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« on: July 09, 2005, 11:11:37 PM »

I haven't been drunk (Shame!) for nearly 3 years. But I often catch buzzes on my good old friend, Jagermeister. tongight the lines are blurred.ÂÂ  I haven't thrown up, which I almost always do when stone-cold drunk. On th eother hand, I'm tyingpin like this. Smiley So a question. Where does drunkenness begin and :buzz" end? Is buzz in itself bad? What exactly is wrong with being drunk (not that I would argue that being drunk is ok! I'm just asking about the limits), that will perhaps help determine whether being buzzed is wrong. How far is too far, I guess is the question?
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2005, 11:20:15 PM »

Here is a good rule of thumb, if you are thinking that you might have drank too much, you probably have. When you drink to the point of buzzing, your inhibitions are lowered and you are more likely to succumb to the passions. If you drink because you like the taste, that is one thing, but if you are drinking to get drunk or a buzzed feeling that is different. But to be fair, just like not over drinking one likewise should not over eat.
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2005, 11:27:31 PM »

â€Â  Irini nem ehmot â€Â

Not to sound too overly zealous (and if I come across as such, realize that is not my intent) but this verse came to mind:

All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful.  All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
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While there is nothing wrong with the occasional drink, over-indulgence is never a good thing.  I agree with what Νικολάος Διάκονος was saying.  If you feel you've had too much than you have.  And you should figure out the reason why you drink.  There is a time and a place for most things, although I can hardly think of a situation when being drunk is in order.  What I've always wondered is where's the fun in being plastered out of your mind.  Could someone explain that to me?
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2005, 11:31:05 PM »

What I've always wondered is where's the fun in being plastered out of your mind.ÂÂ  Could someone explain that to me?

It usually involves there being something in your mind you'd rather not remember, or at least that's my experience.
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2005, 11:39:36 PM »

I think a light buzz from a moderate amount of drinking is fine as the psalm says, "wine that gladdens the heart of man" but once you get to the point where your inhibiltions are lowered like Deacon Nikolai says that's when you have gone too far.  So you should also probably take into account the situation; if you are at home with your wife or very close friends it's probably acceptable to drink a little more than if you are out in public or around people you do not know.

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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2005, 12:00:51 AM »

I think it comes down to how it effects you. I can drink all night and my temperament stays the same and have no problem functioning at all. I can't stand people that drink and they completely become a different person. I don't think anyone should drink if it has that kind of affect on them. If it changes you to that extent, then you become open to sin and debauchery. I guess it comes down to each persons tolerance level.
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2005, 01:53:42 AM »

I think it comes down to how it effects you. I can drink all night and my temperament stays the same and have no problem functioning at all. I can't stand people that drink and they completely become a different person. I don't think anyone should drink if it has that kind of affect on them. If it changes you to that extent, then you become open to sin and debauchery. I guess it comes down to each persons tolerance level.

This sums up my thoughts pretty well.

I was recently at a social event (secular) and there was plenty of delicious microbrew.  An Orthodox friend and I were eating dinner at a table, both of us had beers, and this other guy across the table didn't.  She (my friend) asked him some personal questions, which led him to say he believes in Christ (he's Christian.  No idea what denomination, but it's not important at the moment).  Then, he mentions how a scripture verse says that drunkeness opens up lustful thoughts and inappropriate behavious, and btw, he's married, so he doesn't need alcohol to tempt him.  Well, later at this event, she (my friend) left (she had two pints), I stayed the night at the event (there was lodging), but ended up having around 5 pints before I went to bed.  I felt that I had all of my mental faculties, but a little buzz going on.  Next morning, I felt a little weird, but generally fine.  Later that morning, it caught up to me though I had a little nausea and a headache - not fun.  I realize that since alcohol dehydrates you, that is one of the reasons of a "hangover", but if you are prone to these effects, it is better to drink less and try to drink water as well.  I probably would've been fine if I had stopped at 3 pints.
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2005, 05:44:39 AM »

What exactly is wrong with being drunk (not that I would argue that being drunk is ok! I'm just asking about the limits), that will perhaps help determine whether being buzzed is wrong. How far is too far, I guess is the question?

