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« on: June 26, 2005, 07:41:28 AM »

Leroy Garrett, minister of the Singing Oaks Church of Christ in Denton, Texas, said the following in his essay yesterday about the Apostles' Creed:

"I am writing this on June 25, which happens to be St. Pontius Pilate Day, as celebrated by our brethren in both the Coptic (Egyptian) Orthodox and the Abbysinian Orthodox churches. Both churches elevated him to sainthood and gave him a saint’s day. And on this day I have been writing about him! Pilate, who crucified Christ, a saint! What a concept of the grace of God! And it is one more illustration of how diverse the church is, all around the world. Have a great St. Pontius Pilate Day! It takes some getting used to."

I'd not heard Pontius Pilate called a saint before, and wonder how he came to be canonized.  After all, our Lord "suffered under Pontius Pilate" (Apostle's Creed), and Pilate himself didn't wait around for an answer to his question "What is truth?" ( John 18: 38 ).

How do we know that Pilate ever repented? and what kind of ministry, if any, was he ever involved in?

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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2005, 08:18:08 AM »

That passage is misleading; it's almost as if they're trying to make it out as if Pontius Pilate was canonized for his very connection with the crucifixion of Christ...unbelievable.

According to Coptic Church tradition, Pilate's wife testified to the Messiahship of Christ, and Pilate eventually repented of his sin and begged forgiveness at the tomb of Christ. He then converted to Christianity and became a closet Christian, and the Romans and Jews then crucified him. They initially crucified him on his own cross; then they took him down and crucified him on the cross of Christ to mock him and imitate the sufferings of Christ. Eventually he was summoned back to Rome where they beheaded him, and he received the crown of martyrdom.

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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2005, 09:06:55 AM »

According to Coptic Church tradition, Pilate's wife testified to the Messiahship of Christ, and Pilate eventually repented of his sin and begged forgiveness at the tomb of Christ. He then converted to Christianity and became a closet Christian, and the Romans and Jews then crucified him. They initially crucified him on his own cross; then they took him down and crucified him on the cross of Christ to mock him and imitate the sufferings of Christ. Eventually he was summoned back to Rome where they beheaded him, and he received the crown of martyrdom.


I thought that I read somewhere about that, ages ago (while I was SDA so I really did not pay much attention to sources), could you provide some link in regard to this.

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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2005, 04:21:59 PM »

Hmmmm...

I thought this was SOLELY an Ethiopian tradition, not a Coptic one?

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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2005, 12:27:16 AM »

EkhristosAnesti, you said of Leroy Garrett's writing: "That passage is misleading; it's almost as if they're trying to make it out as if Pontius Pilate was canonized for his very connection with the crucifixion of Christ...unbelievable."

To me, Pastor Garrett was stressing God's amazing grace: he was praising God for showing mercy on Pontius Pilate although Pilate had sinned grievously by not using his authority to spare our sinless Lord.  I don't see where Pastor Garrett said Pilate was canonized for being linked to the Crucifixion.

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According to Coptic Church tradition, Pilate's wife testified to the Messiahship of Christ, and Pilate eventually repented of his sin and begged forgiveness at the tomb of Christ. He then converted to Christianity and became a closet Christian, and the Romans and Jews then crucified him. They initially crucified him on his own cross; then they took him down and crucified him on the cross of Christ to mock him and imitate the sufferings of Christ. Eventually he was summoned back to Rome where they beheaded him, and he received the crown of martyrdom.

From a 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica, I've read that the details of Pilate's last years are in dispute.  "Eusebius relates ( Hist. eccl. ii. 7 ) -- but three centuries later and on the authority of earlier writers unnamed -- that [ Pilate ] was exiled to Gaul and committed suicide at Vienne."  The encyclopedia adds, though, that Acta Pilati and Epistola Pilati present Pilate and his wife as converts to Christianity.  The encyclopedia says that the Abyssinian Church recognizes Pilate on June 25 and that the Greek Church recognizes his wife on Oct. 27.

