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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #450 on: October 12, 2015, 09:06:13 PM »
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #451 on: October 12, 2015, 09:15:46 PM »
During the time of H.H. Pope Shenouda III.

Any explanation as to why?

A funny idea of humility. Like the tendancy not to let people kiss hands. In wish they would realize that it is the blessing of Christ people seek through them, and it is Christ who they manifest in the liturgy that they are denying glory, not themselves

Also a general ignorance of the meaning of these things so they're just seen as fancy emelishment without significance :(

I would have thought it would just have been because of the heat.

I don't think is suddenly got hotter 40 years ago... Prior to that you don't see photos of such abbreviated vestments.

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #452 on: October 12, 2015, 09:19:15 PM »
The combined pan OO service is splendid.  However I have to confess that neither the Malankaran nor the Coptic priest wore particularly appealing vestments IMO; I find myself pining for the grapevine pattern of Pulickal Brothers, and the apron like stole on the Coptic priest is strange (I prefer those which more closely resemble a hamnikho or epitrachelion), although I like his mitre a great deal.

I wish Coptic priests would begin serving fully vested again, like the priests of previous generations, instead of simply serving in a tonia.  It's nice that this priest at least wore and epitrachelion.  There is a gallery with more photos here.

Here's a recent example of a fully vested Coptic priest: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153038072588860


Presumably there is nothing stopping priests from wearing a full set of vestments?

It is considered taqs (rubrics) now that you have to dress one down from the bishop. So the bishops just wear stoles, or just tonyas, and the priests have to wear just tonias. When the bishop isn't around they can wear more, but then it starts to look to people like they only do it behind the bishops back. I've yet to see a bishop wear even an omophorian.

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #453 on: October 13, 2015, 07:47:00 AM »
That individual is of course a nihang, a sort of Sikh saddhu, and interestingly there is a massive amountof hair in that turban.  I have read about him; he also rides a motorcycle, which itself seems a daunting prospect.


Nice job, telling someone of Indian background about an Indian.

I was of course addresing non-Indian members bloviating.

FIFY.  ;)

Then there's 'boviating,' which is talking about Sacred Cows...   8)

That's a different thread Father.....

Ooops... hope I don't get greened for cross-posting.  Anyway, I apologize for the derailment.  Let's get back to hot Indian vestments!    ???

While I find the Indian made vestments used by the Syriac Orthodox to be very dignified and elegant, it had not occurred to me to regard them as "hot."   :P

At various times SOC clergy at least wear just the hamnikho (epitrachelion) as in the Byzantine Rite, but the Phayno is worn during the divine liturgy.  Curiously the hamnikho is worn by itself in my experience when distributing the Eucharist.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #454 on: October 13, 2015, 10:57:55 AM »
The combined pan OO service is splendid.  However I have to confess that neither the Malankaran nor the Coptic priest wore particularly appealing vestments IMO; I find myself pining for the grapevine pattern of Pulickal Brothers, and the apron like stole on the Coptic priest is strange (I prefer those which more closely resemble a hamnikho or epitrachelion), although I like his mitre a great deal.

I wish Coptic priests would begin serving fully vested again, like the priests of previous generations, instead of simply serving in a tonia.  It's nice that this priest at least wore and epitrachelion.  There is a gallery with more photos here.

Here's a recent example of a fully vested Coptic priest: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153038072588860


Presumably there is nothing stopping priests from wearing a full set of vestments?

It is considered taqs (rubrics) now that you have to dress one down from the bishop. So the bishops just wear stoles, or just tonyas, and the priests have to wear just tonias. When the bishop isn't around they can wear more, but then it starts to look to people like they only do it behind the bishops back. I've yet to see a bishop wear even an omophorian.

Let's hope this gets fixed under the new Pope.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #455 on: October 13, 2015, 11:21:34 AM »
Sounds like a letter writing campaign is needed.  ;)
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #456 on: October 19, 2015, 10:32:32 AM »
Remban (monk) Phinehas of Malekuriz dayara (Holy Cross mount Monastery) on his typewriter.  It is very inspiring to see how little these monks possess and how joyful they are.

