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WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« on: July 04, 2015, 05:29:53 PM »
My mother told me today that a Muslim gave her a Qur'an at the Fourth of July parade in the small Chicago suburb (pop. below 60,000) she lives in. The local mosque had a float in the parade.

The Orthodox had none.

This in a town of about 50,000 people in less than 15 square miles, where we have not only 5 different Orthodox parishes, 4 Chalcedonian (3 canonical, 1 not) and 1 non-Chalcedonian-all of which have actual Church buildings (i.e. not house Churches) but also a local Cathedral and a Church with a parish school attached.

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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2015, 05:32:28 PM »
We need a float in the parade?
It's common knowledge that you secretly want to be born in early 17th century Russia.  As a serf or a royal, I know not.  Chances are serf.

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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2015, 05:34:27 PM »
If they have that many churches in the area, I would say it's a good thing and they are certainly known in the city, parade float or not.
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2015, 05:41:21 PM »
We need a float in the parade?
It would be a start.

Or rather, a resumption:
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...Probably the most unique celebration of the day, as it was one of the most earnest, took place in the Graeco-Slavonian Church, No. 20 North Peoria street, yesterday afternoon. Members of the Greek faith in this city gathered there at 11 o’clock and with a monk of high order in picturesque vestments at the altar the mass or liturgy of Servian freedom was recited and applied to the natal day of American independence. The religious features of the services throughout were the same as those employed in Servia to commemorate the independence of that country, and the vestments worn by the celebrant were white and gold, symbolic in Slavonian churches of freedom won and enjoyed...
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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2015, 05:53:03 PM »
SHAME!

How so?
If they have that many churches in the area, I would say it's a good thing and they are certainly known in the city, parade float or not.
No, they are quite unknown. My mother (non-Orthodox) has been there for decades, as have two of the Churches. She knows of the one only because when you get off the toll way the ramp gives a bird's eye view of it. The other, the Cathedral, she didn't know of until I pointed it out to her-although she used to pass by it nearly every day. Another she passes by-it has a huge Crucifix outside facing the street so you can tell it's a Church at least-but she doesn't know of it. The non-Chalcedonian one she knows only because someone she knows was married there.  There is one (the non-canonical Chalcedonian) which she passes every day, maybe a half mile from her house if that, and I don't know if she has ever noticed it.

I'm willing to bet that if one asked someone downtown-which is well within a few miles or so of all these Churches (the furthest-where there was an Orthodox Church, they would be at a loss to point one out.

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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2015, 05:57:12 PM »
My mother told me today that a Muslim gave her a Qur'an at the Fourth of July parade in the small Chicago suburb (pop. below 60,000) she lives in. The local mosque had a float in the parade.

The Orthodox had none.

This in a town of about 50,000 people in less than 15 square miles, where we have not only 5 different Orthodox parishes, 4 Chalcedonian (3 canonical, 1 not) and 1 non-Chalcedonian-all of which have actual Church buildings (i.e. not house Churches) but also a local Cathedral and a Church with a parish school attached.

SHAME!

I am still wishing that my parish has a school  :'(
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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2015, 06:02:12 PM »
SHAME!

How so?
If they have that many churches in the area, I would say it's a good thing and they are certainly known in the city, parade float or not.
No, they are quite unknown. My mother (non-Orthodox) has been there for decades, as have two of the Churches. She knows of the one only because when you get off the toll way the ramp gives a bird's eye view of it. The other, the Cathedral, she didn't know of until I pointed it out to her-although she used to pass by it nearly every day. Another she passes by-it has a huge Crucifix outside facing the street so you can tell it's a Church at least-but she doesn't know of it. The non-Chalcedonian one she knows only because someone she knows was married there.  There is one (the non-canonical Chalcedonian) which she passes every day, maybe a half mile from her house if that, and I don't know if she has ever noticed it.

I'm willing to bet that if one asked someone downtown-which is well within a few miles or so of all these Churches (the furthest-where there was an Orthodox Church, they would be at a loss to point one out.

SHAME!

Maybe thinking if it's not a Protestant church, it's a Catholic church.

I'm living in a small town, there are churches here i don't even know what kind of churches. I only know that there are only 2 Catholic churches in this town and the rest are questionables, Protestant ones but what denominations? Don't even want to bother  ;D
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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2015, 07:36:34 PM »
If they have that many churches in the area, I would say it's a good thing and they are certainly known in the city, parade float or not.

My thoughts exactly.....

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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2015, 07:38:14 PM »
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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2015, 08:47:48 PM »


People would rush to their local church after seeing something like this, let me tell you.

Parades.... the fact that people still go to those willingly is amazing in this day and age.
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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2015, 11:08:39 PM »
Is this Christian News?  :o
Evidently it is news to Des Plaines, IL that they have Orthodox.

Everyone knows they have Muslims.
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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2015, 11:35:58 PM »
Here's the problem, kiddies:
We are the OCA which is Orthodox Church IN America wherein it should read "OF" America.
As i understand it, Constantinople still considers US under Russia. If so, that needs to be rectified. We are not 'of' any outside force or party. Seems "colonization" and dominance is still that European sickness.

All the churches have "ethnic" backgrounds which is really divisive and fits right into those elements that are deconstructing America instead of causing "out of many, one" which happens to be the US motto! If that ain't a Christian principal, what is?

