed she witnessed, say, the Archangel Michael talk to her to say some message, is that experience supposed to be embued within the Church theology then?

I know most Britons probably wouldn't take it too seriously but still.
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Re: Can Roman Catholics and Anglicans venerate icons? Her Majesty is.
« Reply #56 on: September 30, 2015, 02:38:17 PM »
Instead of being angry they're "appropriating orthodoxy" - you should rejoice in that Orthodoxy has managed to make an impact on a congregation that has chosen to apostasize even from protestant christianity in favour of progressivism.

Besides, Iconography existed in northern Europe as well before the protestant heresies began. There are many medieval icons made in the west that are very similar in style to ancient greek ones. Even the rosary is a development from the prayer ropes used by orthodox to this day - people in the western church also used to use a prayer rope & venerate icons & relics.

You can see that the state protestant churches are slowly moving back towards traditional christianity in many aspects while in doctrine they're moving the opposite way. Also disproving the validity of protestantism itself since the new, heretical doctrines of homosexual marriages, priestesses & bishopesses were defined by the protestant churches by majority vote - they show why the Church cant be guided by majority vote.

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Re: Can Roman Catholics and Anglicans venerate icons? Her Majesty is.
« Reply #57 on: September 30, 2015, 02:48:12 PM »
Instead of being angry they're "appropriating orthodoxy" - you should rejoice in that Orthodoxy has managed to make an impact on a congregation that has chosen to apostasize even from protestant christianity in favour of progressivism.

Where's the fun in that?
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