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Married bishops and the wives of the Apostles
« on: April 07, 2015, 09:33:03 PM »
There is a radical Old Believer argument that the Church has never truly had married bishops (thus it is not a true example of the Church altering a Tradition) since bishops were always obliged to either leave their wives or else live with them "as brother and sister" following their consecration.

They partially support this by claiming the Fathers translated 1 Corinthians 9:5 as "take along a believing sister or other relative" instead of "wife."

Is there any support for either of these claims? I know there is a canon about bishops not putting away their wives, but I'm not sure how it would relate.
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Re: Married bishops and the wives of the Apostles
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2015, 10:33:22 PM »
There is a radical Old Believer argument that the Church has never truly had married bishops (thus it is not a true example of the Church altering a Tradition) since bishops were always obliged to either leave their wives or else live with them "as brother and sister" following their consecration.

They partially support this by claiming the Fathers translated 1 Corinthians 9:5 as "take along a believing sister or other relative" instead of "wife."

Is there any support for either of these claims? I know there is a canon about bishops not putting away their wives, but I'm not sure how it would relate.
No. Btw, the Vatican makes similar claims.

Eusebius, for example, quotes Clement of Alexandria on St. Peter encouraging his wife at her martyrdom.

And in the verse, the word gynaika indicates "wife." It doesn't mean "other relative."
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Re: Married bishops and the wives of the Apostles
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2015, 10:39:29 PM »
"Spiritual" (unconsummated) marriages were relatively common in the early church, which is quite a far cry from the modern Vatican's teachings (which seem to be that a marriage isn't a marriage unless it's consummated, and the Vatican even put out a pamphlet recently called It's A Sin Not To Do It!).

I've heard some people claim that Peter's marriage (at least after his calling) was of this nature. I'm not sure if this was true or not, though.
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Re: Married bishops and the wives of the Apostles
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2015, 10:41:53 PM »
"Spiritual" (unconsummated) marriages were relatively common in the early church, which is quite a far cry from the modern Vatican's teachings (which seem to be that a marriage isn't a marriage unless it's consummated, and the Vatican even put out a pamphlet recently called It's A Sin Not To Do It!).

I've heard some people claim that Peter's marriage (at least after his calling) was of this nature. I'm not sure if this was true or not, though.
since there is a tradition of a daughter, evidently not.

Unconsummated marriages weren't as common as monastic literature would have it.
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Re: Married bishops and the wives of the Apostles
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2015, 11:07:25 PM »
"Spiritual" (unconsummated) marriages were relatively common in the early church, which is quite a far cry from the modern Vatican's teachings (which seem to be that a marriage isn't a marriage unless it's consummated, and the Vatican even put out a pamphlet recently called It's A Sin Not To Do It!).

They did?!  LOL. 


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Re: Married bishops and the wives of the Apostles
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2015, 11:10:23 PM »
I remember reading something about St. Peter's wife's martyrdom, actually.
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