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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #405 on: September 11, 2015, 07:12:16 PM »


A Byzantine Priest using a Coptic Orthodox altar*

*Note: I am by no means condoning this

What are the specific circumstances here?

Probably an EO parish using it for DL.  IIRC an OCA mission parish out in Arizona did that before getting their own place.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #407 on: September 29, 2015, 01:49:11 PM »
On 28 Sept 2015, Ethiopian Orthodox Church celebrated Demera, the tradition of burning bonfires on the eve of the anniversary of Meskel (Finding of the True Cross)







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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #408 on: October 03, 2015, 04:03:47 PM »
From the consecration of the Holy Muron at Etchmiadzin:

http://www.armenianchurch.org/index.jsp?sid=3&nid=2981&y=2015&m=8&d=28





















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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #409 on: October 03, 2015, 04:10:34 PM »
From the distribution ceremony for the Holy Muron:

http://www.armenianchurch.org/index.jsp?sid=3&nid=2987&y=2015&m=8&d=30






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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #411 on: October 03, 2015, 04:19:01 PM »
In this picture you see the Holy Spear that pierced the side of our Lord:

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #412 on: October 06, 2015, 04:38:44 PM »
OO Bishops attending as a special invitees at the "XIV Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops" of the Roman Catholic Church.

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #414 on: October 11, 2015, 02:03:29 AM »
Oriental Orthodox Concelebrated Liturgy held at The Holy Trinity Armenian Church in Cheltenham, PA on Saturday



Participating Clergy
Rev. Fr. Hakob Gevorgyan (Armenian Church)
V. Rev. F. Oshagan Gulgulian  (Armenian Church)
Fr. John Bishara (Coptic Orthodox Church)
Fr. Wolde Tinsae Berhane and Fr. Tesfom Abrahale ( Eritrean Orthodox Tewhedo Church)
Fr. Joy John (Malankara-Syriac Orthodox Church)
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #415 on: October 11, 2015, 06:41:00 PM »
Oriental Orthodox Concelebrated Liturgy held at The Holy Trinity Armenian Church in Cheltenham, PA on Saturday

Participating Clergy
Rev. Fr. Hakob Gevorgyan (Armenian Church)
V. Rev. F. Oshagan Gulgulian  (Armenian Church)
Fr. John Bishara (Coptic Orthodox Church)
Fr. Wolde Tinsae Berhane and Fr. Tesfom Abrahale ( Eritrean Orthodox Tewhedo Church)
Fr. Joy John (Malankara-Syriac Orthodox Church)





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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #416 on: October 11, 2015, 06:54:05 PM »
The combined pan OO service is splendid.  However I have to confess that neither the Malankaran nor the Coptic priest wore particularly appealing vestments IMO; I find myself pining for the grapevine pattern of Pulickal Brothers, and the apron like stole on the Coptic priest is strange (I prefer those which more closely resemble a hamnikho or epitrachelion), although I like his mitre a great deal.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #417 on: October 11, 2015, 07:01:13 PM »
In this picture you see the Holy Spear that pierced the side of our Lord:



Dumb question: does that contain any relic such as a fragment of the actual Spear of Longinus? If not, has it ever been found?

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #418 on: October 11, 2015, 07:28:49 PM »
It's the actual Holy Spear, which was brought to Armenia by the Apostle Thaddeus.

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #419 on: October 11, 2015, 07:31:49 PM »
Icon of St. Thaddeus with the Holy Spear:


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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #420 on: October 11, 2015, 07:56:27 PM »
Just out of interest, is there any particular reason why Longinus would have a cross on his spear?
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #421 on: October 11, 2015, 08:11:10 PM »
I have no idea how to find out whether or not this is true, but it was my impression when I visited Armenia and saw the spear that only a small part/fragment of the spear itself is actually the relic itself. The cross in the spear dates from much later. The relic itself didn't surface until the 11th century--it's one of those relics that popped up with the Crusaders.

There's also the problem that the spear doesn't actually resemble a Roman spear. But, that's another discussion altogether.

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #422 on: October 11, 2015, 08:47:50 PM »
I have no idea how to find out whether or not this is true, but it was my impression when I visited Armenia and saw the spear that only a small part/fragment of the spear itself is actually the relic itself. The cross in the spear dates from much later. The relic itself didn't surface until the 11th century--it's one of those relics that popped up with the Crusaders.

There's also the problem that the spear doesn't actually resemble a Roman spear. But, that's another discussion altogether.