Information about some of these things is available at this Bible Probe site:

http://www.bibleprobe.com/pontius_pilate.htm

Before reading Pastor Garrett's article, I hadn't heard that Pilate was considered a Christian convert, let alone a canonized saint.  Now I'm a bit unsure what to think of him; for Eusebius is a respected historian, but the Coptic and Ethiopian Orthodox traditions are old, too.

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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2008, 02:37:28 PM »

Also thought this was an Ethiopian tradition however I am aware of Copts who also believe it.

Could somebody please clarify the case?

Would anyone be able to point me to an icon of St. Pilate too please?
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2008, 10:45:37 PM »

According to Coptic Church tradition...

I am not too sure what, if at all, I was thinking when I wrote this, but I am not in any sense aware of any source of Coptic Church tradition that tells the story of Pilate's life relayed in my previous post. Maybe I meant to say Ethiopian? I don't know. I'm not even sure what source of Ethiopian Church tradition lies as the basis of this story. I'll have to look into this again when I have the opportunity so I can clarify what the deal is once and for all.
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2008, 12:32:24 AM »

Some years ago I when I was visiting St. Antony Monastery in California, some one in our group asked one of the monks if Pilate was a saint in the Coptic Church.  The monk said he had never heard of Pilate being a saint in his Church.

I think the Ethiopian Orthodox commemorate him on June 19.  I got that from a website that may or may not be reliable:

http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/Carter-Pontius_Pilate_Roman_Governor.htm

Our Ethiopian brothers can fill us in on the details and correct any mistakes we've made about their traditions.

With regard to other OO's venerating him, that should not be too remarkable.  Information about saints will spread from one population to another, regardless of whether their Church officially recognizes those saints.  I run my church's bookstore, and some years ago a woman came up to me with an old, worn, out-of-print book.  She asked me if I could find more copies of it so she could give them to her friends.  I looked at the book and realized it was a compilation of stories about Pilate translated into Armenian.  It had the stories of his conversion and beheading.  Of course I couldn't find any currently in print versions of it in Armenian.  But the fact that it had been translated and printed in Armenian showed that the Ethiopian tradition had spread.
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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2008, 12:15:06 AM »

Bump.

Could our Ethiopian brothers tell us something about their Church's tradition on Pontius Pilate?  It would be nice to hear the "real deal," as opposed to second hand information from non-Ethiopians.   Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2008, 08:04:52 AM »

Some years ago I when I was visiting St. Antony Monastery in California, some one in our group asked one of the monks if Pilate was a saint in the Coptic Church.  The monk said he had never heard of Pilate being a saint in his Church.

I think the Ethiopian Orthodox commemorate him on June 19.  I got that from a website that may or may not be reliable:

http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/Carter-Pontius_Pilate_Roman_Governor.htm

Our Ethiopian brothers can fill us in on the details and correct any mistakes we've made about their traditions.

With regard to other OO's venerating him, that should not be too remarkable.  Information about saints will spread from one population to another, regardless of whether their Church officially recognizes those saints.  I run my church's bookstore, and some years ago a woman came up to me with an old, worn, out-of-print book.  She asked me if I could find more copies of it so she could give them to her friends.  I looked at the book and realized it was a compilation of stories about Pilate translated into Armenian.  It had the stories of his conversion and beheading.  Of course I couldn't find any currently in print versions of it in Armenian.  But the fact that it had been translated and printed in Armenian showed that the Ethiopian tradition had spread.

With all due respect to the monk with whom you spoke, there are many monks who are honourable men of simple faith who would not have considered such things. That being said, a Christian of the Coptic Church gave me somewhat of a caution this week for refering to St. Pontius Pilate saying that you'll never hear about him officially outside of the Ethiopian Church. (This somewhat surprised me as I know this person has a personal belief that Pontius Pilate is a saint.)