I tried an experiement once, and did not drink at an office Christmas party- and let me tell you, interacting with people who are anywhere in the spectrum between "buzzing" and drunk when you are completely sober is not pretty.
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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2005, 04:50:46 PM »

. How far is too far, I guess is the question?
     Paradosis: Only a drunk would ask this question!!!! (jk) Wink.
  It`s different for everyone, right? What is moderate for me might be over the line for you.
I don`t know how old you are , but over time, a person learns ( sometimes the hard way) what their limits are.On my personal encounters with Jagarmeister, it`s only taken two or three shots of that nasty stuff before I know I`m there ( he`s no friend of mine...I likes my liquor clear!)
Just always remember God ..even when you`re buzzed or drunk.
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2005, 09:48:02 AM »

The stupidest things I've ever done is when I'd had too much.  Now when I go out (or stay in, I have people over all the time) I try to drink less, though depending on the company it doesn't always work. 

Also, to avoid a hangover, what works for me usually is to eat some McDonalds before hand (anything greasy, actually), and for every beer, shot, or glass, drink 1/2 a glass of water. 
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2005, 12:45:08 PM »

I tried an experiement once, and did not drink at an office Christmas party- and let me tell you, interacting with people who are anywhere in the spectrum between "buzzing" and drunk when you are completely sober is not pretty.

I agree! They just look stupid when you are sober.
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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2005, 03:36:52 PM »

There are people who can drink only a thimblefull of wine and feel like the room is crashing down on them.  I have met them.  I've also met people who could take alot, a frag of a lot, and still be as normal as they ever were (it aint saying much  Roll Eyes)

This one friend I once had drank a six (Bud), two bottles of white zinfandel, three jello shots, a zombie, half a bottle of vodka, and two fingers of tequila.  He woke up the next moring, downed two more beers and went on to a final exam which he passed with flying colours.

Dont try this at home folks.   Grin

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Rul for me is, If I drink, I only take one beer or glass of wine ( Guinness of Riesling, genreally). Otherwise, tea.  I always end up ordering that anyhow.


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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2005, 04:15:44 PM »

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This one friend I once had drank a six (Bud), two bottles of white zinfandel, three jello shots, a zombie, half a bottle of vodka, and two fingers of tequila.  He woke up the next moring, downed two more beers and went on to a final exam which he passed with flying colours.

this would kill me. i mean it. this sounds absolutely insane that someone could drink all this in one night without getting alcohol poisoning...i've had it before, on far less alcohol (but still a fair amount), and it is NOT pretty. i dont like being drunk, so *if* i drink it is with meals and it is always just a glass of wine or thereabouts. i think a light buzz is okay, but i believe we should try to exercise temperence in all that we do, drink included, and so  for me a marker for when my drinking is becoming intemperate is when i sense i am getting drunk. and of course always considering the *reason* a person is drinking - if the reason is solely to get drunk or even buzzed, i think that is a sign that it is for the wrong reason. if a light buzz results from drinking for other reasons like taste, etc, then that is another matter entirely. it shouldnt be the goal in mind, IMO.  just my 2 cents.
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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2005, 05:26:01 PM »

  What I've always wondered is where's the fun in being plastered out of your mind.  Could someone explain that to me?

As the child of an alchohalic, I've spent my life wondering the exact same thing.

I echo the opinion that the occasional drink or two is fine, but more than that is overindulgence. If you feel buzzed, stop and switch to something without alchohal.
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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2005, 06:14:18 PM »

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this is really good advice, IMO. a coke or pepsi w/ a lime is my favorite non-alcoholic drink Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2005, 06:44:38 PM »

Iced tea
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« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2005, 07:29:24 PM »

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What I've always wondered is where's the fun in being plastered out of your mind.  Could someone explain that to me?

