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Have you ever felt in love?
« on: July 04, 2015, 03:21:18 PM »
Do you believe love exists or that is just something for the books? Did you ever fell in love? Have you ever been in a real platonic romantical love relationship?
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2015, 03:49:36 PM »
Yes.
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2015, 04:02:31 PM »
Yes.

Yes, what? And how do you know?
Yes, being in love happens. I know from direct contact.
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Quote from: Fr. Thomas Hopko, dystopian parable of the prodigal son
...you can imagine so-called healing services of the pigpen. The books that could be written, you know: Life in the Pigpen. How to Cope in the Pigpen. Being Happy in the Pigpen. Surviving in the Pigpen. And then there could be counselling, for people who feel unhappy in the pigpen, to try to get them to come to terms with the pigpen, and to accept the pigpen.

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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2015, 04:04:58 PM »
Yes.

Yes, what? And how do you know?
Yes, being in love happens. I know from direct contact.

Have you ever been in a real platonic love relationship?
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2015, 04:06:49 PM »
I believe in a thing called love. Just listen to the rhythm of my heart.
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2015, 04:18:34 PM »
Yes.

Yes, what? And how do you know?
Yes, being in love happens. I know from direct contact.

Have you ever been in a real platonic love relationship?
Nope
Quote from: Fr. Thomas Hopko, dystopian parable of the prodigal son
...you can imagine so-called healing services of the pigpen. The books that could be written, you know: Life in the Pigpen. How to Cope in the Pigpen. Being Happy in the Pigpen. Surviving in the Pigpen. And then there could be counselling, for people who feel unhappy in the pigpen, to try to get them to come to terms with the pigpen, and to accept the pigpen.

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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2015, 04:39:25 PM »
Yes.

Yes, what? And how do you know?
Yes, being in love happens. I know from direct contact.

Have you ever been in a real platonic love relationship?

You mean, have I ever been in love with a handsome youth and refrained from having sex with him so I could just focus on letting his beauty lead me to contemplation of the Forms? No.
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2015, 05:00:59 PM »
Yes.

Yes, what? And how do you know?
Yes, being in love happens. I know from direct contact.

Have you ever been in a real platonic love relationship?

You mean, have I ever been in love with a handsome youth and refrained from having sex with him so I could just focus on letting his beauty lead me to contemplation of the Forms? No.
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2015, 06:14:26 PM »
Yes.

Yes, what? And how do you know?
Yes, being in love happens. I know from direct contact.

Have you ever been in a real platonic love relationship?

You mean, have I ever been in love with a handsome youth and refrained from having sex with him so I could just focus on letting his beauty lead me to contemplation of the Forms? No.

What Isa said.
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2015, 06:52:38 PM »
Yes.

Yes, what? And how do you know?
Yes, being in love happens. I know from direct contact.

Have you ever been in a real platonic love relationship?

You mean, have I ever been in love with a handsome youth and refrained from having sex with him so I could just focus on letting his beauty lead me to contemplation of the Forms? No.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Platonic+love
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2015, 06:54:45 PM »
Yes.

Yes, what? And how do you know?
Yes, being in love happens. I know from direct contact.

Have you ever been in a real platonic love relationship?

You mean, have I ever been in love with a handsome youth and refrained from having sex with him so I could just focus on letting his beauty lead me to contemplation of the Forms? No.

Your ignorance of the meaning and use of this syntagm has been noted.
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2015, 06:55:04 PM »
I believe in a thing called love. Just listen to the rhythm of my heart.

Who needs a heart when a heart can be broken?
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2015, 06:55:29 PM »
I believe in a thing called love. Just listen to the rhythm of my heart.

Who needs a heart when a heart can be broken?

Once upon a time, I was falling in love. Now I'm only falling apart.
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2015, 06:59:20 PM »
I believe in a thing called love. Just listen to the rhythm of my heart.

Who needs a heart when a heart can be broken?

Once upon a time, I was falling in love. Now I'm only falling apart.


Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away...
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2015, 07:00:02 PM »
Yes.

Yes, what? And how do you know?
Yes, being in love happens. I know from direct contact.

Have you ever been in a real platonic love relationship?

You mean, have I ever been in love with a handsome youth and refrained from having sex with him so I could just focus on letting his beauty lead me to contemplation of the Forms? No.

Your ignorance of the meaning and use of this syntagm has been noted.

Iconodule is right, actually.

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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2015, 07:07:56 PM »
Yes.

Yes, what? And how do you know?
Yes, being in love happens. I know from direct contact.

Have you ever been in a real platonic love relationship?