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« Reply #457 on: October 20, 2015, 09:38:37 AM »
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #458 on: October 21, 2015, 01:57:25 PM »
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #459 on: October 21, 2015, 11:50:59 PM »
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« Reply #460 on: October 21, 2015, 11:55:42 PM »
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #461 on: October 26, 2015, 10:19:23 PM »
Photos from the Oriental Orthodox Concelebrated Liturgy on October 24, 2015 held  at St. Mark's Syriac Orthodox Cathedral, Teaneck, NJ




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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #463 on: October 27, 2015, 10:23:20 AM »
is that lace?  How interesting and kinda cool!
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #464 on: October 27, 2015, 11:38:09 AM »
is that lace?  How interesting and kinda cool!

Yes.  My late bishop recommended not using it because it's not traditional in the way a plain white alb/sticharion is (we probably got it through Latin influence), but it is common enough not to be considered odd.   
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #465 on: October 27, 2015, 11:46:28 AM »
is that lace?  How interesting and kinda cool!

Yes.  My late bishop recommended not using it because it's not traditional in the way a plain white alb/sticharion is (we probably got it through Latin influence), but it is common enough not to be considered odd.   

Lace is cooler, but it isn't cool.  #banthelace
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #466 on: October 27, 2015, 11:49:32 AM »
is that lace?  How interesting and kinda cool!

Yes.  My late bishop recommended not using it because it's not traditional in the way a plain white alb/sticharion is (we probably got it through Latin influence), but it is common enough not to be considered odd.   

Lace is cooler, but it isn't cool.  #banthelace

I suspect that is part of the appeal. 
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #467 on: October 27, 2015, 11:55:29 AM »
is that lace?  How interesting and kinda cool!

Yes.  My late bishop recommended not using it because it's not traditional in the way a plain white alb/sticharion is (we probably got it through Latin influence), but it is common enough not to be considered odd.   

Lace is cooler, but it isn't cool.  #banthelace

I suspect that is part of the appeal.

But, saying Indians don't like the heat is like saying the Japanese don't like raw fish.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #468 on: October 27, 2015, 12:24:14 PM »
is that lace?  How interesting and kinda cool!

Yes.  My late bishop recommended not using it because it's not traditional in the way a plain white alb/sticharion is (we probably got it through Latin influence), but it is common enough not to be considered odd.   

Lace is cooler, but it isn't cool.  #banthelace

I suspect that is part of the appeal.

But, saying Indians don't like the heat is like saying the Japanese don't like raw fish.

They like heat, sure.  But not that sort of heat.  :P
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« Reply #469 on: October 27, 2015, 12:35:53 PM »
is that lace?  How interesting and kinda cool!

Yes.  My late bishop recommended not using it because it's not traditional in the way a plain white alb/sticharion is (we probably got it through Latin influence), but it is common enough not to be considered odd.   

Lace is cooler, but it isn't cool.  #banthelace

I suspect that is part of the appeal.

But, saying Indians don't like the heat is like saying the Japanese don't like raw fish.

They like heat, sure.  But not that sort of heat.  :P

Bollywood heat?  As in wet saris and musical cop movies?
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #470 on: October 27, 2015, 12:38:02 PM »
Bollywood heat?  As in wet saris and musical cop movies?

The kind of heat I had in mind is more like "wet sari" than "musical cop", but it's not the kind of "wet sari" you'd ever want to warm up with.  Some vestments are made of sari fabric, none are made from police uniforms, etc.
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« Reply #471 on: October 27, 2015, 12:54:09 PM »
Bollywood heat?  As in wet saris and musical cop movies?

The kind of heat I had in mind is more like "wet sari" than "musical cop", but it's not the kind of "wet sari" you'd ever want to warm up with.  Some vestments are made of sari fabric, none are made from police uniforms, etc.