One participle is what resolved The Filioque for us, as I poorly understand it. The same issue may help all the silliness I find around regarding our religion. For the most part many are 2nd & 3rd generation "ethnics" but still "hold onto" that false pride of ethnicity. Most of us that are not "ethnic" but converts would probably enjoy bringing new traditions and ways into how we practice our new faith.
What a mess!
We can start our own American Traditions and become free of that pile of cold, dead rocks across the pond.
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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2015, 11:42:38 PM »
Did the fireworks release a lot of stupid in the air out there? 
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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2015, 11:46:35 PM »
Did the fireworks release a lot of stupid in the air out there?

Yes, and I sucked it up!
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« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2015, 11:51:24 PM »
Did the fireworks release a lot of stupid in the air out there?

We had to close all the windows and turn on the air conditioner.

Awful air.
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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2015, 11:56:10 PM »
Here's the problem, kiddies:
We are the OCA which is Orthodox Church IN America wherein it should read "OF" America.
As i understand it, Constantinople still considers US under Russia. If so, that needs to be rectified. We are not 'of' any outside force or party. Seems "colonization" and dominance is still that European sickness.

All the churches have "ethnic" backgrounds which is really divisive and fits right into those elements that are deconstructing America instead of causing "out of many, one" which happens to be the US motto! If that ain't a Christian principal, what is?

One participle is what resolved The Filioque for us, as I poorly understand it. The same issue may help all the silliness I find around regarding our religion. For the most part many are 2nd & 3rd generation "ethnics" but still "hold onto" that false pride of ethnicity. Most of us that are not "ethnic" but converts would probably enjoy bringing new traditions and ways into how we practice our new faith.
What a mess!
We can start our own American Traditions and become free of that pile of cold, dead rocks across the pond.
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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2015, 11:59:25 PM »
this thread is titled

WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS


Well come on, even the Original Poster has -heard- of Orthodoxy and he lives here...


so just because we don't have a float......




more people haven't heard of it, because we as humans fail to share with those around us, not because we fail to have a float.....
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« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2015, 12:24:58 AM »
I remember the part when St. Herman asked the Aleuts, "Почему никто не слышал о православной в Америке.  Мы должны парада поплавки*"



*WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS.  We need parade floats.
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« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2015, 01:45:35 AM »
this thread is titled

WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS


Well come on, even the Original Poster has -heard- of Orthodoxy and he lives here...
and is Orthodox. If I didn't know what to look for, I wouldn't find it.

so just because we don't have a float......
....people in Des Plaines know that they have Muslims, but do not have a clue that they have Orthodox.

The town is not alone. I'm sure many in NYC don't know they have Orthodox

but they know they have Muslims.

Enjoy the Fourth. While you can.

more people haven't heard of it, because we as humans fail to share with those around us, not because we fail to have a float.....
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People would rush to their local church after seeing something like this, let me tell you.

Parades.... the fact that people still go to those willingly is amazing in this day and age.

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« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2015, 02:11:00 AM »
I remember the part when St. Herman asked the Aleuts, "Почему никто не слышал о православной в Америке.  Мы должны парада поплавки*"



*WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS.  We need parade floats.
They had them. They're called processions.
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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2015, 02:47:14 AM »
I for one doubt that the people of des plaines would get the difference between Muslims and orthodox . Nice suburb though. Broad green lawns
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« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2015, 03:05:19 AM »
I remember the part when St. Herman asked the Aleuts, "Почему никто не слышал о православной в Америке.  Мы должны парада поплавки*"



*WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS.  We need parade floats.
They had them. They're called processions.

Funny, I don't see a float.
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« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2015, 05:07:14 AM »
Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons bang on people's doors, but that doesn't make them popular denominations even though everybody knows they exist.

On the other hand, if a parish holds some sort of ethnic festival or the like and puts a general invitation in the local paper that might draw some in or get a write-up in the following day's paper.

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« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2015, 07:16:05 AM »
Is this Christian News?  :o

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I"m trying to get more Orthodox books into our library.   Through our digital ebook lending library, there is a way to request titles to be added.  So far none of my Orthodox Christian requests have been selected, though 2 others (one non-fiction about growing up in Soviet Russia, and another political book) were selected and purchased.  There are tons of Evangelical ebooks,  and many Amish Romance (I don't get this genre, btw) fiction books, but not one about Eastern Orthodoxy.  So, now I'm going to try to get my friends and family to request the same books that I requested for purchase, in hopes that they will make them available.   Then, perhaps, more people will see the books and be curious enough to read more about Orthodoxy.

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« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2015, 07:56:34 AM »
What does an Islamic float look like?
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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2015, 08:18:42 AM »
My mother told me today that a Muslim gave her a Qur'an at the Fourth of July parade in the small Chicago suburb (pop. below 60,000) she lives in. The local mosque had a float in the parade.

The Orthodox had none.

This in a town of about 50,000 people in less than 15 square miles, where we have not only 5 different Orthodox parishes, 4 Chalcedonian (3 canonical, 1 not) and 1 non-Chalcedonian-all of which have actual Church buildings (i.e. not house Churches) but also a local Cathedral and a Church with a parish school attached.

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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2015, 09:05:04 AM »
My mother told me today that a Muslim gave her a Qur'an at the Fourth of July parade in the small Chicago suburb (pop. below 60,000) she lives in. The local mosque had a float in the parade.

The Orthodox had none.

