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Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« on: April 06, 2015, 07:30:46 PM »
Seems marriage is truly dying in America.

Seeing that they've a mockery out of it over the last few decades. Especially very recently.


What we have now is a nation of "perpetual adolescents".

Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married


CNSNews.com) –  Seventy percent of American males between the ages of 20 and 34 are not married, and many live in a state of “perpetual adolescence” with ominous consequences for the nation’s future, says Janice Shaw Crouse, author of “Marriage Matters.”
Far too many young men have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility and self-sufficiency, roles generally associated with marriage and fatherhood,” Crouse, the  former executive director of the Beverly LaHaye Institute, wrote in a recent Washington Times oped.

The high percentage of bachelors means bleak prospects for millions of young women who dream about a wedding day that may never come. “It’s very, very depressing,” Crouse told CNSNews.com. “They’re not understanding how important it is for the culture, for society, for the strength of the nation to have strong families.”She pointed out that there’s “no data” to back up the common assertion that a lack of jobs during and after the Great Recession is the primary reason so many young men have been reluctant to tie the knot. “The problem with marriage was long before that,” she pointed out.



http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/bachelor-nation-70-men-aged-20-34-are-not-married
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2015, 07:33:56 PM »
Seems marriage is truly dying in America.

Seeing that they've a mockery out of it over the last few decades. Especially very recently.


What we have now is a nation of "perpetual adolescents".

Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married


CNSNews.com) –  Seventy percent of American males between the ages of 20 and 34 are not married, and many live in a state of “perpetual adolescence” with ominous consequences for the nation’s future, says Janice Shaw Crouse, author of “Marriage Matters.”
Far too many young men have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility and self-sufficiency, roles generally associated with marriage and fatherhood,” Crouse, the  former executive director of the Beverly LaHaye Institute, wrote in a recent Washington Times oped.

The high percentage of bachelors means bleak prospects for millions of young women who dream about a wedding day that may never come. “It’s very, very depressing,” Crouse told CNSNews.com. “They’re not understanding how important it is for the culture, for society, for the strength of the nation to have strong families.”She pointed out that there’s “no data” to back up the common assertion that a lack of jobs during and after the Great Recession is the primary reason so many young men have been reluctant to tie the knot. “The problem with marriage was long before that,” she pointed out.



http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/bachelor-nation-70-men-aged-20-34-are-not-married
the millions of young women dreaming about a wedding day can blame those millions of women who made the divorce court nightmare the cautionary tale it is for US bachelors.
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2015, 07:45:00 PM »
The Amazing Carnac predicts this thread is just going to turn into a Biro-JamesR-Kelly slapfight with Vamrat making his same old tired "trading women for goats" jokes.
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2015, 07:51:46 PM »
the millions of young women dreaming about a wedding day can blame those millions of women who made the divorce court nightmare the cautionary tale it is for US bachelors.
I love when you make a blanket statement using your own misogynistic account to back it up. Grossly inappropriate ad hominem removed  -PtA


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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
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^old habits die hard I guess...

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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2015, 08:09:40 PM »
To the OP, CNS News? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Wasn't the conservative agenda to defund budget programs like SNAP, TANF, and other government aid? Now they cry out for a need of "strong families". That's rich.

"responsibility and self-sufficiency" nonsense.

Unless you mean how self-sufficient you were in crawling out your mother's birth canal into a state of social privilege and wealth.

And yeah "responsibility" is another way to blame the victim, when it could be that the conditions that they are in are someone else's fault.
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2015, 08:13:06 PM »
Marriage on the way out?

Well, it had a good run I guess;

.The Death of Marriage 10,000 BC - 2028 AD



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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2015, 08:25:54 PM »
To the OP, CNS News? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Wasn't the conservative agenda to defund budget programs like SNAP, TANF, and other government aid? Now they cry out for a need of "strong families". That's rich.

"responsibility and self-sufficiency" nonsense.

Unless you mean how self-sufficient you were in crawling out your mother's birth canal into a state of social privilege and wealth.

And yeah "responsibility" is another way to blame the victim, when it could be that the conditions that they are in are someone else's fault.
Why don't you stop your whining already. And stop expecting da gubbamint to wipe your hiny all the time.

The biggest problem is men are incapable of being fathers and husbands many times these days because they act like perpetual children in tireless pursuit for a "good time" while acting extremely effeminate.

In other words, they can't handle responsibility or adulthood.

Not letting women off the hook here entirely, but in the end, the men in our culture have to take accountability for the state of marriage or lack thereof. time to man-up.

And stop blaming "social privilege" or money like "nothing" over here.

Privilege and wealth do not make a better marriage.

I have been married to the same woman for many. many years and we never had either.

