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Locking and Removing Topics
« on: June 14, 2005, 11:26:45 PM »
I have received a warning for attempting to remove some of that topics that I've created. This is rather strange considering that the option of removing a topic is right there for all to use. If we were not allowed to remove topics, then the option shouldn't be present.
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Re: Locking and Removing Topics
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2005, 11:33:46 PM »
Out of, I admit, idle curiosity why did you want to remove topics? 

If you removed a topic that others had posted in, you would be removing their words, not just your own, it occurs to me.

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Re: Locking and Removing Topics
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2005, 12:35:50 AM »
I remember that a long time back there was a problem with certain posters deciding they didn't want to be on the board anymore, and going back and deleting all of their previous posts. The ability to edit or delete posts was taken away for awhile, but given back with the caveat that it not be misused. It appears to be intended for clarification or fixing grammatical and typographical errors, not for un-saying stuff that was posted long ago.

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Re: Locking and Removing Topics
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2005, 01:02:01 AM »
Ohh, so it was you mathew who removed the Moby thread? I was wondering why my post count was down and then I noticed the moby thread was removed also, but thanks to the common sense of the mods. it has been restored. If you can't take the heat, maybe you should get out of the kitchen... ;D
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Re: Locking and Removing Topics
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2005, 02:23:11 AM »
Matthew my friend, we will be implementing technical measures to prevent you from deleting your own posts. But until then, please know that as you will have to stand by your posts on Judgment Day, so shall you have to stand by what you write here with us...for eternity :)

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Re: Locking and Removing Topics
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2005, 02:25:53 AM »
I removed the O'Rielly thread because its most important parts were censured and I removed the Moby thread because it ran its course. If that were against the rules to remove your own thread, then it shouldn't be an option.
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Re: Locking and Removing Topics
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2005, 02:37:12 AM »
I removed the O'Rielly thread because its most important parts were censured and I removed the Moby thread because it ran its course. If that were against the rules to remove your own thread, then it shouldn't be an option.

It is not for YOU to judge when a thread has run its course. As you know, we recently upgraded, and for this reason and this reason alone was the ability to remove your own thread available to you--i.e., it was a mistake. So my friend, until we correct it, you will just have to excercise self restraint and not cause others' posts to be erased.

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Re: Locking and Removing Topics
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2005, 02:58:28 AM »
Well, if it wasn't my fault, then I should not have received a warning.
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Re: Locking and Removing Topics
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2005, 03:55:55 AM »
Well, if it wasn't my fault, then I should not have received a warning.

Did you, or did you not remove a whole bunch of other people's posts? It may not be your fault that the option was available to you, but it was you who deleted other people's posts without their permission.

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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2005, 09:32:59 AM »
I removed the O'Rielly thread because its most important parts were censured

The quotes of what amounted to soft-core pornography were the "most important parts"? Why would they have to be posted here when links were provided so that such as wanted to read it could?   Putting that up might very well be worthy of censure.  " 2 : to find fault with and criticize as blameworthy" from Merriam-Webster

Or do you mean that they were censored?

Either way, this might be looked on as a guide or lesson in discretion for posting perhaps. Not everything that a person says or does is necessarily appropriate for every venue.  Discernment and discretion are very helpful things to learn.  There are ways to get a point across without dumping everything. 

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and I removed the Moby thread because it ran its course.

Maybe for you it had, but apparently other people were still on it, even if it had wandered as threads tend to do on the Net (a fine old tradition, that  ;) )  By what authority do you decide for others?    The world goes as it will and not as any one person decides it ought to.  The forum will go as it will and as the mods try to guide (mostly with a gentle hand.  I've seen places where threads are locked and people banned in a most autocratic manner.)   

I've also seen too many people who decide that things that they've written/posted/blogged made them look bad and they've erased it as though to make like it never happened.  But other people read them and commented on them and now that the pieces are gone it makes the eraser look bad in he/she couldn't take disagreement or other opinions or they couldn't say something like "I was wrong back there."  It's very Human to not like to admit to making a mistake, but it's a vital thing to learn.

Sometimes it seems like three of the hardest sentences for a Human Being to learn to say are "I don't know."  "I was wrong."  and "I'm sorry."

Too much random philosophizing... better go find coffee.

With respect and apologies

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Re: Locking and Removing Topics
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2005, 10:20:31 AM »
Well, if it wasn't my fault, then I should not have received a warning.

It was your fault; you deleted posts when I have repeatedly said that users are not to delete posts after they have been posted. We have such a feature so MISTAKES can be cleared up, but you are still responsible for your own actions.  Maybe you didn't know about that rule, which is why you only received a warning. That's what warnings are for; low level slaps on the wrist. It will wear off in a few days anyway.

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Re: Locking and Removing Topics
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2005, 12:53:14 PM »
You know, Matthew, you whine an awful lot.  Why can't you just be a conformist?

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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2005, 02:04:48 PM »
Because then he wouldn't get the needed attention to stroke his fragile ego.
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Re: Locking and Removing Topics
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2005, 07:32:01 PM »
Or do you mean that they were censored?