I would say your link is probably in error as Wiki is unlikely to be wrong about something like this. I've heard before that it's June 25th as well although I'm not sure about which calendar. Could an Ethiopian clarify please?

You wouldn't happen to be able to say the title of that book you mentioned in English please would you? Is it available anywhere at all please?

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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2008, 06:39:05 PM »

It was an old, out of print book in Armenian.  I can't recall the exact title, but it was something about the beheading of Pilate.  I remember that, because when I tried looking for more copies of it I went to an Armenian book dealer who generally knows everything about what is out there.  When I told him the name of the book he gave me a face that basically said "eeew."   Smiley  He wasn't able to find it.  I truly doubt there are copies of it on sale anywhere.

As far as the date of Pilate's commemoration is concerned, it could be one of those saints days whose date changes a little bit every year.  Like in the Armenian Church St. Symeon the Stylite's feast day this year is on Sept. 22.  Last year it was on Sept. 24.  I have no idea how they calculate these things.

I agree with you that we need lots of input here from one of our Ethiopian posters.
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2008, 01:51:29 PM »

Take it you don't know how the Armenian calendar works then?
Do you know what it's called at all? Perhaps we could look it up on Wiki?

Agreed that we need some Ethiopians in here to assist please.

As far as books go all I could find was this novel:

http://www.amazon.ca/Memoirs-Pontius-Pilate-James-Mills/dp/product-description/0345443500

Obviously that's not it.
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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2010, 12:14:57 AM »

I hate pulling up an old thread, but I think I just found something which may shed light on when the feast day for Pontius Pilate is in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church:

http://www.stmichaeleoc.org/Synaxarium/Senne_25.htm

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On this day also died Pilate, the confessor.  Salutation to Pilate who washed his hands of the Blood of Jesus Christ.

This is listed under the date of July 2, or "Senne 25."  It seems Senne is the name of a month in the Ethiopian calendar.  Perhaps one of our Ethiopian brothers can shed more light on this.

This is from a synaxarium of the Ethiopian Church:

http://www.stmichaeleoc.org/Synaxarium/Archive.htm
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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2010, 12:33:31 AM »

That passage is misleading; it's almost as if they're trying to make it out as if Pontius Pilate was canonized for his very connection with the crucifixion of Christ...unbelievable.

According to Coptic Church tradition, Pilate's wife testified to the Messiahship of Christ, and Pilate eventually repented of his sin and begged forgiveness at the tomb of Christ. He then converted to Christianity and became a closet Christian, and the Romans and Jews then crucified him. They initially crucified him on his own cross; then they took him down and crucified him on the cross of Christ to mock him and imitate the sufferings of Christ. Eventually he was summoned back to Rome where they beheaded him, and he received the crown of martyrdom.

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I heard he committed suicide in Gaul and his body became a place demons haunted with storms and had to be moved several times (not joking). Which is the true tradition? Josephus who was probably a "secret believer" said Pilate was pretty bad while a procurator. I believe in the piety of his wife Claudia though since it is supported by the scriptures in part.
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2010, 05:45:37 AM »

According to Coptic Church tradition, Pilate's wife testified to the Messiahship of Christ, and Pilate eventually repented of his sin and begged forgiveness at the tomb of Christ. He then converted to Christianity and became a closet Christian, and the Romans and Jews then crucified him. They initially crucified him on his own cross; then they took him down and crucified him on the cross of Christ to mock him and imitate the sufferings of Christ. Eventually he was summoned back to Rome where they beheaded him, and he received the crown of martyrdom.


I thought that I read somewhere about that, ages ago (while I was SDA so I really did not pay much attention to sources), could you provide some link in regard to this.



Pontius Pilate was canonized right?
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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2010, 10:40:13 AM »

He's a saint in the Ethiopian Church.  Read my 3/7/10 post, above, for his feast day.  Other Churches don't have him as a saint.
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« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2010, 09:29:39 AM »

I was talking to friends in Ethiopia, and I was told that there is a day which recognizes him as a saint. I will find out which day it is and let you know.
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« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2010, 10:04:33 AM »

That passage is misleading; it's almost as if they're trying to make it out as if Pontius Pilate was canonized for his very connection with the crucifixion of Christ...unbelievable.