And I know a whole lot of people who had both and couldn't stay married for the life of them.

Your whiny liberal theories are worthless and help "nothing".
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2015, 08:28:19 PM »
Seems marriage is truly dying in America.

Seeing that they've a mockery out of it over the last few decades. Especially very recently.


What we have now is a nation of "perpetual adolescents".

Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married


CNSNews.com) –  Seventy percent of American males between the ages of 20 and 34 are not married, and many live in a state of “perpetual adolescence” with ominous consequences for the nation’s future, says Janice Shaw Crouse, author of “Marriage Matters.”
Far too many young men have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility and self-sufficiency, roles generally associated with marriage and fatherhood,” Crouse, the  former executive director of the Beverly LaHaye Institute, wrote in a recent Washington Times oped.

The high percentage of bachelors means bleak prospects for millions of young women who dream about a wedding day that may never come. “It’s very, very depressing,” Crouse told CNSNews.com. “They’re not understanding how important it is for the culture, for society, for the strength of the nation to have strong families.”She pointed out that there’s “no data” to back up the common assertion that a lack of jobs during and after the Great Recession is the primary reason so many young men have been reluctant to tie the knot. “The problem with marriage was long before that,” she pointed out.



http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/bachelor-nation-70-men-aged-20-34-are-not-married
the millions of young women dreaming about a wedding day can blame those millions of women who made the divorce court nightmare the cautionary tale it is for US bachelors.
And who enabled/empowered these millions of women?

Yea, that's right, men.
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2015, 08:30:37 PM »
the millions of young women dreaming about a wedding day can blame those millions of women who made the divorce court nightmare the cautionary tale it is for US bachelors.
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What kind of mentality is that?

Grow up already.

BTW, I can almost guarntee you're not married.

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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2015, 08:34:06 PM »
Seems marriage is truly dying in America.

Seeing that they've a mockery out of it over the last few decades. Especially very recently.


What we have now is a nation of "perpetual adolescents".

Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married


CNSNews.com) –  Seventy percent of American males between the ages of 20 and 34 are not married, and many live in a state of “perpetual adolescence” with ominous consequences for the nation’s future, says Janice Shaw Crouse, author of “Marriage Matters.”
Far too many young men have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility and self-sufficiency, roles generally associated with marriage and fatherhood,” Crouse, the  former executive director of the Beverly LaHaye Institute, wrote in a recent Washington Times oped.

The high percentage of bachelors means bleak prospects for millions of young women who dream about a wedding day that may never come. “It’s very, very depressing,” Crouse told CNSNews.com. “They’re not understanding how important it is for the culture, for society, for the strength of the nation to have strong families.”She pointed out that there’s “no data” to back up the common assertion that a lack of jobs during and after the Great Recession is the primary reason so many young men have been reluctant to tie the knot. “The problem with marriage was long before that,” she pointed out.



http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/bachelor-nation-70-men-aged-20-34-are-not-married
the millions of young women dreaming about a wedding day can blame those millions of women who made the divorce court nightmare the cautionary tale it is for US bachelors.
And who enabled/empowered these millions of women?

Yea, that's right, men.

How do you figure that?  :o
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2015, 08:51:07 PM »
To the OP, CNS News? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Wasn't the conservative agenda to defund budget programs like SNAP, TANF, and other government aid? Now they cry out for a need of "strong families". That's rich.

"responsibility and self-sufficiency" nonsense.

Unless you mean how self-sufficient you were in crawling out your mother's birth canal into a state of social privilege and wealth.

And yeah "responsibility" is another way to blame the victim, when it could be that the conditions that they are in are someone else's fault.
Why don't you stop your whining already. And stop expecting da gubbamint to wipe your hiny all the time.

The biggest problem is men are incapable of being fathers and husbands many times these days because they act like perpetual children in tireless pursuit for a "good time" while acting extremely effeminate.

In other words, they can't handle responsibility or adulthood.

Not letting women off the hook here entirely, but in the end, the men in our culture have to take accountability for the state of marriage or lack thereof. time to man-up.

And stop blaming "social privilege" or money like "nothing" over here.

Privilege and wealth do not make a better marriage.

I have been married to the same woman for many. many years and we never had either.

And I know a whole lot of people who had both and couldn't stay married for the life of them.

Your whiny liberal theories are worthless and help "nothing".
I want the family to be abolished and children to be raised by all members of a community.

You and the rest of the conservatives are obsessed with the family, its values and defending such because you want to maintain patriarchal power in order to defend your private property.
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2015, 09:14:16 PM »
The irony is that the homosexuals are the only ones who still value marriage.