This in a town of about 50,000 people in less than 15 square miles, where we have not only 5 different Orthodox parishes, 4 Chalcedonian (3 canonical, 1 not) and 1 non-Chalcedonian-all of which have actual Church buildings (i.e. not house Churches) but also a local Cathedral and a Church with a parish school attached.

SHAME!

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« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2015, 09:14:14 AM »
What does an Islamic float look like?

No pictures on it.....maybe they won't allow any to be taken too?
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« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2015, 10:13:36 AM »
Amish Romance (I don't get this genre, btw)

America needed a counterpart to Regency romance?
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« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2015, 02:18:42 PM »
Amish Romance (I don't get this genre, btw)

America needed a counterpart to Regency romance?

Possibly.... It's a subgenre of Christian fiction.  Though I doubt these books will want to make anyone turn up the AC. I don't understand why there are so many books from this category in the ebook library, but not one on Orthodox Christianity.  I think we all need to pester our libraries more and get our books out there for public consumption.








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« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2015, 02:25:34 PM »
Amish Romance (I don't get this genre, btw)

America needed a counterpart to Regency romance?

Possibly.... It's a subgenre of Christian fiction.  Though I doubt these books will want to make anyone turn up the AC.

Well, of course not. They're all about a very structured society with exotic customs and no sex on-camera (or on-page, if you prefer). ::)

(I'll still plumb for Regency, though. :D)
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« Reply #36 on: July 05, 2015, 02:57:39 PM »
Amish Romance (I don't get this genre, btw)

America needed a counterpart to Regency romance?

Possibly.... It's a subgenre of Christian fiction.  Though I doubt these books will want to make anyone turn up the AC.

Well, of course not. They're all about a very structured society with exotic customs and no sex on-camera (or on-page, if you prefer). ::)

(I'll still plumb for Regency, though. :D)

I  want to stick with my original point, that our libraries have absolutely no books on Orthodoxy, while there are many books on evangelical forms of Christianity.   The librarians are not going to purchase Orthodox books for the general public unless some of us start asking.   I have no real interest in discussing the merits of Amish Romance, other than to point out how odd it is that there are so many of these books purchased with taxpayer money, yet there are no books that describe Orthodoxy.  So, it's time to start asking.  Perhaps it's not the same as getting a float in a parade, but it's a way to increase the odds that an average American will know a little about Orthodoxy.

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« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2015, 03:03:05 PM »
Perhaps it's not the same as getting a float in a parade, but it's a way to increase the odds that an average American will know a little about Orthodoxy.

Assuming that Joe or Jane Average will bother to check out such books, which I suspect is assuming quite a bit.

On the other hand, a book fair organised by the local Orthodox churches could cost less than a float, while being at least as obvious, and attract people more likely to do some homework afterwards.
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« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2015, 05:45:38 PM »
I"m trying to get more Orthodox books into our library.   Through our digital ebook lending library, there is a way to request titles to be added.  So far none of my Orthodox Christian requests have been selected, though 2 others (one non-fiction about growing up in Soviet Russia, and another political book) were selected and purchased.  There are tons of Evangelical ebooks,  and many Amish Romance (I don't get this genre, btw) fiction books, but not one about Eastern Orthodoxy.  So, now I'm going to try to get my friends and family to request the same books that I requested for purchase, in hopes that they will make them available.   Then, perhaps, more people will see the books and be curious enough to read more about Orthodoxy.
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« Reply #39 on: July 05, 2015, 05:50:47 PM »
We need a float in the parade?
No we don't.

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« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2015, 06:39:13 PM »
Everyone's getting stuck on "to float or not to float" and missing the point.  Or maybe no one cares about that point.   
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« Reply #41 on: July 05, 2015, 06:43:13 PM »
Everyone's getting stuck on "to float or not to float" and missing the point.  Or maybe no one cares about that point.   

Quandary, as you know, Orthodox is not "evangelical" in the American sense of public proselytizing.
Never seen one on a corner passing out tomes, have you? So how do we get around that?
I've heard of "Glendi" (parties) for the public to come and sample ethnic foods from Orthodoxy.
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« Reply #42 on: July 05, 2015, 06:44:19 PM »
Amish Romance (I don't get this genre, btw)

America needed a counterpart to Regency romance?

Possibly.... It's a subgenre of Christian fiction.  Though I doubt these books will want to make anyone turn up the AC.

Well, of course not. They're all about a very structured society with exotic customs and no sex on-camera (or on-page, if you prefer). ::)

(I'll still plumb for Regency, though. :D)

Mmmm.... what's the Amish equivalent of having £10.000 a year?
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« Reply #43 on: July 05, 2015, 06:46:09 PM »
Amish Romance (I don't get this genre, btw)

America needed a counterpart to Regency romance?

Possibly.... It's a subgenre of Christian fiction.  Though I doubt these books will want to make anyone turn up the AC.

Well, of course not. They're all about a very structured society with exotic customs and no sex on-camera (or on-page, if you prefer). ::)

(I'll still plumb for Regency, though. :D)

Mmmm.... what's the Amish equivalent of having £10.000 a year?

It all comes back to goats in the end, doesn't it?
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« Reply #44 on: July 05, 2015, 06:48:10 PM »
Everyone's getting stuck on "to float or not to float" and missing the point.  Or maybe no one cares about that point.   