Cos it's fun. If it weren't, nobody would ever do it.  Grin
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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2005, 09:17:28 PM »

Iced tea
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    Iced tea



Yeah, the Long Island variety that is... Wink
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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2005, 09:39:51 PM »

Well, now that I got my bartending certificate recently I will enjoy working at a nice gig serving tasty drinks... . Cool  I already kinda got a home bar set up and after Liturgy people come over and I get alot of practice serving drinks to everyone. This will be a good change - up for sure after being in politics the last few years which was starting to drive me nuts. If anyone wants some recipes to some really good drinks drop me a personal message. I have tasted most of them out there... Wink     
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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2005, 08:53:43 AM »

For all of it's excess, I actually think our society is actually prudish in it's own backward, strange little way (North American Anglo society, particularly the American variety, though you see some of this here in Canucklehead-land as well).

Of course, whenever you have unnatural supression, you can expect powder-keg, binge explosions of misbehaviour.  I've long believed it's precisely because of the schitzoid attitude we have toward alcohol ("it's ok when you're 21", or here in Canada, "19"), that you have so much ridiculous behaviour amongst young adults whenever they do get their hands on some "drink."  I'm willing to bet dimes-to-donuts, that a young man raised in a house where once he was of sufficient age to not be made sick by any alcohol comsumption, was allowed to have a drink with dad every now and then, and got to see people drink in a responsible way (even if at times a little too much) will grow up to have a healthier attitude toward these things than someone raised in a situation contrary to this (most particularly, one in which he was basically taught that somehow, magically, when he turned 21 it would become moral/ethical for him to have a drink.)

Perhaps in part this is also a manifestation of the truth, that in order to really feast, one must also fast.  Our societies, like the puritans, have no concept of either in any authentic sense.  Also throw into the mix a condemnation of nature (whether it be sex, drink, or moderate creature comforts) in place of authentic ascesis (implicit to which is the recognition that the things being abstained from are, in context, lawful goods given to us by our Creator), and you have a horribly confusing mess which in the end, breeds misery and perversion, not virtue.

And btw. no one drinks alcohol just for taste (indeed, it usually takes time to develop a palette for such things).  And that's not in itself a bad thing - there's a time and place for almost everything, most certainly this.

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« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2005, 10:02:22 AM »

.  What I've always wondered is where's the fun in being plastered out of your mind.  Could someone explain that to me?

I'll take a stab at why getting blitz could be fun... 
Take me, for example.  I am generally a very (in person, anyway) quiet, reserved, always-sorta-in-the-background kind of person.  Not that I mind being like this, but every once in a while it gets boring.  Its great sometimes to get together with friends, down some shots, or wine, or beer, or mixed drinks (or all of those together) and let loose.  For me, I use the rare occasion when I'm comfortable enough with the people I'm with (a rare occasion) to use the excuse of alcohol to be silly, and do silly things.  Alcohol tends to make me a bit more relaxed than usual, so I can say stuff to people I generally never would (though I'm usually thinking it when I'm sober).  This usually ends up with rather funny results, as these people never expect me to say the things I say. 
In other words, my friends and I (I've never really analyzed this before... fascinating...) probably find getting a bit over tipsy fun, because it actually allows us to get to know each other more than if we stayed our sober conservative selves all the time.  Granted, when we see each other the next time (say, at church) we'll be acting respectable again, but it creates a closeness that wouldn't be there if every once in a while we didn't have these little binges. 
So you might say we need to loosen up when we're sober, that we shouldn't need alcohol to become close friends.  But then again, some of my best friends are people that the only way I really got to know was through getting drunk together, so, I'm not going to knock a system that works.
I do fear alcoholism... I do have it in my family, and therefore I keep these kinds of things from happening more than a few times a year.  I actually don't drink very much in general, 2 or 3 drinks every other weekend. 
So, this might not be a very good explanation, but perhaps it might shed a little bit of light of why people want to get blitzed from time to time.
(BTW, I do have a fully stocked bar at home, but it doesn't get much use... it just looks pretty :-) )
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« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2005, 11:43:37 AM »