I'd disagree that not marrying makes you a child incapable of assuming a fathership husband role. That assumes that these roles are somehow special in themselves when many men who marry and/or have kids are even bigger immature losers than those who don't. No one asked you to have children. And to be honest, most of us probably shouldn't have them. Overpopulation is already an issue.

There's also the fact that as Isa said, marriage isn't worth the risk due to the divorce court which often favors the woman. That's not to say I can condone shacking up or prostitution on an Orthodox board, but I can see why men would want it. Feminism is a sexual trade union for less desirable women. Ever notice that 2nd Wave feminists sound just like old religious women except they just appeal to your emotions whereas the latter throw Bible verses in your face? They don't want young desirable women to make a living for themselves by exploiting male debauchery via prostitution, stripping, fornicating, and the like. They hate these women just as conservatives hate Mexicans who make a living for themselves by taking the jobs we're too prideful to take. Why do you think so many White men are flocking en masse to their Asian, Filipina, and Mexican wives? Marriage itself is the toughest weapon in the feminist arsenal. And apart from sex, there's not really anything beneficial to it for the man.

Again, legalized but regulated prostitution would probably liberate men from the hold that unionized women have over them via marriage. Shacking up certainly does. If women want men to start valuing marriage more than they need to start valuing divorce less.

To be honest, this whole sexual system of the West is a joke. Christianity is the only reason people show constraint. Given that most of the West has abandoned it, what's the point of still adhering to its norms? Monogamy is an anamoly to human history.

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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2015, 09:17:35 PM »
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And apart from sex, there's not really anything beneficial to it for the man.

I disagree. My gay tendencies and emasculation issues make male in person friendship awkward for me. I look forward to the companionship of a woman that I can pour my heart out to.

I doubt I'm the only one.
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2015, 09:34:10 PM »
The irony is that the homosexuals are the only ones who still value marriage.

I'd disagree that not marrying makes you a child incapable of assuming a fathership husband role. That assumes that these roles are somehow special in themselves when many men who marry and/or have kids are even bigger immature losers than those who don't. No one asked you to have children. And to be honest, most of us probably shouldn't have them. Overpopulation is already an issue.

There's also the fact that as Isa said, marriage isn't worth the risk due to the divorce court which often favors the woman. That's not to say I can condone shacking up or prostitution on an Orthodox board, but I can see why men would want it. Feminism is a sexual trade union for less desirable women. Ever notice that 2nd Wave feminists sound just like old religious women except they just appeal to your emotions whereas the latter throw Bible verses in your face? They don't want young desirable women to make a living for themselves by exploiting male debauchery via prostitution, stripping, fornicating, and the like. They hate these women just as conservatives hate Mexicans who make a living for themselves by taking the jobs we're too prideful to take. Why do you think so many White men are flocking en masse to their Asian, Filipina, and Mexican wives? Marriage itself is the toughest weapon in the feminist arsenal. And apart from sex, there's not really anything beneficial to it for the man.

Again, legalized but regulated prostitution would probably liberate men from the hold that unionized women have over them via marriage. Shacking up certainly does. If women want men to start valuing marriage more than they need to start valuing divorce less.

To be honest, this whole sexual system of the West is a joke. Christianity is the only reason people show constraint. Given that most of the West has abandoned it, what's the point of still adhering to its norms? Monogamy is an anamoly to human history.

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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2015, 09:52:08 PM »
Monogamy is an anamoly to human history.
Just want to make a note on this, I don't think anywhere in human history has there been a "true monogamy".

And really, ialmisry has demonized women before saying nasty remarks about his ex-wife and blaming women who go through divorce court as the reason behind the lack of married men.
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2015, 09:52:36 PM »
^old habits die hard I guess...
Evidently.
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
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It must be remembered that a vow deals with matters that lead us closer to evangelical perfection. Hence, whatever tends to withdraw one from perfection may not be made the object of a vow, for example, a business career, the married state, and so forth.

-St. Irenaeus, or according to Charles Martel, a perpetual adolescent.

I've come to believe that many Western Christians who become active in right-wing or nationalist political causes tend to become Jovinianist after a while. You see it in terms like "family values" becoming used as a euphemism and synonym for Christian values, and in over half the Christian-based lobbying organizations in Washington D.C. having the word "family" in their names. I suspect it isn't just an American thing. Ever since Constantine, those in the church who most favor forming alliances with politicians, as well as said politicians, have historically tended to marginalize celibates and monastics, since they don't breed another generation of cannon fodder, nor do they contribute to growing the economy relative to those of other countries, nor does their way of life benefit corporations and businesses.