Quandary, as you know, Orthodox is not "evangelical" in the American sense of public proselytizing.
Never seen one on a corner passing out tomes, have you? So how do we get around that?
I've heard of "Glendi" (parties) for the public to come and sample ethnic foods from Orthodoxy.
Anything else?

Read the Bible.  "The American sense of public proselytizing" and "Glendi" are not the only two ways to spread the gospel.  If they were, the Twelve would've just kept on fishing after John 21 and I'd be a Hindu.   
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« Reply #45 on: July 05, 2015, 06:59:24 PM »
As a person from Canada, some people have some good knowledge of the Orthodox Church, especially the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. But one major issue that stand between many North Americans and the Eastern Orthodox Churches in my opinion is ethnicity. When a church titled, Ukrainian, Greek, Coptic, Russian...etc, many assume it is for the people from those countries. In the Greek Church I went to which was nice, and the priest very kind and respectful man, it didn't bother me that the Liturgy is in Greek ( It is the language of the New Testament ) what bothered me and made me feel as an outsider is that everyone assume you're Greek. They start chatting with you in Greek, until you mention that you don't speak Greek, and sometimes awkward  moment take place.

In my opinion, the important thing the Orthodox Churches in North America need to work on is educating people that Orthodox Churches are not foreign places where its members are immigrants or temporary visitors only , the Orthodox Churches need to relate to the ordinary North American person. People need to know how Eastern Orthodoxy contributes to society, rather than having the false assumption that there is nothing Orthodoxy can give to the West.

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Mmmm.... what's the Amish equivalent of having £10.000 a year?

It all comes back to goats in the end, doesn't it?

It always does. Goats are the lube of romance.
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« Reply #48 on: July 05, 2015, 07:40:12 PM »
As a person from Canada, some people have some good knowledge of the Orthodox Church, especially the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. But one major issue that stand between many North Americans and the Eastern Orthodox Churches in my opinion is ethnicity. When a church titled, Ukrainian, Greek, Coptic, Russian...etc, many assume it is for the people from those countries. In the Greek Church I went to which was nice, and the priest very kind and respectful man, it didn't bother me that the Liturgy is in Greek ( It is the language of the New Testament ) what bothered me and made me feel as an outsider is that everyone assume you're Greek. They start chatting with you in Greek, until you mention that you don't speak Greek, and sometimes awkward  moment take place.

In my opinion, the important thing the Orthodox Churches in North America need to work on is educating people that Orthodox Churches are not foreign places where its members are immigrants or temporary visitors only , the Orthodox Churches need to relate to the ordinary North American person. People need to know how Eastern Orthodoxy contributes to society, rather than having the false assumption that there is nothing Orthodoxy can give to the West.

Well, you are stupid. And you are wrong. There can never be a true American Orthodox Church.
Anathema, anathema and a pox upon your silly house hold.
How can you even think to write such a thing, oh silly one?
Did I leave out anything? Have we reached some comfort zone?
Have I insulted you enough? If not, keep writing such blathering nonsense.

Oh, wait, I may have written something as you did in the above.
Sorry, never mind....I was just repeating what was told to me....there is no vision of what an American Orthodox could be.
Though it IS the case that this continent has a universal humanity (losers from every continent) nor founded on principles that have Christianity as an inspiration, nor have tried to be more than a historical accident, as all other nations have been, we are not allowed to have such a vision by standards set from those who still live in the "authoritarian" manner.
You see, even in one of our flavorful entities called The Orthodox Church IN America, we cannot have the word "in" changed to OF, as that would throw off tons and tons of......issues.
Anyway, nice try, but as my confessor told me last night, keep trying.  (as you may tell, I am losing compassion which requires another confession).

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« Reply #49 on: July 05, 2015, 08:11:42 PM »
I for one doubt that the people of des plaines would get the difference between Muslims and orthodox . Nice suburb though. Broad green lawns
No. Rather small ones in fact. Was it your narrow vision that confused you?

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« Reply #50 on: July 05, 2015, 11:26:47 PM »
As a person from Canada, some people have some good knowledge of the Orthodox Church, especially the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. But one major issue that stand between many North Americans and the Eastern Orthodox Churches in my opinion is ethnicity. When a church titled, Ukrainian, Greek, Coptic, Russian...etc, many assume it is for the people from those countries. In the Greek Church I went to which was nice, and the priest very kind and respectful man, it didn't bother me that the Liturgy is in Greek ( It is the language of the New Testament ) what bothered me and made me feel as an outsider is that everyone assume you're Greek. They start chatting with you in Greek, until you mention that you don't speak Greek, and sometimes awkward  moment take place.

In my opinion, the important thing the Orthodox Churches in North America need to work on is educating people that Orthodox Churches are not foreign places where its members are immigrants or temporary visitors only , the Orthodox Churches need to relate to the ordinary North American person. People need to know how Eastern Orthodoxy contributes to society, rather than having the false assumption that there is nothing Orthodoxy can give to the West.

Well, you are stupid. And you are wrong. There can never be a true American Orthodox Church.
Anathema, anathema and a pox upon your silly house hold.
How can you even think to write such a thing, oh silly one?
Did I leave out anything? Have we reached some comfort zone?
Have I insulted you enough? If not, keep writing such blathering nonsense.