Too bad.  Indian cops seem awesome...
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #472 on: October 27, 2015, 12:58:40 PM »
Bollywood heat?  As in wet saris and musical cop movies?

The kind of heat I had in mind is more like "wet sari" than "musical cop", but it's not the kind of "wet sari" you'd ever want to warm up with.  Some vestments are made of sari fabric, none are made from police uniforms, etc.

Too bad.  Indian cops seem awesome...

They are not that awesome when we need them to deal with problems at churches.  :P
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #473 on: October 27, 2015, 01:47:21 PM »
is that lace?  How interesting and kinda cool!

Yes.  My late bishop recommended not using it because it's not traditional in the way a plain white alb/sticharion is (we probably got it through Latin influence), but it is common enough not to be considered odd.   

Lace is cooler, but it isn't cool.  #banthelace

I suspect that is part of the appeal.

But, saying Indians don't like the heat is like saying the Japanese don't like raw fish.

I don't think anyone of any nationality relishes being stank and sweaty.  Serving in North American churches with the AC turned off in the heat of the summer (because someone on the board is pinching pennies or because someone in the back row is complaining their kid is catching a cold) could drive any deacon or priest to wish he were serving in a lace sticharion.  I can only imagine how priests and deacons in Kerala must feel.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #474 on: October 27, 2015, 01:52:15 PM »
is that lace?  How interesting and kinda cool!

Yes.  My late bishop recommended not using it because it's not traditional in the way a plain white alb/sticharion is (we probably got it through Latin influence), but it is common enough not to be considered odd.   

Lace is cooler, but it isn't cool.  #banthelace

I suspect that is part of the appeal.

But, saying Indians don't like the heat is like saying the Japanese don't like raw fish.

I don't think anyone of any nationality relishes being stank and sweaty.  Serving in North American churches with the AC turned off in the heat of the summer (because someone on the board is pinching pennies or because someone in the back row is complaining their kid is catching a cold) could drive any deacon or priest to wish he were serving in a lace sticharion.  I can only imagine how priests and deacons in Kerala must feel.

I assisted at a liturgy in Palm Desert when the AC went out.  By the time we ended, it was 105° F inside and 107° outside.  I thought the bishop was going to melt.

Of course, it was 'dry heat.'

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #475 on: October 27, 2015, 03:53:54 PM »
is that lace?  How interesting and kinda cool!

Yes.  My late bishop recommended not using it because it's not traditional in the way a plain white alb/sticharion is (we probably got it through Latin influence), but it is common enough not to be considered odd.   

Lace is cooler, but it isn't cool.  #banthelace

I suspect that is part of the appeal.

But, saying Indians don't like the heat is like saying the Japanese don't like raw fish.

I don't think anyone of any nationality relishes being stank and sweaty.  Serving in North American churches with the AC turned off in the heat of the summer (because someone on the board is pinching pennies or because someone in the back row is complaining their kid is catching a cold) could drive any deacon or priest to wish he were serving in a lace sticharion.  I can only imagine how priests and deacons in Kerala must feel.

I assisted at a liturgy in Palm Desert when the AC went out.  By the time we ended, it was 105° F inside and 107° outside.  I thought the bishop was going to melt.

Of course, it was 'dry heat.'

 ::)


Not under the cassocks it wasn't.  ;)
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #476 on: October 27, 2015, 03:56:31 PM »
is that lace?  How interesting and kinda cool!

Yes.  My late bishop recommended not using it because it's not traditional in the way a plain white alb/sticharion is (we probably got it through Latin influence), but it is common enough not to be considered odd.   

Lace is cooler, but it isn't cool.  #banthelace

I suspect that is part of the appeal.

But, saying Indians don't like the heat is like saying the Japanese don't like raw fish.

I don't think anyone of any nationality relishes being stank and sweaty.  Serving in North American churches with the AC turned off in the heat of the summer (because someone on the board is pinching pennies or because someone in the back row is complaining their kid is catching a cold) could drive any deacon or priest to wish he were serving in a lace sticharion.  I can only imagine how priests and deacons in Kerala must feel.