Peter the Great (who was a modernizer and Westernizer at heart) cracked down on monastics for that reason because he wanted Russia to become more prosperous like the West (and perhaps also because he needed more soldiers). An even better example is the Protestant Reformation, which I've long suspected was an astroturf rather than a grassroots phenomenon, largely funded and driven by secular governments and wealthy merchants. Max Weber couldn't have been the first to notice that the reforms advocated by the Protestants had wide-ranging social and economic consequences, which certain groups of people stood to gain greatly from.
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2015, 10:06:34 PM »
The irony is that the homosexuals are the only ones who still value marriage.

I'd disagree that not marrying makes you a child incapable of assuming a fathership husband role. That assumes that these roles are somehow special in themselves when many men who marry and/or have kids are even bigger immature losers than those who don't. No one asked you to have children. And to be honest, most of us probably shouldn't have them. Overpopulation is already an issue.

There's also the fact that as Isa said, marriage isn't worth the risk due to the divorce court which often favors the woman. That's not to say I can condone shacking up or prostitution on an Orthodox board, but I can see why men would want it. Feminism is a sexual trade union for less desirable women. Ever notice that 2nd Wave feminists sound just like old religious women except they just appeal to your emotions whereas the latter throw Bible verses in your face? They don't want young desirable women to make a living for themselves by exploiting male debauchery via prostitution, stripping, fornicating, and the like. They hate these women just as conservatives hate Mexicans who make a living for themselves by taking the jobs we're too prideful to take. Why do you think so many White men are flocking en masse to their Asian, Filipina, and Mexican wives? Marriage itself is the toughest weapon in the feminist arsenal. And apart from sex, there's not really anything beneficial to it for the man.

Again, legalized but regulated prostitution would probably liberate men from the hold that unionized women have over them via marriage. Shacking up certainly does. If women want men to start valuing marriage more than they need to start valuing divorce less.

To be honest, this whole sexual system of the West is a joke. Christianity is the only reason people show constraint. Given that most of the West has abandoned it, what's the point of still adhering to its norms? Monogamy is an anamoly to human history.



Well, St. Augustine supported legalized prostitution as a "safety valve" for men who can't married but aren't capable of staying celibate either. (The fact that such an institution most likely resulted in a huge number of abortions and infanticides was apparently not something he was aware of).

I'm not sure it really makes an effective safety valve, though. One-night stands and other loveless sexual encounters only leave you feeling emptier afterwards. (I'm not speaking from personal experience here, but to be honest, like 66% of young men according to a recent study, I'd rather have a loving relationship with no sex than to have sex with no loving relationship. The latter of the two, in my opinion, dehumanizes you because you're each using each other. Sort of like the saying "the opposite of love isn't hate, it's use").
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2015, 10:14:49 PM »
To the OP, CNS News? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Wasn't the conservative agenda to defund budget programs like SNAP, TANF, and other government aid? Now they cry out for a need of "strong families". That's rich.

"responsibility and self-sufficiency" nonsense.

Unless you mean how self-sufficient you were in crawling out your mother's birth canal into a state of social privilege and wealth.

And yeah "responsibility" is another way to blame the victim, when it could be that the conditions that they are in are someone else's fault.
Why don't you stop your whining already. And stop expecting da gubbamint to wipe your hiny all the time.

The biggest problem is men are incapable of being fathers and husbands many times these days because they act like perpetual children in tireless pursuit for a "good time" while acting extremely effeminate.

In other words, they can't handle responsibility or adulthood.

Not letting women off the hook here entirely, but in the end, the men in our culture have to take accountability for the state of marriage or lack thereof. time to man-up.

And stop blaming "social privilege" or money like "nothing" over here.

Privilege and wealth do not make a better marriage.

I have been married to the same woman for many. many years and we never had either.

And I know a whole lot of people who had both and couldn't stay married for the life of them.

Your whiny liberal theories are worthless and help "nothing".
I want the family to be abolished and children to be raised by all members of a community.

You and the rest of the conservatives are obsessed with the family, its values and defending such because you want to maintain patriarchal power in order to defend your private property.

You should become a monk. There are many monasteries that run orphanages. And monks don't own private property.

But if you want to be a monk, you will have to check your heresies at the door.   :-X
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« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2015, 10:25:42 PM »
If you want to reinvigorate the traditional family, high fertility and all that, you need to make it acceptable again to treat your children like slaves: put them to work as soon as they're physically able, and beat them when they disobey. No one wants kids now because as a parent you pour resources into them and get nothing in return. Dumb reproductive instincts are no match for plain foresight.

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« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2015, 10:52:38 PM »
Peter the Great (who was a modernizer and Westernizer at heart)...