Oh, wait, I may have written something as you did in the above.
Sorry, never mind....I was just repeating what was told to me....there is no vision of what an American Orthodox could be.
Though it IS the case that this continent has a universal humanity (losers from every continent) nor founded on principles that have Christianity as an inspiration, nor have tried to be more than a historical accident, as all other nations have been, we are not allowed to have such a vision by standards set from those who still live in the "authoritarian" manner.
You see, even in one of our flavorful entities called The Orthodox Church IN America, we cannot have the word "in" changed to OF, as that would throw off tons and tons of......issues.
Anyway, nice try, but as my confessor told me last night, keep trying.  (as you may tell, I am losing compassion which requires another confession).

Lord, have mercy.

I never realized it was that complicated. It doesn't make sense why would some people think the idea of American Orthodox Church is ridicules. Would God be offended ? The hostility against anything Western will never accomplish anything good for the Orthodox Christian cause. Even though I'm Anglican, I believe Eastern Orthodoxy can save Christianity in the West, because it brings fresh air of authentic Christianity (Anglicanism  influenced bu Eastern Orthodox in some parts ) However, that will not be accomplished if Eastern Orthodoxy will be seen as some "eastern wisdom from far far away", if Americans will have to somehow be less enthusiastic about their nationality in order to fit in Orthodox Church, Orthodoxy will continue to be something foreign.

I'm sorry you had to deal with such responses.
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« Reply #51 on: July 05, 2015, 11:32:54 PM »
When a church titled, Ukrainian, Greek, Coptic, Russian...etc, many assume it is for the people from those countries.

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Anglican Church of Canada is only in Canada, you won't find it anywhere outside of Canada. If I go to U.S. I will go to the Episcopal Church in the U.S. If I go to UK, I will go to Church of England. If I go to Egypt, I will go to the Episcopal Church of North Africa. If I go to Israel, I will go to the Episcopal Church of Jerusalem and Middle East. All of them are part of the Universal Anglican Communion.

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« Reply #52 on: July 05, 2015, 11:48:17 PM »
As a person from Canada, some people have some good knowledge of the Orthodox Church, especially the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. But one major issue that stand between many North Americans and the Eastern Orthodox Churches in my opinion is ethnicity. When a church titled, Ukrainian, Greek, Coptic, Russian...etc, many assume it is for the people from those countries. In the Greek Church I went to which was nice, and the priest very kind and respectful man, it didn't bother me that the Liturgy is in Greek ( It is the language of the New Testament ) what bothered me and made me feel as an outsider is that everyone assume you're Greek. They start chatting with you in Greek, until you mention that you don't speak Greek, and sometimes awkward  moment take place.

In my opinion, the important thing the Orthodox Churches in North America need to work on is educating people that Orthodox Churches are not foreign places where its members are immigrants or temporary visitors only , the Orthodox Churches need to relate to the ordinary North American person. People need to know how Eastern Orthodoxy contributes to society, rather than having the false assumption that there is nothing Orthodoxy can give to the West.

Well, you are stupid. And you are wrong. There can never be a true American Orthodox Church.
Anathema, anathema and a pox upon your silly house hold.
How can you even think to write such a thing, oh silly one?
Did I leave out anything? Have we reached some comfort zone?
Have I insulted you enough? If not, keep writing such blathering nonsense.

Oh, wait, I may have written something as you did in the above.
Sorry, never mind....I was just repeating what was told to me....there is no vision of what an American Orthodox could be.
Though it IS the case that this continent has a universal humanity (losers from every continent) nor founded on principles that have Christianity as an inspiration, nor have tried to be more than a historical accident, as all other nations have been, we are not allowed to have such a vision by standards set from those who still live in the "authoritarian" manner.
You see, even in one of our flavorful entities called The Orthodox Church IN America, we cannot have the word "in" changed to OF, as that would throw off tons and tons of......issues.
Anyway, nice try, but as my confessor told me last night, keep trying.  (as you may tell, I am losing compassion which requires another confession).

Lord, have mercy.

I never realized it was that complicated. It doesn't make sense why would some people think the idea of American Orthodox Church is ridicules. Would God be offended ? The hostility against anything Western will never accomplish anything good for the Orthodox Christian cause. Even though I'm Anglican, I believe Eastern Orthodoxy can save Christianity in the West, because it brings fresh air of authentic Christianity (Anglicanism  influenced bu Eastern Orthodox in some parts ) However, that will not be accomplished if Eastern Orthodoxy will be seen as some "eastern wisdom from far far away", if Americans will have to somehow be less enthusiastic about their nationality in order to fit in Orthodox Church, Orthodoxy will continue to be something foreign.
I'm sorry you had to deal with such responses.

Gracious and understanding. Thank you for hearing me out....you helped.
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« Reply #53 on: July 05, 2015, 11:49:19 PM »
When a church titled, Ukrainian, Greek, Coptic, Russian...etc, many assume it is for the people from those countries.

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Anglican Church of Canada is only in Canada, you won't find it anywhere outside of Canada. If I go to U.S. I will go to the Episcopal Church in the U.S. If I go to UK, I will go to Church of England. If I go to Egypt, I will go to the Episcopal Church of North Africa. If I go to Israel, I will go to the Episcopal Church of Jerusalem and Middle East. All of them are part of the Universal Anglican Communion.

The remnants of an imperial state church, FWIW.
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« Reply #54 on: July 05, 2015, 11:52:15 PM »
When a church titled, Ukrainian, Greek, Coptic, Russian...etc, many assume it is for the people from those countries.