You mean, have I ever been in love with a handsome youth and refrained from having sex with him so I could just focus on letting his beauty lead me to contemplation of the Forms? No.


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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2015, 07:13:05 PM »
Yes.

Yes, what? And how do you know?
Yes, being in love happens. I know from direct contact.

Have you ever been in a real platonic love relationship?

You mean, have I ever been in love with a handsome youth and refrained from having sex with him so I could just focus on letting his beauty lead me to contemplation of the Forms? No.

Your ignorance of the meaning and use of this syntagm has been noted.

Iconodule is right, actually.

No he is not.

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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2015, 07:14:05 PM »
Yes.

Yes, what? And how do you know?
Yes, being in love happens. I know from direct contact.

Have you ever been in a real platonic love relationship?

You mean, have I ever been in love with a handsome youth and refrained from having sex with him so I could just focus on letting his beauty lead me to contemplation of the Forms? No.

Your ignorance of the meaning and use of this syntagm has been noted.

Iconodule is right, actually.

No he is not.

Yes, he is.
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2015, 07:20:16 PM »
Yes.

Yes, what? And how do you know?
Yes, being in love happens. I know from direct contact.

Have you ever been in a real platonic love relationship?

You mean, have I ever been in love with a handsome youth and refrained from having sex with him so I could just focus on letting his beauty lead me to contemplation of the Forms? No.

Your ignorance of the meaning and use of this syntagm has been noted.

Iconodule is right, actually.

No he is not.

Yes, he is.

According to ignorants perhaps.

Study the origin and the use of this syntagm today. It has a different story than just Plato's "Symposium".  And this is the way this syntagm has been used for centuries now.

But what can one expect from people who get their facts from google, and didn't pay too much attention in school.
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2015, 07:33:37 PM »
Yes.

Yes, what? And how do you know?
Yes, being in love happens. I know from direct contact.

Have you ever been in a real platonic love relationship?

You mean, have I ever been in love with a handsome youth and refrained from having sex with him so I could just focus on letting his beauty lead me to contemplation of the Forms? No.

Your ignorance of the meaning and use of this syntagm has been noted.

Iconodule is right, actually.

No he is not.

Yes, he is.

According to ignorants perhaps.

Study the origin and the use of this syntagm today. It has a different story than just Plato's "Symposium".  And this is the way this syntagm has been used for centuries now.

But what can one expect from people who get their facts from google, and didn't pay too much attention in school.

We were too busy paying attention to your mom.
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2015, 07:36:01 PM »
It's clear that none of you who knew or heard not of "the platonic love" and chose to discuss this term(and derail) instead of speaking of their love life, have never experienced a real romantic love relationship.
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2015, 07:54:24 PM »
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2015, 07:56:19 PM »
Yes.

Yes, what? And how do you know?
Yes, being in love happens. I know from direct contact.

Have you ever been in a real platonic love relationship?

You mean, have I ever been in love with a handsome youth and refrained from having sex with him so I could just focus on letting his beauty lead me to contemplation of the Forms? No.

Your ignorance of the meaning and use of this syntagm has been noted.

Iconodule is right, actually.

No he is not.

Yes, he is.

According to ignorants perhaps.

Study the origin and the use of this syntagm today. It has a different story than just Plato's "Symposium".  And this is the way this syntagm has been used for centuries now.

But what can one expect from people who get their facts from google, and didn't pay too much attention in school.


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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2015, 08:21:06 PM »
Please don't project meta-debates onto me.

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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2015, 08:25:21 PM »
It's common knowledge that you secretly want to be born in early 17th century Russia.  As a serf or a royal, I know not.  Chances are serf.

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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2015, 08:28:15 PM »
It's clear that none of you who knew or heard not of "the platonic love" and chose to discuss this term(and derail) instead of speaking of their love life, have never experienced a real romantic love relationship.

I've never experienced a real romantic love relationship and I've been divorced.  I'm in the middle of a platonic love relationship at the moment and I'm happier in that relationship vs. my married relationship.

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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2015, 10:57:02 PM »
Yes.

Yes, what? And how do you know?
Yes, being in love happens. I know from direct contact.

Have you ever been in a real platonic love relationship?

You mean, have I ever been in love with a handsome youth and refrained from having sex with him so I could just focus on letting his beauty lead me to contemplation of the Forms? No.

Your ignorance of the meaning and use of this syntagm has been noted.

Have you ever read Plato's Symposium? What do you think Platonic love means?
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2015, 08:47:34 PM »
Do you believe love exists or that is just something for the books? Did you ever fell in love? Have you ever been in a real platonic romantical love relationship?
How exactly do you have a "platonic romantical love relationship"?