Completely false. Sorry, I had to crack down on this. I just finished reading Russia Under the Old Regime by Richard Pipes and I know that this is a flat out lie. Peter the Great wasn't the "modernizer" (whatever that means on here by those who oppose modernism without being able to define it) nor the Westerner at heart. It was the dumb broad promiscuous female rulers who came after him that brought about the Westernization by giving into all of the service class' demands and not taking an active role in leadership. They did this even at the expense of Peter the Great's table of ranks system which was still patrimonial at heart. Peter the Great only wanted the benefits of the West--particularly a military--without adopting the underlying Western system. In fact, he was quoted as saying somewhere something to the effect of "Russia doesn't need the West. She needs to learn from the West then leave her." In fact, this contradictory best-at-both-worlds approach is what led to the social unrest preceding the Revolution. There's no point in being patriotic and fulfilling duties to your nation when she doesn't recognize your rights whatsoever like a child to the Tsar.

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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2015, 11:25:19 PM »
Peter the Great (who was a modernizer and Westernizer at heart)...

Completely false. Sorry, I had to crack down on this. I just finished reading Russia Under the Old Regime by Richard Pipes and I know that this is a flat out lie. Peter the Great wasn't the "modernizer" (whatever that means on here by those who oppose modernism without being able to define it) nor the Westerner at heart. It was the dumb broad promiscuous female rulers who came after him that brought about the Westernization by giving into all of the service class' demands and not taking an active role in leadership. They did this even at the expense of Peter the Great's table of ranks system which was still patrimonial at heart. Peter the Great only wanted the benefits of the West--particularly a military--without adopting the underlying Western system. In fact, he was quoted as saying somewhere something to the effect of "Russia doesn't need the West. She needs to learn from the West then leave her." In fact, this contradictory best-at-both-worlds approach is what led to the social unrest preceding the Revolution. There's no point in being patriotic and fulfilling duties to your nation when she doesn't recognize your rights whatsoever like a child to the Tsar.

You might want to find a different/additional source than Pipes. His pretty brutally criticized in historical circles.
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2015, 11:41:49 PM »
Peter the Great (who was a modernizer and Westernizer at heart)...

Completely false. Sorry, I had to crack down on this. I just finished reading Russia Under the Old Regime by Richard Pipes and I know that this is a flat out lie. Peter the Great wasn't the "modernizer" (whatever that means on here by those who oppose modernism without being able to define it) nor the Westerner at heart. It was the dumb broad promiscuous female rulers who came after him that brought about the Westernization by giving into all of the service class' demands and not taking an active role in leadership. They did this even at the expense of Peter the Great's table of ranks system which was still patrimonial at heart. Peter the Great only wanted the benefits of the West--particularly a military--without adopting the underlying Western system. In fact, he was quoted as saying somewhere something to the effect of "Russia doesn't need the West. She needs to learn from the West then leave her." In fact, this contradictory best-at-both-worlds approach is what led to the social unrest preceding the Revolution. There's no point in being patriotic and fulfilling duties to your nation when she doesn't recognize your rights whatsoever like a child to the Tsar.

You might want to find a different/additional source than Pipes. His pretty brutally criticized in historical circles.

You mean to tell me JamesR will have to read more than one book in order to be an expert on a given subject?
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2015, 12:27:56 AM »
Peter the Great (who was a modernizer and Westernizer at heart)...

Completely false. Sorry, I had to crack down on this. I just finished reading Russia Under the Old Regime by Richard Pipes and I know that this is a flat out lie. Peter the Great wasn't the "modernizer" (whatever that means on here by those who oppose modernism without being able to define it) nor the Westerner at heart. It was the dumb broad promiscuous female rulers who came after him that brought about the Westernization by giving into all of the service class' demands and not taking an active role in leadership. They did this even at the expense of Peter the Great's table of ranks system which was still patrimonial at heart. Peter the Great only wanted the benefits of the West--particularly a military--without adopting the underlying Western system. In fact, he was quoted as saying somewhere something to the effect of "Russia doesn't need the West. She needs to learn from the West then leave her." In fact, this contradictory best-at-both-worlds approach is what led to the social unrest preceding the Revolution. There's no point in being patriotic and fulfilling duties to your nation when she doesn't recognize your rights whatsoever like a child to the Tsar.

A lot of his modernization was in the military.  In that respect, he was a modernizer. 
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« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2015, 04:47:44 AM »
Seems marriage is truly dying in America.

Seeing that they've a mockery out of it over the last few decades. Especially very recently.


What we have now is a nation of "perpetual adolescents".

Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married


CNSNews.com) –  Seventy percent of American males between the ages of 20 and 34 are not married, and many live in a state of “perpetual adolescence” with ominous consequences for the nation’s future, says Janice Shaw Crouse, author of “Marriage Matters.”
Far too many young men have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility and self-sufficiency, roles generally associated with marriage and fatherhood,” Crouse, the  former executive director of the Beverly LaHaye Institute, wrote in a recent Washington Times oped.