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Anglican Church of Canada is only in Canada, you won't find it anywhere outside of Canada. If I go to U.S. I will go to the Episcopal Church in the U.S. If I go to UK, I will go to Church of England. If I go to Egypt, I will go to the Episcopal Church of North Africa. If I go to Israel, I will go to the Episcopal Church of Jerusalem and Middle East. All of them are part of the Universal Anglican Communion.

The remnants of an imperial state church, FWIW.

Is that not the case from the European experience?
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« Reply #55 on: July 06, 2015, 12:02:49 AM »
As a person from Canada, some people have some good knowledge of the Orthodox Church, especially the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. But one major issue that stand between many North Americans and the Eastern Orthodox Churches in my opinion is ethnicity. When a church titled, Ukrainian, Greek, Coptic, Russian...etc, many assume it is for the people from those countries. In the Greek Church I went to which was nice, and the priest very kind and respectful man, it didn't bother me that the Liturgy is in Greek ( It is the language of the New Testament ) what bothered me and made me feel as an outsider is that everyone assume you're Greek. They start chatting with you in Greek, until you mention that you don't speak Greek, and sometimes awkward  moment take place.

In my opinion, the important thing the Orthodox Churches in North America need to work on is educating people that Orthodox Churches are not foreign places where its members are immigrants or temporary visitors only , the Orthodox Churches need to relate to the ordinary North American person. People need to know how Eastern Orthodoxy contributes to society, rather than having the false assumption that there is nothing Orthodoxy can give to the West.

Well, you are stupid. And you are wrong. There can never be a true American Orthodox Church.
Anathema, anathema and a pox upon your silly house hold.
How can you even think to write such a thing, oh silly one?
Did I leave out anything? Have we reached some comfort zone?
Have I insulted you enough? If not, keep writing such blathering nonsense.

Oh, wait, I may have written something as you did in the above.
Sorry, never mind....I was just repeating what was told to me....there is no vision of what an American Orthodox could be.
Though it IS the case that this continent has a universal humanity (losers from every continent) nor founded on principles that have Christianity as an inspiration, nor have tried to be more than a historical accident, as all other nations have been, we are not allowed to have such a vision by standards set from those who still live in the "authoritarian" manner.
You see, even in one of our flavorful entities called The Orthodox Church IN America, we cannot have the word "in" changed to OF, as that would throw off tons and tons of......issues.
Anyway, nice try, but as my confessor told me last night, keep trying.  (as you may tell, I am losing compassion which requires another confession).

Lord, have mercy.

I never realized it was that complicated. It doesn't make sense why would some people think the idea of American Orthodox Church is ridicules. Would God be offended ? The hostility against anything Western will never accomplish anything good for the Orthodox Christian cause. Even though I'm Anglican, I believe Eastern Orthodoxy can save Christianity in the West, because it brings fresh air of authentic Christianity (Anglicanism  influenced bu Eastern Orthodox in some parts ) However, that will not be accomplished if Eastern Orthodoxy will be seen as some "eastern wisdom from far far away", if Americans will have to somehow be less enthusiastic about their nationality in order to fit in Orthodox Church, Orthodoxy will continue to be something foreign.

I'm sorry you had to deal with such responses.

There is concern over which church would be in charge? how they would be charge? how to maintain the unique customs of each church? etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

I also disagree with you.
The "foreign flare" of the Church is its appeal, its why you are drawn to it; as you say it is something different. It is true and uncompromising.

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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #56 on: July 06, 2015, 12:03:07 AM »
Everyone's getting stuck on "to float or not to float" and missing the point.  Or maybe no one cares about that point.   

Maybe because the supposed actual point is not true.


Ask why 'WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS'


On a board of mostly converts. Who are mostly Americans and all somehow found out enough about Orthodoxy to actually convert. 

Maybe if there was a true statement in this. Like 'what can we do to reach out and share the faith?'

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The standard 'politics room' outrage at everything rhetoric

It would be worth taking more seriously than the floats.
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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #58 on: July 07, 2015, 01:39:50 AM »
As a person from Canada, some people have some good knowledge of the Orthodox Church, especially the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. But one major issue that stand between many North Americans and the Eastern Orthodox Churches in my opinion is ethnicity. When a church titled, Ukrainian, Greek, Coptic, Russian...etc, many assume it is for the people from those countries. In the Greek Church I went to which was nice, and the priest very kind and respectful man, it didn't bother me that the Liturgy is in Greek ( It is the language of the New Testament ) what bothered me and made me feel as an outsider is that everyone assume you're Greek. They start chatting with you in Greek, until you mention that you don't speak Greek, and sometimes awkward  moment take place.

In my opinion, the important thing the Orthodox Churches in North America need to work on is educating people that Orthodox Churches are not foreign places where its members are immigrants or temporary visitors only , the Orthodox Churches need to relate to the ordinary North American person. People need to know how Eastern Orthodoxy contributes to society, rather than having the false assumption that there is nothing Orthodoxy can give to the West.

Well, you are stupid. And you are wrong. There can never be a true American Orthodox Church.
Anathema, anathema and a pox upon your silly house hold.
How can you even think to write such a thing, oh silly one?
Did I leave out anything? Have we reached some comfort zone?
Have I insulted you enough? If not, keep writing such blathering nonsense.