What's all this nonsense about iced tea (which is pronounced "tay", by the way)?  If you're going to drink tea, drink it the right way: hot and with a nip of uisce in it for good measure.  Jeez, do I have to spell it out for all you English pigdogs? Roll Eyes Grin

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you know most of you Irish sound like pirates...  Cheesy
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« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2005, 01:48:47 PM »

I usually try to practice what I preach (I'm a family physician) and drink no more than two beers per day (and that only on weekends)--with the medical recommendation for moderate intake for females being one drink or less a day.ÂÂ  Of course, this varies from person to person, and I certainly don't advocate that people who don't drink start (I never know who is going to be an alcoholic.)ÂÂ  It also varies by how much I've eaten (such as at a wedding) and how far apart I space the drinks.ÂÂ  I try my best not to get to close to the line so to speak, but I agree that line between light buzz and reduced inhibitions and drunkeness is not always well-defined.
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« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2005, 09:02:31 PM »

Here is actually a few questions from a program to help people find out if they have a drinking problem. Some are repetitious, but since I saw some of those behaviours posted here, i thought I would post some of them.

Do you ever purposely get drunk/high?
Do you ever go on drinking drug/binges?
Do you ever lie to friends/family/co-workers so you can get drunk/high?
Do you ever skip work/school to get drunk/high or because of a hangover/overdose?
Do you ever drink/use drugs to change your personality?
Do you ever drink/use drugs to get people to like you?
Do you ever drink/use drugs to be more sociable?
Do you ever drink/use drugs to be a more popular person?
Do you ever drink/use drugs to become a different person?
Do you ever drink/use drugs to be entertained/entertaining?
Do you ever drink/use drugs because you are bored?
Do you ever drink/use drugs because you are lonely?
Do you ever drink/use drugs alone?
Do you ever drink/use drugs to "get away" from sorrow or pain?
Do you ever drink/use drugs to have fun/be happy?
Do you ever drink/use drugs to open up to people in ways you would not when sober?
Do you ever drink/use drugs to be able to do things you normally would not when sober?
Are you ever preoccupied with thinking about getting drunk/high while at work/school/church?
Do you ever tell other people, even strangers, about getting drunk/high?
Do you ever forget what you have done when you were drunk/high?
Have you ever had alcohol poisoning/drug overdose?
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« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2005, 09:28:08 PM »

Well, let's see...

I have only been uncomfortably "over-tipsy" once.  (Read about it here if you wanna).

I gotta agree with ania, though; there is a special bond which, good or no, is fostered through drinking together.  I love tequila.  Mr. Joseph Crow, as well as Sr. Sauza and his forefathers, are my friends.  A few shots and I'm relaxed enough to actually hold conversations people can actually relate to (sometimes I'm such a "church geek" or just so uptight because of it that I can make folks uncomfortable; tequila solves this much of the time).  Laughter by all usually ensues because, if I let my guard down, I can actually be a pretty funny guy (so they tell me).

This happens without getting blasted, though--I don't think I'd like waking up with a headache and/or vomit-breath--and I echo the sentiments of others that establishing known limits of responsible drinking is very, very wise.

Also, ditto Augustine's point about responsible, limited drinking being as good a witness (if not better) than total abstinence.
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« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2005, 11:05:22 PM »

Best damn topic I've seen here in many a moon.

james, with a controlled buzz...
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« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2005, 11:45:12 PM »

I am a straight-edge through and through. You don't need drugs and alcohol to rock steady.
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« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2005, 09:30:06 AM »

I am a straight-edge through and through. You don't need drugs and alcohol to rock steady.

Straight-Edge is good... most of my friends in highschool were straight-edge... however, they would down gallons of Mountain Dew, and I swear, sometimes their sugar-highs were more interesting than dealing with drunk people. 

BTW, those questions posted above...  By those standards, I'd have to say more than 50% of the world's population are either drunks or druggies.   Roll Eyes
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