The high percentage of bachelors means bleak prospects for millions of young women who dream about a wedding day that may never come. “It’s very, very depressing,” Crouse told CNSNews.com. “They’re not understanding how important it is for the culture, for society, for the strength of the nation to have strong families.”She pointed out that there’s “no data” to back up the common assertion that a lack of jobs during and after the Great Recession is the primary reason so many young men have been reluctant to tie the knot. “The problem with marriage was long before that,” she pointed out.



http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/bachelor-nation-70-men-aged-20-34-are-not-married
the millions of young women dreaming about a wedding day can blame those millions of women who made the divorce court nightmare the cautionary tale it is for US bachelors.
And who enabled/empowered these millions of women?

Yea, that's right, men.

How do you figure that?  :o
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The irony is that the homosexuals are the only ones who still value marriage.

The irony is that it's impossible for homosexuals to be truly "married".

Well, to each other at least.

Anyway, your observation is completely false.
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« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2015, 04:58:16 AM »
Seems marriage is truly dying in America.

Seeing that they've a mockery out of it over the last few decades. Especially very recently.


What we have now is a nation of "perpetual adolescents".

Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married


CNSNews.com) –  Seventy percent of American males between the ages of 20 and 34 are not married, and many live in a state of “perpetual adolescence” with ominous consequences for the nation’s future, says Janice Shaw Crouse, author of “Marriage Matters.”
Far too many young men have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility and self-sufficiency, roles generally associated with marriage and fatherhood,” Crouse, the  former executive director of the Beverly LaHaye Institute, wrote in a recent Washington Times oped.

The high percentage of bachelors means bleak prospects for millions of young women who dream about a wedding day that may never come. “It’s very, very depressing,” Crouse told CNSNews.com. “They’re not understanding how important it is for the culture, for society, for the strength of the nation to have strong families.”She pointed out that there’s “no data” to back up the common assertion that a lack of jobs during and after the Great Recession is the primary reason so many young men have been reluctant to tie the knot. “The problem with marriage was long before that,” she pointed out.



http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/bachelor-nation-70-men-aged-20-34-are-not-married
the millions of young women dreaming about a wedding day can blame those millions of women who made the divorce court nightmare the cautionary tale it is for US bachelors.
And who enabled/empowered these millions of women?

Yea, that's right, men.

How do you figure that?  :o
I know people.

Well isn't that helpful in a debate ::)
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« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2015, 05:01:49 AM »
If you want to reinvigorate the traditional family, high fertility and all that, you need to make it acceptable again to treat your children like slaves: put them to work as soon as they're physically able, and beat them when they disobey. No one wants kids now because as a parent you pour resources into them and get nothing in return. Dumb reproductive instincts are no match for plain foresight.
Most people I know from a "traditional" family, don't beat or enslave their children and they're perfectly happy, productive and normal. If you want children miserable, lazy with all kinds of issues, then go ahead and do the opposite.

It's the spoiled brats, like many of the liberal minded people who post on this forum who can't seem to function as a parent or a spouse or even appreciate the duties, responsibilites and rewards of a loving marriage and family.

At the end of the day, that is the reason marriage is dying because many of the younger people these days carry on like selfish little children through most of their young adult years. They want nothing to do with responsibility.

Like the OP states.......perpetual children.

We live in a Peter Pan society.

Never-never land in America.

Believe me it's not going to last.
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« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2015, 05:05:50 AM »
Seems marriage is truly dying in America.

Seeing that they've a mockery out of it over the last few decades. Especially very recently.


What we have now is a nation of "perpetual adolescents".

Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married


CNSNews.com) –  Seventy percent of American males between the ages of 20 and 34 are not married, and many live in a state of “perpetual adolescence” with ominous consequences for the nation’s future, says Janice Shaw Crouse, author of “Marriage Matters.”
Far too many young men have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility and self-sufficiency, roles generally associated with marriage and fatherhood,” Crouse, the  former executive director of the Beverly LaHaye Institute, wrote in a recent Washington Times oped.

The high percentage of bachelors means bleak prospects for millions of young women who dream about a wedding day that may never come. “It’s very, very depressing,” Crouse told CNSNews.com. “They’re not understanding how important it is for the culture, for society, for the strength of the nation to have strong families.”She pointed out that there’s “no data” to back up the common assertion that a lack of jobs during and after the Great Recession is the primary reason so many young men have been reluctant to tie the knot. “The problem with marriage was long before that,” she pointed out.



http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/bachelor-nation-70-men-aged-20-34-are-not-married
the millions of young women dreaming about a wedding day can blame those millions of women who made the divorce court nightmare the cautionary tale it is for US bachelors.
And who enabled/empowered these millions of women?

Yea, that's right, men.