According to Coptic Church tradition, Pilate's wife testified to the Messiahship of Christ, and Pilate eventually repented of his sin and begged forgiveness at the tomb of Christ. He then converted to Christianity and became a closet Christian, and the Romans and Jews then crucified him. They initially crucified him on his own cross; then they took him down and crucified him on the cross of Christ to mock him and imitate the sufferings of Christ. Eventually he was summoned back to Rome where they beheaded him, and he received the crown of martyrdom.

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I heard he committed suicide in Gaul and his body became a place demons haunted with storms and had to be moved several times (not joking). Which is the true tradition? Josephus who was probably a "secret believer" said Pilate was pretty bad while a procurator. I believe in the piety of his wife Claudia though since it is supported by the scriptures in part.

That's horrible! Where did you get that? I hope someone could shed light on this.
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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2010, 11:18:17 PM »

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« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2010, 08:48:35 AM »

I was trying to find the book that tells the whole story of Pontius Pilate. Even though I already have enough church references that indicate that Pontius Pilate has repented and finally died as a Christian martyr, so far, I was not able to obtain the book that relates his complete story.

What is mentioned in our synaxarium (Sene 25; “Sene” is June) is his repentance only. But other books such as the “Miracles of Jesus” and the “Book of the commentary of the 14 anaphora” tell us more. In the “Miracles of Jesus” it is written that Pontius Pilate has witnessed the miracles and the resurrection of Jesus in a letter that he wrote to the king of Rome; and in the “Book of the commentary of the 14 anaphora” it is written how Pontius Pilate repented and how Jesus Christ revealed Himself to him and how Jesus talked to him in that revelation. But these are fragments of the whole story. I will continue to search for the book of the complete story.

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« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2010, 12:11:11 PM »

This is found in the Greek Acts of Peter and Paul and as an appendix to the Gospel of Nicodemus in Latin. The translation is from M. R. James as given in Quasten's Patrology, vol. 1, p. 117.

Pontius Pilate unto Claudius, greeting.

There befell of late a matter which I myself brought to light (or, made trial of): for the Jews through envy have punished themselves and their posterity with fearful judgements of their own fault; for whereas their fathers had promises (al. had announced unto them) that their God would send them out of heaven his holy one who should of right be called their king, and did promise that he would send him upon earth by a virgin; he then (or this God of the Hebrews, then) came when I was governor of Judea, and they beheld him enlightening the blind, cleansing lepers, healing the palsied, driving devils out of men, raising the dead, rebuking the winds, walking upon the waves of the sea dry-shod, and doing many other wonders, and all the people of the Jews calling him the Son of God: the chief priests therefore, moved with envy against him, took him and delivered him unto me and brought against him one false accusation after another, saying that he was a sorcerer and did things contrary to law.

But I, believing that these things were so, having scourged him, delivered him unto their will: and they crucified him, and when he was buried they set guards upon him. But while my soldiers watched him he rose again on the third day: yet so much was the malice of the Jews kindled that they gave money to the soldiers, saying: Say ye that his disciples stole away his body. But they, though they took the money, were not able to keep silence concerning that which had come to pass, for they also have testified that they saw him arisen and that they received money from the Jews. And these things have I reported (unto thy mightiness) for this cause, lest some other should lie unto thee (Lat. lest any lie otherwise) and though shouldest deem right to believe the false tales of the Jews.
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« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2010, 12:17:38 PM »

The Giving Up of Pontius Pilate.

And again the Cæsar set himself to question Pilate; and he orders a captain named Albius to cut off Pilate’s head, saying:  Just as he laid hands upon the just man named Christ, in like manner also shall he fall, and not find safety.