Platonic and "romantical" (I assume you are meaning romantic since "romantical" isn't a real word) are kind of opposite of one another.
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2015, 09:18:22 AM »
Do you believe love exists or that is just something for the books? Did you ever fell in love? Have you ever been in a real platonic romantical love relationship?
How exactly do you have a "platonic romantical love relationship"?

Platonic and "romantical" (I assume you are meaning romantic since "romantical" isn't a real word) are kind of opposite of one another.

How dare you question his syntagm!!!
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2015, 09:36:42 PM »
Are we arguing about love?  Love is eternal.

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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2015, 10:10:54 PM »
Do you believe love exists or that is just something for the books?

When your brain chemicals swirl, cause you see a special girl, that's amore.

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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2015, 12:46:33 AM »
Do you believe love exists or that is just something for the books?

When your brain chemicals swirl, cause you see a special girl, that's amore.
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2015, 02:48:40 AM »
Do you believe love exists or that is just something for the books? Did you ever fell in love? Have you ever been in a real platonic romantical love relationship?

Yes, I have been in a platonic relationship. I'm in a half/half one right now, but I have been in a pure one, like Dante for Beatrice. Dracula, you've got to excuse the behavior of some here. They are intellectually inferior, Dracula. I'll PM you. I really have experienced it. It's sort of half and half with this friend right now. There is no carnal desire, but I would like to kiss her. Is that purely platonic? But the one similar to Dante's for Beatrice. That was certainly platonic. And still is. Like Dante's Beatrice, she inspired me to virtue. She was an Icon of God in flesh, like Beatrice was for Dante.

You see (not you Dracula, but those here who deride), Dante fell in love with Beatrice Portinari at nine years old (she was eight) and it continued so much through his life that it produced The Divine Comedy. The poem is both political and romantic. Political in his argument for the Holy Roman Empire, condemning papal opposition (Pope Boniface VIII is in hell), and placing the traitors at the bottom because they opposed the order that he desired in his ideal state.

But most of all it is a comedy in the classical sense that it ends in happiness. It is a journey to attain God. Beatrice is an image of Christ. Her very name implies her. It means, "she who blesses", and she is an allegory of the Beatific Vision. Because it is platonic, it stands in opposition to carnal desire. Dante believes that lust is to be pitied more than say murder because it is an act of love, but an excessive act of love. Whereas say murder or treachery is an act of hatred. He says many times that he fought against his sexual passions, and he may have even had affairs. He was exiled Florence on pain of death, never to return, leaving his wife and children there. Wandering Italy, he may well have fallen into sin with women. This may be what he means by "gone from the true" path in the opening lines. Beatrice speaks harshly to him on his "adultery" against her, which may be sexual acts since they would stand in opposition to her image of purity, which he desired to strive for through her.

This is perhaps the clearest image of platonic love of all time. But you can let the philistines mock. For the benefit of posters, if they can appreciate it, he is Dante's first sonnet from La Vita Nuova

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To every heart which the sweet pain doth move,

And unto which these words may now be brought

For true interpretation and kind thought,

Be greeting in our Lord’s name, which is Love.

Of those long hours wherein the stars, above,

Wake and keep watch, the third was almost nought,

When Love was shown me with such terrors fraught

As may not carelessly be spoken of.

He seemed like one who is full of joy, and had

My heart within his hand, and on his arm

My lady, with a mantle round her, slept;

Whom (having wakened her) anon he made

To eat that heart; she ate, as fearing harm.

Then he went out; and as he went, he wept


The eating of his heart and departing represents her eventual death at the age of twenty four, and her going to heaven, Love weeping over this. Here is one of his sonnets that expresses the battle of his passions:

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[/All my thoughts always speak to me of Love,

Yet have between themselves such difference

That while one bids me bow with mind and sense,

A second saith, “Go to: look thou above;”

[57] The third one, hoping, yields me joy enough;

And with the last come tears, I scarce know whence:

All of them craving pity in sore suspense,

Trembling with fears that the heart knoweth of.

And thus, being all unsure which path to take,

Wishing to speak I know not what to say,

And lose myself in amorous wanderings:

Until, (my peace with all of them to make,)

Unto mine enemy I needs must pray,

My Lady Pity, for the help she brings.
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2015, 10:10:16 AM »
Yes.

Yes, what? And how do you know?

How do you know strawberry tastes like strawberry?
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2015, 10:15:28 AM »
Yes.

Yes, what? And how do you know?
Yes, being in love happens. I know from direct contact.

Have you ever been in a real platonic love relationship?