How do you figure that?  :o
I know people.

Well isn't that helpful in a debate ::)
Sorry, I responded to the wrong question.

But, what I meant was that it was mostly men who enacted the legislation we have today that has been destructive on many marriages and empowering women to attack their husbands and divide the family.
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2015, 05:12:43 AM »
Seems marriage is truly dying in America.

Seeing that they've a mockery out of it over the last few decades. Especially very recently.


What we have now is a nation of "perpetual adolescents".

Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married


CNSNews.com) –  Seventy percent of American males between the ages of 20 and 34 are not married, and many live in a state of “perpetual adolescence” with ominous consequences for the nation’s future, says Janice Shaw Crouse, author of “Marriage Matters.”
Far too many young men have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility and self-sufficiency, roles generally associated with marriage and fatherhood,” Crouse, the  former executive director of the Beverly LaHaye Institute, wrote in a recent Washington Times oped.

The high percentage of bachelors means bleak prospects for millions of young women who dream about a wedding day that may never come. “It’s very, very depressing,” Crouse told CNSNews.com. “They’re not understanding how important it is for the culture, for society, for the strength of the nation to have strong families.”She pointed out that there’s “no data” to back up the common assertion that a lack of jobs during and after the Great Recession is the primary reason so many young men have been reluctant to tie the knot. “The problem with marriage was long before that,” she pointed out.



http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/bachelor-nation-70-men-aged-20-34-are-not-married
the millions of young women dreaming about a wedding day can blame those millions of women who made the divorce court nightmare the cautionary tale it is for US bachelors.
And who enabled/empowered these millions of women?

Yea, that's right, men.

How do you figure that?  :o
I know people.

Well isn't that helpful in a debate ::)
Sorry, I responded to the wrong question.

But, what I meant was that it was mostly men who enacted the legislation we have today that has been destructive on many marriages and empowering women to attack their husbands and divide the family.

Oh, ok.
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2015, 05:13:14 AM »
If you want to reinvigorate the traditional family, high fertility and all that, you need to make it acceptable again to treat your children like slaves: put them to work as soon as they're physically able, and beat them when they disobey. No one wants kids now because as a parent you pour resources into them and get nothing in return. Dumb reproductive instincts are no match for plain foresight.
Most people I know from a "traditional" family, don't beat or enslave their children and they're perfectly happy, productive and normal. If you want children miserable, lazy with all kinds of issues, then go ahead and do the opposite.

It's the spoiled brats, like many of the liberal minded people who post on this forum who can't seem to function as a parent or a spouse or even appreciate the duties, responsibilites and rewards of a loving marriage and family.

At the end of the day, that is the reason marriage is dying because many of the younger people these days carry on like selfish little children through most of their young adult years. They want nothing to do with responsibility.

Like the OP states.......perpetual children.

We live in a Peter Pan society.

Never-never land in America.

Believe me it's not going to last.

Then what do you propose to correct it?
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2015, 06:43:57 AM »
The article is more agitprop than news.

There's also the fact that as Isa said, marriage isn't worth the risk due to the divorce court which often favors the woman.

Indeed, that's something you hear a lot. CM was partly right in blaming the Peter Pan culture as well, just like Achronos was partly right when he blamed the economic instability (I wonder whether the number of marriages were down in the late 70s-early 80s as well for this reason - the graph in the article seems to suggest it was, and that marriage made a bit of a comeback in the affluent 90s.), but because of the latter two marriage is probably postponed instead of abandoned altogether. Expect a lot of marriages to happen in 5-10 years.

The graph in the article shows that a decrease in the amount of marriages have been a trend for a long time (at least for half a century).


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Marriage itself is the toughest weapon in the feminist arsenal. And apart from sex, there's not really anything beneficial to it for the man.

Not entirely.

Privilege and wealth do not make a better marriage.

There's nothing more demanding on a marriage than the loss of a job and lack of money.

If you want to reinvigorate the traditional family, high fertility and all that, you need to make it acceptable again to treat your children like slaves: put them to work as soon as they're physically able, and beat them when they disobey. No one wants kids now because as a parent you pour resources into them and get nothing in return. Dumb reproductive instincts are no match for plain foresight.
Most people I know from a "traditional" family, don't beat or enslave their children and they're perfectly happy, productive and normal. If you want children miserable, lazy with all kinds of issues, then go ahead and do the opposite.

It's the spoiled brats, like many of the liberal minded people who post on this forum who can't seem to function as a parent or a spouse or even appreciate the duties, responsibilites and rewards of a loving marriage and family.

At the end of the day, that is the reason marriage is dying because many of the younger people these days carry on like selfish little children through most of their young adult years. They want nothing to do with responsibility.