I think the fragment is much more likely. Of course, there's the popular atheist adage that if you collected up all of the claims of relics from the True Cross, you'd have enough wood to build Noah's Ark. Which I don't believe after seeing all the claims but unfortunately I do think there are some dishonest cases after all the centuries. Is there any story for how/where the Spear of Longinus was found?

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #423 on: October 11, 2015, 09:18:35 PM »
I have no idea how to find out whether or not this is true, but it was my impression when I visited Armenia and saw the spear that only a small part/fragment of the spear itself is actually the relic itself. The cross in the spear dates from much later. The relic itself didn't surface until the 11th century--it's one of those relics that popped up with the Crusaders.

There's also the problem that the spear doesn't actually resemble a Roman spear. But, that's another discussion altogether.
This makes sense, thank you!
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #424 on: October 12, 2015, 08:29:49 AM »
The combined pan OO service is splendid.  However I have to confess that neither the Malankaran nor the Coptic priest wore particularly appealing vestments IMO; I find myself pining for the grapevine pattern of Pulickal Brothers, and the apron like stole on the Coptic priest is strange (I prefer those which more closely resemble a hamnikho or epitrachelion), although I like his mitre a great deal.

I wish Coptic priests would begin serving fully vested again, like the priests of previous generations, instead of simply serving in a tonia.  It's nice that this priest at least wore and epitrachelion.  There is a gallery with more photos here.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #425 on: October 12, 2015, 08:40:50 AM »
The combined pan OO service is splendid.  However I have to confess that neither the Malankaran nor the Coptic priest wore particularly appealing vestments IMO; I find myself pining for the grapevine pattern of Pulickal Brothers, and the apron like stole on the Coptic priest is strange (I prefer those which more closely resemble a hamnikho or epitrachelion), although I like his mitre a great deal.

I wish Coptic priests would begin serving fully vested again, like the priests of previous generations, instead of simply serving in a tonia.  It's nice that this priest at least wore and epitrachelion.  There is a gallery with more photos here.

Here's a recent example of a fully vested Coptic priest: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153038072588860
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #427 on: October 12, 2015, 08:45:26 AM »
He's probably newly ordained.  Thanks for the photo, qawe.  Good to see.  :)
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #428 on: October 12, 2015, 11:24:57 AM »
The combined pan OO service is splendid.  However I have to confess that neither the Malankaran nor the Coptic priest wore particularly appealing vestments IMO; I find myself pining for the grapevine pattern of Pulickal Brothers, and the apron like stole on the Coptic priest is strange (I prefer those which more closely resemble a hamnikho or epitrachelion), although I like his mitre a great deal.

I wish Coptic priests would begin serving fully vested again, like the priests of previous generations, instead of simply serving in a tonia.  It's nice that this priest at least wore and epitrachelion.  There is a gallery with more photos here.
Why did this non-wearing of vestments start?
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #429 on: October 12, 2015, 11:51:05 AM »
During the time of H.H. Pope Shenouda III.
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« Reply #430 on: October 12, 2015, 12:19:30 PM »
During the time of H.H. Pope Shenouda III.

Any explanation as to why?
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #431 on: October 12, 2015, 12:41:04 PM »
During the time of H.H. Pope Shenouda III.

Any explanation as to why?

A funny idea of humility. Like the tendancy not to let people kiss hands. In wish they would realize that it is the blessing of Christ people seek through them, and it is Christ who they manifest in the liturgy that they are denying glory, not themselves

Also a general ignorance of the meaning of these things so they're just seen as fancy emelishment without significance :(

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #432 on: October 12, 2015, 12:49:20 PM »
During the time of H.H. Pope Shenouda III.

Any explanation as to why?

A funny idea of humility. Like the tendancy not to let people kiss hands. In wish they would realize that it is the blessing of Christ people seek through them, and it is Christ who they manifest in the liturgy that they are denying glory, not themselves

Also a general ignorance of the meaning of these things so they're just seen as fancy emelishment without significance :(

I would have thought it would just have been because of the heat.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #433 on: October 12, 2015, 12:58:23 PM »
The combined pan OO service is splendid.  However I have to confess that neither the Malankaran nor the Coptic priest wore particularly appealing vestments IMO; I find myself pining for the grapevine pattern of Pulickal Brothers, and the apron like stole on the Coptic priest is strange (I prefer those which more closely resemble a hamnikho or epitrachelion), although I like his mitre a great deal.