If you are a horn dog, no.
If you are lucky and live past 70 with your wife, yes.
If you focus on God and all of That Stuff and give up the horn dog culture surrounding us, I understand from experts it's not that difficult. At least the few with whom that I've spoken.
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2015, 10:16:47 AM »
Yes.

Yes, what? And how do you know?
Yes, being in love happens. I know from direct contact.

Have you ever been in a real platonic love relationship?

You mean, have I ever been in love with a handsome youth and refrained from having sex with him so I could just focus on letting his beauty lead me to contemplation of the Forms? No.

Your ignorance of the meaning and use of this syntagm has been noted.

Iconodule is right, actually.

No he is not.

Great dialogue, reasoning and repartee.
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2015, 12:16:55 PM »
Dracula, you've got to excuse the behavior of some here. They are intellectually inferior, Dracula. I'll PM you. I really have experienced it. It's sort of half and half with this friend right now. There is no carnal desire, but I would like to kiss her.

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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2015, 01:32:25 PM »
Dracula, you've got to excuse the behavior of some here. They are intellectually inferior, Dracula. I'll PM you. I really have experienced it. It's sort of half and half with this friend right now. There is no carnal desire, but I would like to kiss her.

You and Dracula are made for each other, and I'm glad OCNet had a part in bringing you two together.

Finally a kind word from you.  ;)
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2015, 01:40:08 PM »
Dracula, you've got to excuse the behavior of some here. They are intellectually inferior, Dracula. I'll PM you. I really have experienced it. It's sort of half and half with this friend right now. There is no carnal desire, but I would like to kiss her.

You and Dracula are made for each other, and I'm glad OCNet had a part in bringing you two together.

Finally a kind word from you.  ;)
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2015, 04:21:21 PM »
Dracula, you've got to excuse the behavior of some here. They are intellectually inferior, Dracula. I'll PM you. I really have experienced it. It's sort of half and half with this friend right now. There is no carnal desire, but I would like to kiss her.

You and Dracula are made for each other, and I'm glad OCNet had a part in bringing you two together.
We have finally found the platonic romantical love that the OP was in search of. And in this thread of all places...  :P
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2015, 04:38:28 PM »
Ain't that a kick in the head?

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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2015, 04:46:59 PM »
Dracula, you've got to excuse the behavior of some here. They are intellectually inferior, Dracula. I'll PM you. I really have experienced it. It's sort of half and half with this friend right now. There is no carnal desire, but I would like to kiss her.

You and Dracula are made for each other, and I'm glad OCNet had a part in bringing you two together.
We have finally found the platonic romantical love that the OP was in search of. And in this thread of all places...  :P

Yes. It's sodomite, platonic love.  :-* actually, Plato's idea about the whole thing was man for man. Women were not worthy of it. That and the Greeks seem to have been a little fond of the homosexual thing. But in Plato's case of course it was not sexual. Socrates, in the Symposium, expresses platonic affection for young boys. But I doubt Socrates was a pedophile. He did have two children by his wife, but judging by his character, sex was likely unpleasant for him. I'm serious. He likely thought of it is a duty, and took little pleasure in it.

Also, Shakespeare's Sonnet 20, suggests possible homosexual affections, but his love for the man to whom they are addressed, in my opinion, may well be platonic. Or both.
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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2015, 06:28:58 PM »
W. please read: The Politically Incorrect Guide  to English and American Literature: What your college professor never told you. Elizabeth Kantor, Ph.D., Regnery, 2006.

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Re: Have you ever felt in love?
« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2015, 06:52:56 PM »
W. please read: The Politically Incorrect Guide  to English and American Literature: What your college professor never told you. Elizabeth Kantor, Ph.D., Regnery, 2006.

Does it touch on William Shakespeare's Sonnet XX? I am willing to entertain that he may have had homosexual feelings, but the ending couplet clearly says that because homosexual love is opposed to nature, the man he loves should marry to produce and image of himself. That's actually the whole purpose of the sonnets, the early part that is. He is telling his beloved that he needs to marry before it is too late and he leaves the world no heir of his beauty. The sonnet clearly states the writer's belief that homosexuality is wrong. And we also live in a very sexualized society. The Merchant of Venice touches very deeply on the subject of the love, the very deep love, of male frienship. One friend is willing to give his flesh, even his life, for his friend. But marriage is also an important subject in the play, and in the end Shakespeare seems to say that matrimony is the love that perfects friendship; that male friendship and bachelorhood are incomplete without it. Being a bachelor, choosing to live the life of unrestricted sex, is selfish and harmful to love.
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