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Are men financially shooting themselves in the foot by their own misogyny?

http://www.upworthy.com/51-pretty-shocking-facts-that-make-things-harder-for-every-woman-you-have-ever-met?c=reccon1

My wife was lucky in that even though she did not make as much as men for the same work, she did quite well financially.

That means that I was quite lucky as well because between us we did quite well.

Many misogynous and chauvinistic men have not done as well because of their own gender views and complain vehemently against the system of misogyny when it comes to their own wealth, --- even as they support it and keep their wives, daughters and mothers as second class citizens.

Are all husbands and men who plan to marry, --- who are not promoting equality,  --- financially shooting themselves in the foot by their own misogyny?

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Many misogynous and chauvinistic men have not done as well because of their own gender views and complain vehemently against the system of misogyny when it comes to their own wealth, --- even as they support it and keep their wives, daughters and mothers as second class citizens.

What do you think we are? Afghan goat herders?

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Many misogynous and chauvinistic men have not done as well because of their own gender views and complain vehemently against the system of misogyny when it comes to their own wealth, --- even as they support it and keep their wives, daughters and mothers as second class citizens.

What do you think we are? Afghan goat herders?

If you hear some feminists talk, yes.

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Many misogynous and chauvinistic men have not done as well because of their own gender views and complain vehemently against the system of misogyny when it comes to their own wealth, --- even as they support it and keep their wives, daughters and mothers as second class citizens.

What do you think we are? Afghan goat herders?

Most Orthodox countries are not much more advanced than Afghan goat herders.
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My father taught me that women work in kitchen and men work in factory.

Well, a man with a fate like that, no wonder he sought to spread the misery.
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Even Bible teaches that women should serve men. I guess those who wrote Bible didn't consider that women will eventually get their dignity and human rights back. xD
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Even Bible teaches that women should serve men. I guess those who wrote Bible didn't consider that women will eventually get their dignity and human rights back. xD

Many misogynous and chauvinistic men have not done as well because of their own gender views and complain vehemently against the system of misogyny when it comes to their own wealth, --- even as they support it and keep their wives, daughters and mothers as second class citizens.

What do you think we are? Afghan goat herders?

Most Orthodox countries are not much more advanced than Afghan goat herders.

« Last Edit: March 22, 2015, 04:34:57 PM by Minnesotan »
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Even Bible teaches that women should serve men. I guess those who wrote Bible didn't consider that women will eventually get their dignity and human rights back. xD

Many misogynous and chauvinistic men have not done as well because of their own gender views and complain vehemently against the system of misogyny when it comes to their own wealth, --- even as they support it and keep their wives, daughters and mothers as second class citizens.

What do you think we are? Afghan goat herders?

Most Orthodox countries are not much more advanced than Afghan goat herders.


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My father taught me that women work in kitchen and men work in factory.

Then he must have had a poor palate.

Just kidding my friend, --- but I think he was wrong as men are the best chiefs and for repetitive drudgery, women seem to be able to handle the brain dead work better than men.

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Many misogynous and chauvinistic men have not done as well because of their own gender views and complain vehemently against the system of misogyny when it comes to their own wealth, --- even as they support it and keep their wives, daughters and mothers as second class citizens.

What do you think we are? Afghan goat herders?

I do not know who is here but the U.N. and most intelligent people seems to think the whole world has a ways to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0Dg226G2Z8#t=39

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... women seem to be able to handle the brain dead work better than men.

Ooh he can troll from all sides! A versatile.
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Even Bible teaches that women should serve men. I guess those who wrote Bible didn't consider that women will eventually get their dignity and human rights back. xD

So it is ok to deny it here and now. Quite a view of justice. Would you be listening and supporting that view so well if you were a woman?

But that aside and to not get too personal, let me ask a general question to big strapping men like you and any weak women that might be here.

Generally speaking, should the strong serve the weak in a family, --- or should the weak serve the strong?

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... women seem to be able to handle the brain dead work better than men.

Ooh he can troll from all sides! A versatile.

A realist.

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Gender roles are simply a recognition of the strengths and weaknesses of each gender in a general way.  But there will always be exceptions and those who don't easily fit into such boxes (which is exactly why trying to codify "gender" into any meaningful legal category is frivilous, but I digress).  I am a stay-at-home Dad my wife is career oriented.  I think any person, male or female, who feels any person needs to change who they are in order to fit into their life is pathetic.
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Do you ever wonder what happens on the other Christian forums where he does this? Something tells me we aren't that great a source of entertainment, compared.
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Gender roles are simply a recognition of the strengths and weaknesses of each gender in a general way.  But there will always be exceptions and those who don't easily fit into such boxes (which is exactly why trying to codify "gender" into any meaningful legal category is frivilous, but I digress).  I am a stay-at-home Dad my wife is career oriented.  I think any person, male or female, who feels any person needs to change who they are in order to fit into their life is pathetic.

Oh that's why your username is Homedad76! Gosh I'm slow.

We should hang.
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Do you ever wonder what happens on the other Christian forums where he does this? Something tells me we aren't that great a source of entertainment, compared.

I would love to see the reactions on the fundie forums...  pure entertainment.
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Gender roles are simply a recognition of the strengths and weaknesses of each gender in a general way.  But there will always be exceptions and those who don't easily fit into such boxes (which is exactly why trying to codify "gender" into any meaningful legal category is frivilous, but I digress).

Well thought out and put.

I have to wonder then if you think God was being frivolous when doing just that with his  --- he shall rule over you, --- thus categorizing women as being ruled over by men.