And Pilate, going away to the place, prayed in silence, saying:  Lord, do not destroy me along with the wicked Hebrews, because I would not have laid hands upon Thee, except for the nation of the lawless Jews, because they were exciting rebellion against me.  But Thou knowest that I did it in ignorance.  Do not then destroy me for this my sin; but remember not evil against me, O Lord, and against Thy servant Procla, who is standing with me in this the hour of my death, whom Thou didst appoint to prophesy that Thou shouldest be nailed to the cross.  Do not condemn her also in my sin; but pardon us, and make us to be numbered in the portion of Thy righteous.

And, behold, when Pilate had finished his prayer, there came a voice out of the heaven, saying:  All the generations and families of the nations shall count thee blessed, because under thee have been fulfilled all those things said about me by the prophets; and thou thyself shall be seen as my witness at my second appearing, when I shall judge the twelve tribes of Israel, and those that have not owned my name.  And the prefect struck off the head of Pilate; and, behold, an angel of the Lord received it.  And his wife Procla, seeing the angel coming and receiving his head, being filled with joy herself also, immediately gave up the ghost, and was buried along with her husband.
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The Giving Up of Pontius Pilate.

And again the Cæsar set himself to question Pilate; and he orders a captain named Albius to cut off Pilate’s head, saying:  Just as he laid hands upon the just man named Christ, in like manner also shall he fall, and not find safety.

And Pilate, going away to the place, prayed in silence, saying:  Lord, do not destroy me along with the wicked Hebrews, because I would not have laid hands upon Thee, except for the nation of the lawless Jews, because they were exciting rebellion against me.  But Thou knowest that I did it in ignorance.  Do not then destroy me for this my sin; but remember not evil against me, O Lord, and against Thy servant Procla, who is standing with me in this the hour of my death, whom Thou didst appoint to prophesy that Thou shouldest be nailed to the cross.  Do not condemn her also in my sin; but pardon us, and make us to be numbered in the portion of Thy righteous.

And, behold, when Pilate had finished his prayer, there came a voice out of the heaven, saying:  All the generations and families of the nations shall count thee blessed, because under thee have been fulfilled all those things said about me by the prophets; and thou thyself shall be seen as my witness at my second appearing, when I shall judge the twelve tribes of Israel, and those that have not owned my name.  And the prefect struck off the head of Pilate; and, behold, an angel of the Lord received it.  And his wife Procla, seeing the angel coming and receiving his head, being filled with joy herself also, immediately gave up the ghost, and was buried along with her husband.


This is shocking! Is this accepted by the Eastern Orthodox Fathers?
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« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2010, 11:19:49 AM »

These are all excerpted from various pseudepigraphical and apocryphal works with varying degrees of Orthodoxy, and/or acceptance.

It is necessary to consider the source and then ascertain whether or not the work is accepted as having any authenticity. I have only provided the texts.

Some of the traditions concerning our Lord and the Theotokos are also taken primarily from such works.

It seems to me that it is necessary to determine, or rather the Church has needed to determine, whether traditions have a currency and a value which is independent of the source in which that tradition has been preserved. The Ehiopian Church has taken these sources and used them in one way. Other Churches have taken other sources and used them in another way.

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« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2010, 05:20:38 AM »

According to Coptic Church tradition...

I am not too sure what, if at all, I was thinking when I wrote this, but I am not in any sense aware of any source of Coptic Church tradition that tells the story of Pilate's life relayed in my previous post. Maybe I meant to say Ethiopian? I don't know. I'm not even sure what source of Ethiopian Church tradition lies as the basis of this story. I'll have to look into this again when I have the opportunity so I can clarify what the deal is once and for all.
In Ethiopian Synxarium, there are some things mentioned about him. Even though I personally did not read anything about him, I was talking to one of the Ethiopian Priests. He told me that he is considered as a martyr. It must be the date that Hiywot mentioned, Sene 25, that commemorates him as a martyr. I think you can also read about pontius Pilate in a book called 'Metsehafe Getsawe'.
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