I wish Coptic priests would begin serving fully vested again, like the priests of previous generations, instead of simply serving in a tonia.  It's nice that this priest at least wore and epitrachelion.  There is a gallery with more photos here.

I agree wholeheartedly.  Note that Coptic Catholic priests still commonly wear an outer vestment according to photos I have found.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #434 on: October 12, 2015, 12:59:47 PM »
The combined pan OO service is splendid.  However I have to confess that neither the Malankaran nor the Coptic priest wore particularly appealing vestments IMO; I find myself pining for the grapevine pattern of Pulickal Brothers, and the apron like stole on the Coptic priest is strange (I prefer those which more closely resemble a hamnikho or epitrachelion), although I like his mitre a great deal.

I wish Coptic priests would begin serving fully vested again, like the priests of previous generations, instead of simply serving in a tonia.  It's nice that this priest at least wore and epitrachelion.  There is a gallery with more photos here.

Here's a recent example of a fully vested Coptic priest: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153038072588860


Presumably there is nothing stopping priests from wearing a full set of vestments?
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #435 on: October 12, 2015, 03:12:56 PM »
During the time of H.H. Pope Shenouda III.

Any explanation as to why?

A funny idea of humility. Like the tendancy not to let people kiss hands. In wish they would realize that it is the blessing of Christ people seek through them, and it is Christ who they manifest in the liturgy that they are denying glory, not themselves

Also a general ignorance of the meaning of these things so they're just seen as fancy emelishment without significance :(

I would have thought it would just have been because of the heat.

I wondered about that, too, but as hot and humid as it gets in India, this particular custom never seems to have been considered as a possibility. 
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« Reply #436 on: October 12, 2015, 04:31:14 PM »
During the time of H.H. Pope Shenouda III.

Any explanation as to why?

A funny idea of humility. Like the tendancy not to let people kiss hands. In wish they would realize that it is the blessing of Christ people seek through them, and it is Christ who they manifest in the liturgy that they are denying glory, not themselves

Also a general ignorance of the meaning of these things so they're just seen as fancy emelishment without significance :(

I would have thought it would just have been because of the heat.

I wondered about that, too, but as hot and humid as it gets in India, this particular custom never seems to have been considered as a possibility.

Yes, but Indians like the heat...    ;)
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« Reply #437 on: October 12, 2015, 04:46:14 PM »
During the time of H.H. Pope Shenouda III.

Any explanation as to why?

A funny idea of humility. Like the tendancy not to let people kiss hands. In wish they would realize that it is the blessing of Christ people seek through them, and it is Christ who they manifest in the liturgy that they are denying glory, not themselves

Also a general ignorance of the meaning of these things so they're just seen as fancy emelishment without significance :(

I would have thought it would just have been because of the heat.

I wondered about that, too, but as hot and humid as it gets in India, this particular custom never seems to have been considered as a possibility.

Yes, but Indians like the heat...    ;)

Not that kind of heat...I promise. 
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« Reply #438 on: October 12, 2015, 05:29:48 PM »
During the time of H.H. Pope Shenouda III.

Any explanation as to why?

A funny idea of humility. Like the tendancy not to let people kiss hands. In wish they would realize that it is the blessing of Christ people seek through them, and it is Christ who they manifest in the liturgy that they are denying glory, not themselves

Also a general ignorance of the meaning of these things so they're just seen as fancy emelishment without significance :(

I would have thought it would just have been because of the heat.

I wondered about that, too, but as hot and humid as it gets in India, this particular custom never seems to have been considered as a possibility.

Yes, but Indians like the heat...    ;)

Not that kind of heat...I promise.

Dunno, that looks plenty hot to me...

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« Reply #439 on: October 12, 2015, 05:42:54 PM »
During the time of H.H. Pope Shenouda III.

Any explanation as to why?

A funny idea of humility. Like the tendancy not to let people kiss hands. In wish they would realize that it is the blessing of Christ people seek through them, and it is Christ who they manifest in the liturgy that they are denying glory, not themselves

Also a general ignorance of the meaning of these things so they're just seen as fancy emelishment without significance :(

I would have thought it would just have been because of the heat.

I wondered about that, too, but as hot and humid as it gets in India, this particular custom never seems to have been considered as a possibility.

Yes, but Indians like the heat...    ;)

Not that kind of heat...I promise.

Dunno, that looks plenty hot to me...