Like the OP states.......perpetual children.

We live in a Peter Pan society.

Never-never land in America.

Believe me it's not going to last.

Then what do you propose to correct it?

It probably involves brownshirts sweeping the streets clean of undesirables.
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #34 on: April 07, 2015, 07:00:24 AM »
And apart from sex, there's not really anything beneficial to it for the man.

Science disagrees.
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2015, 07:15:02 AM »
The biggest problem is men are [...] extremely effeminate.

That's what the article said, but then the author went on to whine about how men don't want romance but only want sex with all the girls as quickly as possible. How ironical. I doubt she recognizes that she wants to have her cake and eat it too.
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2015, 07:22:31 AM »
The biggest problem is men are incapable of being fathers and husbands many times these days because they act like perpetual children in tireless pursuit for a "good time" while acting extremely effeminate.

That's what the article said, but then the author went on to whine about how men don't want romance but only want sex with all the girls as quickly as possible. How ironical. I doubt she recognizes that she wants to have her cake and eat it too.

No, she's saying that the only women who will give sex to these perpetually adolescent men are the party girls who aren't looking for commitment anyway. The women who actually want a man who will make a commitment to something that lasts longer than his own orgasm thus can't find any men because they've all become perpetual adolescents.

So the problem is caused by most men and some (most?) women pretty equally.
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2015, 08:35:11 AM »
There's nothing more demanding on a marriage than the loss of a job and lack of money.
I was going to bring this up as well, but I don't have the numbers to back it up, do you? That's gotta be de facto #1 stress to break a marriage, right next to adultery and unhappiness within the marriage.
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2015, 08:51:22 AM »
actually in a society where every approach to a woman you are interested in offends them it is hard to get the guts to approach one. I am trying to listen to my fathers advice which is work to make money first and you will find a number interested in you
Also some people have social disorders like myself so you can't blame me because I don't know how to chat to women or maybe people in general without offending them or interesting them. Also I may not have the mental or physical capacity to take on some responsibilities as others do. I wonder if they don't like me because I am competitive even spiritually or self centred. Of course people would like me being competitive to others but not to your family and to the point where you don't spend time with them
I shouldn't have to be only other person centred but people don't want me to achieve anything or be happy. They also might not like me because I love God or am religious and they worry religious people will be controlling
Also is it right for a woman to force you to give up all your dreams or career for her ? Even so I would but it still a shock that I would have to because if I don't have hobbies I can't even talk to people
I would like a partner where each one supports one to grow in all areas or else they must be okay to allow me also to talk a lot about the bible to them and put up with all my thoughts
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2015, 09:30:57 AM »
I don't know how to chat to women or maybe people in general without offending them or interesting them.

That doesn't sound too bad.

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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2015, 09:41:12 AM »
I don't know how to chat to women or maybe people in general without offending them or interesting them.

That doesn't sound too bad.

I thought the same thing. Isnt that the goal?
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2015, 09:45:36 AM »
Forgive the bad English I meant I don't know how to interest them
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2015, 11:16:37 AM »
People are opportunists.  They do things often because they can, because the other gender allows it and by their actions promotes it.  The women and men of each generation typically deserve one another. 
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2015, 12:56:08 PM »
People are opportunists.
I know one. They would ditch their radical ideals upon seizing the opportunity to live in a relative lap of luxury and do anything to secure it. That's why I think communism is a bankrupt ideology, besides rooted in deep inadequacy and envy issues. Give a commie a million dollars and see how much more comfier that armchair gets. I'm against all that SJW crap also. Unless you dying on the streets pleading for the lives of others that need basic necessities of life or going to jail for the sake of another, but more than likely those pontificate from their new smartphone inside of a Whole Foods store, please shut the hell up. Tired of people complaining about their petty insignificant 1st world problems, sorry I give rise to no sympathy.

I think I'm much more aware now that people are synonymous with excrement. I've yet to meet a genuine man that isn't a phony or fraud or doesn't lie. Everyone is a liar, murderer and blasphemer. So when Charles and such tell others to "man up", I don't know what that means. Look at some of the comments around here, men are horrible. The things they say about women, the way they treat them or how they should be. Subjecting women as mere means to initiate a boner.

The incredible conundrum is that God would let crucified to save all human garbage, we are not worthy. Far from it. We are better off being subsumed into the sun.
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Re: Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married....
« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2015, 04:52:40 PM »
(I wonder whether the number of marriages were down in the late 70s-early 80s as well for this reason - the graph in the article seems to suggest it was, and that marriage made a bit of a comeback in the affluent 90s)

The Silent Generation began divorcing en masse during the 70s and 80s because they wanted to see what it'd be like to be single again. This is probably the product of the sexual revolution thing of the 1960s.