Oh, wait, I may have written something as you did in the above.
Sorry, never mind....I was just repeating what was told to me....there is no vision of what an American Orthodox could be.
Though it IS the case that this continent has a universal humanity (losers from every continent) nor founded on principles that have Christianity as an inspiration, nor have tried to be more than a historical accident, as all other nations have been, we are not allowed to have such a vision by standards set from those who still live in the "authoritarian" manner.
You see, even in one of our flavorful entities called The Orthodox Church IN America, we cannot have the word "in" changed to OF, as that would throw off tons and tons of......issues.
Anyway, nice try, but as my confessor told me last night, keep trying.  (as you may tell, I am losing compassion which requires another confession).

Lord, have mercy.

LenInSebastopol,

You have been warned about ad hominem attacks in the past, so I'm sure you know why this is a violation of the rules.  For this as well as for a similar attack in another thread, and in light of your history, I am increasing your warning level by twenty-five (25) points. 

If you wish to appeal my decision, please PM me. 

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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #60 on: July 07, 2015, 12:18:01 PM »
My mother told me today that a Muslim gave her a Qur'an at the Fourth of July parade in the small Chicago suburb (pop. below 60,000) she lives in. The local mosque had a float in the parade.

The Orthodox had none.

This in a town of about 50,000 people in less than 15 square miles, where we have not only 5 different Orthodox parishes, 4 Chalcedonian (3 canonical, 1 not) and 1 non-Chalcedonian-all of which have actual Church buildings (i.e. not house Churches) but also a local Cathedral and a Church with a parish school attached.

SHAME!

Are you saying there is a Greek church that does not have a Festival with a Taverna, live music, dancing, poster advertisements all over the place, etc?
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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #61 on: July 07, 2015, 01:24:46 PM »
My mother told me today that a Muslim gave her a Qur'an at the Fourth of July parade in the small Chicago suburb (pop. below 60,000) she lives in. The local mosque had a float in the parade.

The Orthodox had none.

This in a town of about 50,000 people in less than 15 square miles, where we have not only 5 different Orthodox parishes, 4 Chalcedonian (3 canonical, 1 not) and 1 non-Chalcedonian-all of which have actual Church buildings (i.e. not house Churches) but also a local Cathedral and a Church with a parish school attached.

SHAME!

Are you saying there is a Greek church that does not have a Festival with a Taverna, live music, dancing, poster advertisements all over the place, etc?
you mean, like the Bolshoi on tour?
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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #62 on: July 07, 2015, 01:28:35 PM »
My mother told me today that a Muslim gave her a Qur'an at the Fourth of July parade in the small Chicago suburb (pop. below 60,000) she lives in. The local mosque had a float in the parade.

The Orthodox had none.

This in a town of about 50,000 people in less than 15 square miles, where we have not only 5 different Orthodox parishes, 4 Chalcedonian (3 canonical, 1 not) and 1 non-Chalcedonian-all of which have actual Church buildings (i.e. not house Churches) but also a local Cathedral and a Church with a parish school attached.

SHAME!

Are you saying there is a Greek church that does not have a Festival with a Taverna, live music, dancing, poster advertisements all over the place, etc?
True however from my expirence the Greek festivals to be more about Greek culture, food, music, etc. than anything related to Greek Orthodoxy.

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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #63 on: July 07, 2015, 03:11:18 PM »
My mother told me today that a Muslim gave her a Qur'an at the Fourth of July parade in the small Chicago suburb (pop. below 60,000) she lives in. The local mosque had a float in the parade.

The Orthodox had none.

This in a town of about 50,000 people in less than 15 square miles, where we have not only 5 different Orthodox parishes, 4 Chalcedonian (3 canonical, 1 not) and 1 non-Chalcedonian-all of which have actual Church buildings (i.e. not house Churches) but also a local Cathedral and a Church with a parish school attached.

SHAME!

Are you saying there is a Greek church that does not have a Festival with a Taverna, live music, dancing, poster advertisements all over the place, etc?
True however from my expirence the Greek festivals to be more about Greek culture, food, music, etc. than anything related to Greek Orthodoxy.
You mean that Greek culture is not a manifestation of Greek Orthodoxy?
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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #64 on: July 07, 2015, 03:19:15 PM »
My mother told me today that a Muslim gave her a Qur'an at the Fourth of July parade in the small Chicago suburb (pop. below 60,000) she lives in. The local mosque had a float in the parade.

The Orthodox had none.

This in a town of about 50,000 people in less than 15 square miles, where we have not only 5 different Orthodox parishes, 4 Chalcedonian (3 canonical, 1 not) and 1 non-Chalcedonian-all of which have actual Church buildings (i.e. not house Churches) but also a local Cathedral and a Church with a parish school attached.

SHAME!

Are you saying there is a Greek church that does not have a Festival with a Taverna, live music, dancing, poster advertisements all over the place, etc?
True however from my expirence the Greek festivals to be more about Greek culture, food, music, etc. than anything related to Greek Orthodoxy.
You mean that Greek culture is not a manifestation of Greek Orthodoxy?

Well Greek Culture is heavily influenced by Orthodoxy but what I guess I was getting at is if these festivals are just food, dance, singing, etc. with no Orthodoxy who would be exposed to Orthodoxy? sorry for any confusion on my end.

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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #65 on: July 07, 2015, 04:15:07 PM »
The festival would be given on cypher h grounds, allowing folks to see the temple, hear a talk and be invited to attend a service, like Vespers, that very day, or such is one approach.
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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #66 on: July 07, 2015, 10:29:15 PM »
My mother told me today that a Muslim gave her a Qur'an at the Fourth of July parade in the small Chicago suburb (pop. below 60,000) she lives in. The local mosque had a float in the parade.