I assisted at a liturgy in Palm Desert when the AC went out.  By the time we ended, it was 105° F inside and 107° outside.  I thought the bishop was going to melt.

Of course, it was 'dry heat.'

 ::)


Not under the cassocks it wasn't.  ;)

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #477 on: October 27, 2015, 04:10:23 PM »
is that lace?  How interesting and kinda cool!

Yes.  My late bishop recommended not using it because it's not traditional in the way a plain white alb/sticharion is (we probably got it through Latin influence), but it is common enough not to be considered odd.   

Lace is cooler, but it isn't cool.  #banthelace

I suspect that is part of the appeal.

But, saying Indians don't like the heat is like saying the Japanese don't like raw fish.

I don't think anyone of any nationality relishes being stank and sweaty.  Serving in North American churches with the AC turned off in the heat of the summer (because someone on the board is pinching pennies or because someone in the back row is complaining their kid is catching a cold) could drive any deacon or priest to wish he were serving in a lace sticharion.  I can only imagine how priests and deacons in Kerala must feel.

I assisted at a liturgy in Palm Desert when the AC went out.  By the time we ended, it was 105° F inside and 107° outside.  I thought the bishop was going to melt.

Of course, it was 'dry heat.'

 ::)


Not under the cassocks it wasn't.  ;)

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #478 on: October 27, 2015, 04:13:02 PM »
First rule of Cassock Club, is to never talk about Cassock Club.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #479 on: October 27, 2015, 04:31:30 PM »
First rule of Cassock Club, is to never talk about Cassock Club.

That's good advice.  I remember once, after a long, hot, humid summer day, whispering a comment to a priest friend.  He agreed with my assessment, but we were overheard by some amused youths. 
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #480 on: October 27, 2015, 04:35:01 PM »
When some teens were asking an Abouna about how he can handle his black heavy cloak in the 90+ degree weather that day, Abouna replied, "Habibi, we priests are not wimps."
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« Reply #481 on: October 27, 2015, 06:09:08 PM »
When some teens were asking an Abouna about how he can handle his black heavy cloak in the 90+ degree weather that day, Abouna replied, "Habibi, we priests are not wimps."

It's not so bad, really, if you dress appropriately year round.  That means a thermal undershirt when it hits 70° or a wool vest.  Both when it drops to 65°.  People laugh when they see me running around in 90° weather wearing a long sleeve flannel shirt and denims, not realizing that's I'm way more comfortable than the guys who wear t-shirts and shorts year-round and can't handle being without AC for more than a few minutes.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #482 on: October 27, 2015, 06:12:24 PM »
is that lace?  How interesting and kinda cool!

Yes.  My late bishop recommended not using it because it's not traditional in the way a plain white alb/sticharion is (we probably got it through Latin influence), but it is common enough not to be considered odd.   

Lace is cooler, but it isn't cool.  #banthelace

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #483 on: November 04, 2015, 03:38:27 AM »


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Anthony_the_Great_armenia.jpg

Interesting 16th century rendering of St. Anthony the Great by an unknown Armenian artist.  I guess the artist wouldn't have known what the desert looked like.  He painted St. Anthony in what seems like a green forest.   :)  St. Anthony is also dressed like an Armenian monk.  I guess we take it for granted that we have pictures and videos and whatnot showing us what other parts of the world look like.  Five hundred years ago, people just knew their own surroundings. 

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« Reply #484 on: November 06, 2015, 01:57:36 AM »
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« Reply #485 on: November 06, 2015, 01:58:24 AM »
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« Reply #487 on: November 06, 2015, 02:00:03 AM »
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« Reply #489 on: November 06, 2015, 02:01:33 AM »
Get 'em while they're hot. Not sure how long post image dot org hosts photos.
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« Reply #492 on: November 06, 2015, 02:04:49 AM »

One of my favorites.
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