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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #440 on: October 12, 2015, 05:55:20 PM »
That individual is of course a nihang, a sort of Sikh saddhu, and interestingly there is a massive amountof hair in that turban.  I have read about him; he also rides a motorcycle, which itself seems a daunting prospect. 
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« Reply #441 on: October 12, 2015, 06:36:12 PM »
That individual is of course a nihang, a sort of Sikh saddhu, and interestingly there is a massive amountof hair in that turban.  I have read about him; he also rides a motorcycle, which itself seems a daunting prospect.


Nice job, telling someone of Indian background about an Indian.


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« Reply #442 on: October 12, 2015, 06:38:10 PM »
That individual is of course a nihang, a sort of Sikh saddhu, and interestingly there is a massive amountof hair in that turban.  I have read about him; he also rides a motorcycle, which itself seems a daunting prospect.


Nice job, telling someone of Indian background about an Indian.

I was of course addresing non-Indian members, and also any who might be unaware of who this fellow is (I would not as a rule expect for example Malankaran laity to have much knowledge about particular Sikhs; I just happen to have read about this man elsewhere on the Net in the course of researching Sikhism).

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2736691/The-Turbanator-Devout-Sikh-wears-world-s-largest-turban-takes-six-hours-weighs-100lb.html
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #443 on: October 12, 2015, 06:40:07 PM »
That individual is of course a nihang, a sort of Sikh saddhu, and interestingly there is a massive amountof hair in that turban.  I have read about him; he also rides a motorcycle, which itself seems a daunting prospect.


Nice job, telling someone of Indian background about an Indian.

I was of course addresing non-Indian members bloviating.

FIFY.  ;)
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« Reply #444 on: October 12, 2015, 06:47:19 PM »
That individual is of course a nihang, a sort of Sikh saddhu, and interestingly there is a massive amountof hair in that turban.  I have read about him; he also rides a motorcycle, which itself seems a daunting prospect.


Nice job, telling someone of Indian background about an Indian.

I was of course addresing non-Indian members bloviating.

FIFY.  ;)

Then there's 'boviating,' which is talking about Sacred Cows...   8)
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #445 on: October 12, 2015, 06:54:57 PM »
That individual is of course a nihang, a sort of Sikh saddhu, and interestingly there is a massive amountof hair in that turban.  I have read about him; he also rides a motorcycle, which itself seems a daunting prospect.


Nice job, telling someone of Indian background about an Indian.

I was of course addresing non-Indian members bloviating.

FIFY.  ;)

Then there's 'boviating,' which is talking about Sacred Cows...   8)

That's a different thread Father.....
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #446 on: October 12, 2015, 06:55:34 PM »
That individual is of course a nihang, a sort of Sikh saddhu, and interestingly there is a massive amountof hair in that turban.  I have read about him; he also rides a motorcycle, which itself seems a daunting prospect.


Nice job, telling someone of Indian background about an Indian.

I was of course addresing non-Indian members bloviating.

FIFY.  ;)

Then there's 'boviating,' which is talking about Sacred Cows...   8)

It's funny, "bloviating" is one of those words you rarely hear in real life, but it must've been used 20 different times by 20 different posters to describe good ole wgw's posts on these boards.  Gotta love him!  ;D

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #447 on: October 12, 2015, 07:20:53 PM »
That individual is of course a nihang, a sort of Sikh saddhu, and interestingly there is a massive amountof hair in that turban.  I have read about him; he also rides a motorcycle, which itself seems a daunting prospect.


Nice job, telling someone of Indian background about an Indian.

I was of course addresing non-Indian members bloviating.

FIFY.  ;)

Then there's 'boviating,' which is talking about Sacred Cows...   8)

That's a different thread Father.....

Ooops... hope I don't get greened for cross-posting.  Anyway, I apologize for the derailment.  Let's get back to hot Indian vestments!    ???
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #448 on: October 12, 2015, 07:23:19 PM »
are Vestments generally man made fabrics?  (I didn't want to say the P word) 


if so, thats why they are are warmer...and maybe the Indian ones are silk?


*rampant speculation*
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #449 on: October 12, 2015, 08:05:29 PM »
All this heat talk reminds me of a Sunday I was serving in a church in a small town in Armenia in the middle of the summer. It was hot, and this particular church was a small, oppressively oven-esque space. One of the deacons told me to stand on the stones instead of the rugs, as it would be cooler, but that didn't help much. We were all roasting.

All of the sudden, in the middle of the liturgy, one of the altar boys just walks off. He takes off his slippers and robe and steps out in the street for about five minutes, then comes back. Why? He just needed to cool down. Better to take a breather than pass out!