The Orthodox had none.

This in a town of about 50,000 people in less than 15 square miles, where we have not only 5 different Orthodox parishes, 4 Chalcedonian (3 canonical, 1 not) and 1 non-Chalcedonian-all of which have actual Church buildings (i.e. not house Churches) but also a local Cathedral and a Church with a parish school attached.

SHAME!

Are you saying there is a Greek church that does not have a Festival with a Taverna, live music, dancing, poster advertisements all over the place, etc?
True however from my expirence the Greek festivals to be more about Greek culture, food, music, etc. than anything related to Greek Orthodoxy.

That's my experience as well. So I guess the question is: should they be more about Orthodoxy than those other things, and by how much?
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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #67 on: July 07, 2015, 10:31:20 PM »
My mother told me today that a Muslim gave her a Qur'an at the Fourth of July parade in the small Chicago suburb (pop. below 60,000) she lives in. The local mosque had a float in the parade.

The Orthodox had none.

This in a town of about 50,000 people in less than 15 square miles, where we have not only 5 different Orthodox parishes, 4 Chalcedonian (3 canonical, 1 not) and 1 non-Chalcedonian-all of which have actual Church buildings (i.e. not house Churches) but also a local Cathedral and a Church with a parish school attached.

SHAME!

Are you saying there is a Greek church that does not have a Festival with a Taverna, live music, dancing, poster advertisements all over the place, etc?
True however from my expirence the Greek festivals to be more about Greek culture, food, music, etc. than anything related to Greek Orthodoxy.
You mean that Greek culture is not a manifestation of Greek Orthodoxy?

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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #68 on: July 07, 2015, 10:35:43 PM »
Greek is Christian lost interest in Christianity and left it, and then apparently lost interest in this forum and left it  8)
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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #69 on: July 08, 2015, 12:21:14 AM »
My mother told me today that a Muslim gave her a Qur'an at the Fourth of July parade in the small Chicago suburb (pop. below 60,000) she lives in. The local mosque had a float in the parade.

The Orthodox had none.

This in a town of about 50,000 people in less than 15 square miles, where we have not only 5 different Orthodox parishes, 4 Chalcedonian (3 canonical, 1 not) and 1 non-Chalcedonian-all of which have actual Church buildings (i.e. not house Churches) but also a local Cathedral and a Church with a parish school attached.

SHAME!

Are you saying there is a Greek church that does not have a Festival with a Taverna, live music, dancing, poster advertisements all over the place, etc?
you mean, like the Bolshoi on tour?

No. But if you watch a Russian Belly Dancing contest, you will see how exceptional they are.
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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #70 on: July 08, 2015, 12:38:50 AM »
My mother told me today that a Muslim gave her a Qur'an at the Fourth of July parade in the small Chicago suburb (pop. below 60,000) she lives in. The local mosque had a float in the parade.

The Orthodox had none.

This in a town of about 50,000 people in less than 15 square miles, where we have not only 5 different Orthodox parishes, 4 Chalcedonian (3 canonical, 1 not) and 1 non-Chalcedonian-all of which have actual Church buildings (i.e. not house Churches) but also a local Cathedral and a Church with a parish school attached.

SHAME!

Are you saying there is a Greek church that does not have a Festival with a Taverna, live music, dancing, poster advertisements all over the place, etc?
True however from my expirence the Greek festivals to be more about Greek culture, food, music, etc. than anything related to Greek Orthodoxy.
You mean that Greek culture is not a manifestation of Greek Orthodoxy?

Well Greek Culture is heavily influenced by Orthodoxy but what I guess I was getting at is if these festivals are just food, dance, singing, etc. with no Orthodoxy who would be exposed to Orthodoxy? sorry for any confusion on my end.

I have never been to a Greek Festival that was devoid of Orthodoxy. If the church grounds are big enough, there are tours of the church, if not, the hours of tours at the church are listed in the program that you get when you buy a ticket. There is also an Orthodox book store and icons (high quality and small decoupage icons made by the children), and unfortunately a lot of religious jewelry hocked by private venders.
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Re: WHY NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE ORTHODOX IN THE AMERICAS
« Reply #71 on: July 08, 2015, 08:38:16 AM »
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Are you saying there is a Greek church that does not have a Festival with a Taverna, live music, dancing, poster advertisements all over the place, etc?
True however from my expirence the Greek festivals to be more about Greek culture, food, music, etc. than anything related to Greek Orthodoxy.
You mean that Greek culture is not a manifestation of Greek Orthodoxy?

Well Greek Culture is heavily influenced by Orthodoxy but what I guess I was getting at is if these festivals are just food, dance, singing, etc. with no Orthodoxy who would be exposed to Orthodoxy? sorry for any confusion on my end.

I have never been to a Greek Festival that was devoid of Orthodoxy. If the church grounds are big enough, there are tours of the church, if not, the hours of tours at the church are listed in the program that you get when you buy a ticket. There is also an Orthodox book store and icons (high quality and small decoupage icons made by the children), and unfortunately a lot of religious jewelry hocked by private venders.
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Get real people, we do not worship in a cultural vacuum.  Orthodoxy is part of the cultural history of Greece not just the religious legacy.  There is nothing wrong with that.  So stop trying to make it wrong.