Yes, that is what I mean.
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Re: Locking and Removing Topics
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2005, 07:34:08 PM »
You know, Matthew, you whine an awful lot. Why can't you just be a conformist?

I am not trying to whine. I do think that it would be a cool feature to be able to delete your own threads though.
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Re: Locking and Removing Topics
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2005, 08:05:56 PM »
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I do think that it would be a cool feature to be able to delete your own threads though.

but they become not your own once another forum member responds to them.
hmmmm...

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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2005, 08:39:33 PM »
Yes, that is what I mean.

So it is "censorship" to remove soft core pornography from postings in a publically viewable relgious forum?  Why do you think that it was a bad thing for the material to be removed?

Why did you think it appropriate to post the quotes rather then just letting people follow the links if they wished to read further?

Why would you have thought that it was more important to post those quotes then follow the rules of the forum regarding post content? 

Just because a person wants to do something, doesn't always mean that it's a good thing to do.  And not all forums are alike.; what may be posted with impunity in one, might be quite out of place in another, even if the same topic is being discussed.  There are many ways to get ones thoughts across, maybe.

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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2005, 08:48:18 PM »
I do think that it would be a cool feature to be able to delete your own threads though.

Why?  Can you please explain why it would be cool?  And why should the starter of a thread have such power over the posts of other people who may have responded.

Those whom I've seen erase things seem to have done it because their previous words now make them look bad or show them to have made mistakes.  Erasing such things looks more like it was caused by Pride in the sense of "Superbia"  unreasonable and inordinate self-esteem, as the dictionary says.

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Re: Locking and Removing Topics
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2005, 09:38:41 PM »
Can you please explain why it would be cool?

Just in case a thread strays way off topic.

Why would you have thought that it was more important to post those quotes then follow the rules of the forum regarding post content?

Because we live in real life and part of real life is that we have political figures and admired pundits who live less than admirable lives. In truth, I am probably no better than these people. However, what I find bothersome is how they use their positions of prominence to excuse themselves from any accountability.
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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2005, 09:51:53 PM »
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Just in case a thread strays way off topic.

That's what threads do. Once you post a thread, you are no longer its owner. Deal.

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« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2005, 10:25:26 PM »
Just in case a thread strays way off topic.

Sorry, I shouldn't chuckle, but wandering threads are a Net tradition going back to the Dim Times of UseNet when *NO one* could control them. Now-a-days admins and mods can thread-wrangle maybe.  (That keeps the tread from wandering out the door, down the steps and catching the 84 bus across town.  ;D )  Sometimes new and interesting things come up in wandering threads or they spawn new threads. ÂÂ

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Because we live in real life and part of real life is that we have political figures and admired pundits who live less than admirable lives. In truth, I am probably no better than these people. However, what I find bothersome is how they use their positions of prominence to excuse themselves from any accountability.

And what of your own accountability for your posts and decisions?  How is your quotes of soft porn more "real life" then discussing the disdoings of public figures without the quotes?  There are other places that posted the passages.  Why did you think they *had* to be here as well?  Is it somehow necessary to show the dirt everywhere?  Btw. "Real Life" isn't all dirt and ugliness.  But that's the part that gets the most press and public interest, in my experience.

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« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2005, 10:40:14 PM »
That's what threads do. Once you post a thread, you are no longer its owner. Deal.

Sort of like:
"Think before you post.  Stand by what  you Post.  Admit it if you make a mistake in a post"

as a guideline?

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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2005, 11:58:46 PM »
My bad case of Quotations just blossomed (rather like hives) and I couldn't resist  ;)

With apologies to Fitzgerald and Omar Khayyam

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Posts on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
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Nor all your Clicks take out a byte of it.

(especially if it's cached by Google  ;D )
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« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2005, 12:19:12 AM »
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Sort of like:
"Think before you post.  Stand by what  you Post.  Admit it if you make a mistake in a post"

as a guideline?

Precisely.

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Re: Locking and Removing Topics
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2005, 02:20:40 PM »
If I am the only one who sees the coolness of being able to remove threads then I am probably wrong. But what about the coolness of being able to lock a thread?
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Re: Locking and Removing Topics
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2005, 02:22:38 PM »
If I am the only one who sees the coolness of being able to remove threads then I am probably wong. But what about the coolness of being able to lock a thread?

I think that power is so cool that I reserve it to me, my brother administrators, and our moderators. :)

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« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2005, 03:20:33 PM »
Coolness hogs!  ;D
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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2005, 04:55:00 PM »
Cool = having power?

To have the ability to delete or lock threads can be a temptation, not something cool.ÂÂ  Those who have power also need the control and humility and maturity to not abuse it.ÂÂ  Btw, when I was 19 "Cool" meant interesting, fun, neat, that sort of thing. How the language changes.ÂÂ  :)

more quotes (it's a hazard):

"And nine, nine rings were gifted to the race of Men — who above all else, desire power."

"But the hearts of Men are easily corrupted." LotR

"Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."ÂÂ  - Lord Acton

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who just excersised the power of editing for a typo and errors in capitalization.  ;D
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