Gnostic Christian equate equality with righteousness and we see God not being righteous with that tenet as well as the one forbidding women to teach men.

 I am a stay-at-home Dad my wife is career oriented.  I think any person, male or female, who feels any person needs to change who they are in order to fit into their life is pathetic.

I agree and wonder then why Christians are so homophobic and demand that gays change or supress who they are.

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Gender roles are simply a recognition of the strengths and weaknesses of each gender in a general way.  But there will always be exceptions and those who don't easily fit into such boxes (which is exactly why trying to codify "gender" into any meaningful legal category is frivilous, but I digress).

Well thought out and put.

I have to wonder then if you think God was being frivolous when doing just that with his  --- he shall rule over you, --- thus categorizing women as being ruled over by men.

Gnostic Christian equate equality with righteousness and we see God not being righteous with that tenet as well as the one forbidding women to teach men.

 I am a stay-at-home Dad my wife is career oriented.  I think any person, male or female, who feels any person needs to change who they are in order to fit into their life is pathetic.

I agree and wonder then why Christians are so homophobic and demand that gays change or supress who they are.

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All of us are called to live according to virtue of chastity, all of us - whether strait or gay - must practice self-mastery.
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Gender roles are simply a recognition of the strengths and weaknesses of each gender in a general way.  But there will always be exceptions and those who don't easily fit into such boxes (which is exactly why trying to codify "gender" into any meaningful legal category is frivilous, but I digress).

Well thought out and put.

I have to wonder then if you think God was being frivolous when doing just that with his  --- he shall rule over you, --- thus categorizing women as being ruled over by men.

Gnostic Christian equate equality with righteousness and we see God not being righteous with that tenet as well as the one forbidding women to teach men.

 I am a stay-at-home Dad my wife is career oriented.  I think any person, male or female, who feels any person needs to change who they are in order to fit into their life is pathetic.

I agree and wonder then why Christians are so homophobic and demand that gays change or supress who they are.

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DL

DL, the ancient Orthodox Church believed that sex is a blessing within heterosexual marriage, and that children were a blessing, and promoted a family life, following the teachings of our Lord and the Apostles in the Canonical New Testament we compiled.

The Gnostics of who, you seem to identify on the other hand generally did not value procreation and favored sex for pleasure.  But the Orthodox parted ways with the Gnostics over this point roughly 1,965 years ago.

So, I don't think you're going to find any converts here.  I don't go to Gnostic forums and troll there.  I have trolled the blog of a United Methodist Minister who was breaking the rules of the church in which Imwas originally baptized as an infant and grew up in in order to promote a crypto-Gnostic theology.  But I respect the Ecclesia Gnostica, Bishop Stephen Hoeller and all Gnostics who are honest about their believes.  But the Orthodox Church is adamantly against Gnosticism and always has been.  So if you agree with the Valentinians or the Mainchees or the Paulicians or the Bogomils or whomever, that's fine by me.  But we disagree.  And we resent being called misogynistic.  Our people along with !andaean Gnostics are being persecuted in the Middle East right now; fortunately most Mandaeans have emigrated to safety and there are only 2,000 or so left in Iraq but there are I believe hundreds of thousands of Orthodox, Catholic and Nestorian Christians who are in mortal danger and about 30,000 Yazidis, who probably were Gnostic and whose faith contains Gnostic elements.  Not to mention the Alevis, the Yarsanis, the Zoroastrians, the Baha'i and other minorities.  So I am really not going to engage with anyone who calls us misogynist while were getting killed in Syria and Iraq.  The United Methodist minister did that and I chewed him out for it, and systematically went through his blog, posted detailed refutations of all his heretical posts, which to my knowledge are still online, and compiled the results into a 70,000 word polemic.

If he had actually shown that he cared about the persecuted religious minorities in the Middle East including his Christian brothers and sisters, which Bishop Hoeller of the Ecclesia Gnostica has, through lecture series and other events here in the LA area (I really regret missing his lecture on the Yazidis), I would have not only left the Methodist pastor alone, but would have agreed to disagree with him.

Maybe when ISIL stops selling Christian and Yazidi children of both sexes for use as slaves, sex slaves even, we can revisit the 2nd century and take a look at St. Irenaeus and his refutations of Gnosticism, and examine the Gnostic and Orthodox scriptures and traditions, and discuss issues like homosexuality and women's rights.  But right now, unless you're actively doing things to help the Christians and other minorities being killed and treated barbarically by ISIL, I think I speak for many of us on this forum in reminding you that as far as the Orthodox Church is concerned, until you repent, which we pray for, you are anathema maranatha and we really can't have this particular discussion with you right now.

Now if you're willing to respectfully engage with us and show us what you're doing to help the persecuted Christians and religious minorities of the middle East, even if it's just prayer on your part, then I think we can have a dialogue with you.  Note I speak only for myself, but I believe a lot of weary members of this forum feel the same way.

Lastly please note this forum has established that it officially supports the Orthodox teaching on homosexuality, that is to say, that it's wrong and we shouldn't do that.  Now maybe we're wrong, and you're welcome to believe that and be a Gnostic, but please bear in mind the real suffering that the Christians in the Middle East, and their brothers and sisters from other Minority religions are under.  If you want to see misogyny par excellence, you're barking up the wrong tree; the Islamic State has practically turned the abuse and degradation of woe,n, and young girls and boys, into an art form.  Whereas we object to the mistreatment of women.
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