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What is your least favorite mode/tone in the Byzantine Chanting tradition?

Mode 1
0 (0%)
Mode 2
1 (9.1%)
Mode 3
1 (9.1%)
Mode 4
3 (27.3%)
Plagal mode 1
1 (9.1%)
Plagal mode 2
1 (9.1%)
Varys
1 (9.1%)
Plagal mode 4
3 (27.3%)

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Re: What is your least favorite mode/tone in the Byzantine Chanting tradition?
« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2016, 02:51:42 AM »
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The tritone is a restless interval, classed as a dissonance in Western music from the early Middle Ages through to the end of the common practice period. This interval was frequently avoided in medieval ecclesiastical singing because of its dissonant quality. The first explicit prohibition of it seems to occur with the development of Guido of Arezzo's hexachordal system, who suggested that rather than make B♭ a diatonic note, the hexachord be moved and based on C to avoid the F-B tritone altogether.

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That original symbolic association with the devil and its avoidance led to Western cultural convention seeing the tritone as suggesting "evil" in music. However, stories that singers were excommunicated or otherwise punished by the Church for invoking this interval are likely fanciful. At any rate, avoidance of the interval for musical reasons has a long history, stretching back to the parallel organum of the Musica Enchiriadis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritone

The Flatted Fifth - The Devil's Interval
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7zrS0Y-JMA

Diabolus in Musica: The reason why tritones sound "evil", by Rederick Deathwill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHJ7tyGAHRw

The diabolus in music ... ah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5ZpcmvnYpE

Greek and Antiochian Orthodox Christians use this diabolus especially the Plagal of the 2nd or the 6th tone. This is what gives chant an exotic tone. Was this attempt by the Roman Catholic Church to outlaw the use of the diabolus in music just another slap at Eastern Orthodoxy?
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Re: What is your least favorite mode/tone in the Byzantine Chanting tradition?
« Reply #46 on: February 17, 2016, 03:33:00 AM »
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The tritone is a restless interval, classed as a dissonance in Western music from the early Middle Ages through to the end of the common practice period. This interval was frequently avoided in medieval ecclesiastical singing because of its dissonant quality. The first explicit prohibition of it seems to occur with the development of Guido of Arezzo's hexachordal system, who suggested that rather than make B♭ a diatonic note, the hexachord be moved and based on C to avoid the F-B tritone altogether.

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That original symbolic association with the devil and its avoidance led to Western cultural convention seeing the tritone as suggesting "evil" in music. However, stories that singers were excommunicated or otherwise punished by the Church for invoking this interval are likely fanciful. At any rate, avoidance of the interval for musical reasons has a long history, stretching back to the parallel organum of the Musica Enchiriadis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritone

The Flatted Fifth - The Devil's Interval
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7zrS0Y-JMA

Diabolus in Musica: The reason why tritones sound "evil", by Rederick Deathwill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHJ7tyGAHRw

The diabolus in music ... ah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5ZpcmvnYpE

Greek and Antiochian Orthodox Christians use this diabolus especially the Plagal of the 2nd or the 6th tone. This is what gives chant an exotic tone. Was this attempt by the Roman Catholic Church to outlaw the use of the diabolus in music just another slap at Eastern Orthodoxy?

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Re: What is your least favorite mode/tone in the Byzantine Chanting tradition?
« Reply #47 on: February 17, 2016, 03:19:16 PM »
Listening to Plagal mode 2 (Diabolous?) from Byzantine liturgics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DcmSsYwVSk

I don't really dislike it. It sounds mysterious. My ears keep waiting for it to lighten up though!

Actually, since Christianity has mystery, I think it (so called "diabolous en musica") is helpful, but better if used together with (eg. followed by) lighter tones.
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Re: What is your least favorite mode/tone in the Byzantine Chanting tradition?
« Reply #48 on: February 21, 2016, 08:47:32 PM »
Plagal Tone 4 is the one for To Thee the Champion leader?

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Re: What is your least favorite mode/tone in the Byzantine Chanting tradition?
« Reply #49 on: February 21, 2016, 10:26:20 PM »
Plagal Tone 4 is the one for To Thee the Champion leader?

Yep.
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Re: What is your least favorite mode/tone in the Byzantine Chanting tradition?
« Reply #50 on: February 22, 2016, 04:36:06 AM »
Plagal Tone 4 is the one for To Thee the Champion leader?

Yep.

Then that's my favorite. :D