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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #270 on: May 06, 2015, 04:32:38 PM »
Interestingly enough the Synod of Laodicea (accepted by the EO, don't know about OO) forbids subdeacons the orarion and Byzantine ordination rubrics calls the subdeaon's vestment a cincture which like the little phelon of the reader is used only at ordination.  (Somebody posted pictures of this at byzcath) The subdeacon assumes the crossed orarion in contravention of the canon afterwards.
https://books.google.com/books?id=TjswAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA140&lpg=PA140&dq=canons+against+subdeacons+wearing+stoles&source=bl&ots=gd_XeHOL2_&sig=O7CtR-0T1ALVT_2kIxt1MxMNod0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cnhKVeP_DpLlsASt3YGoBQ&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=canons%20against%20subdeacons%20wearing%20stoles&f=false
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #271 on: May 06, 2015, 04:58:22 PM »
A rose by any other name...  They are wearing them in the style of Latin deacons but those are stoles.  The Assyrians and Chaldeans have been giving stoles to their women cantors and readers too.

In those photos, yes, I would say they are stoles.  But either they are functioning as these sashes



and are simply part of the choir costume, or they are proper stoles, in which case they are doubly wrong. 
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #272 on: May 06, 2015, 05:00:05 PM »
Interestingly enough the Synod of Laodicea (accepted by the EO, don't know about OO) forbids subdeacons the orarion and Byzantine ordination rubrics calls the subdeaon's vestment a cincture which like the little phelon of the reader is used only at ordination.  (Somebody posted pictures of this at byzcath) The subdeacon assumes the crossed orarion in contravention of the canon afterwards.
https://books.google.com/books?id=TjswAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA140&lpg=PA140&dq=canons+against+subdeacons+wearing+stoles&source=bl&ots=gd_XeHOL2_&sig=O7CtR-0T1ALVT_2kIxt1MxMNod0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cnhKVeP_DpLlsASt3YGoBQ&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=canons%20against%20subdeacons%20wearing%20stoles&f=false

The canons recognised by Syriac tradition include canons prohibiting stoles to subdeacons and readers as well as canons allowing them.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #273 on: May 09, 2015, 02:13:35 AM »
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #275 on: May 09, 2015, 06:54:12 PM »
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #277 on: May 09, 2015, 07:07:54 PM »
For posts 274 and 275, I can't see the pictures. :(
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #279 on: May 09, 2015, 08:58:30 PM »
The connection is quite slow, but the images do eventually appear.

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #280 on: May 09, 2015, 09:12:02 PM »
A rose by any other name...  They are wearing them in the style of Latin deacons but those are stoles.  The Assyrians and Chaldeans have been giving stoles to their women cantors and readers too.


I have no idea what the Chaldeans do but the Church of the East does not have women cantors with stoles, at least not in the United States. The local Syriac Archbishop will bless the veils of female choir members but that is as far as it goes.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #281 on: May 09, 2015, 11:23:29 PM »
The connection is quite slow, but the images do eventually appear.

Ya, they do load really slow for some reason.
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« Reply #282 on: May 10, 2015, 03:04:32 AM »
Okay, now I can see them. :)
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #283 on: May 10, 2015, 03:05:59 AM »
me too...it seems that the server from where the pictures came from struggled a bit
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #284 on: May 10, 2015, 09:18:23 PM »
Interestingly enough the Synod of Laodicea (accepted by the EO, don't know about OO) forbids subdeacons the orarion and Byzantine ordination rubrics calls the subdeaon's vestment a cincture which like the little phelon of the reader is used only at ordination.  (Somebody posted pictures of this at byzcath) The subdeacon assumes the crossed orarion in contravention of the canon afterwards.
https://books.google.com/books?id=TjswAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA140&lpg=PA140&dq=canons+against+subdeacons+wearing+stoles&source=bl&ots=gd_XeHOL2_&sig=O7CtR-0T1ALVT_2kIxt1MxMNod0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cnhKVeP_DpLlsASt3YGoBQ&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=canons%20against%20subdeacons%20wearing%20stoles&f=false

The canons recognised by Syriac tradition include canons prohibiting stoles to subdeacons and readers as well as canons allowing them.
Technically speaking, Armenian subdeacons (literally rendered in Armenian as "half-deacons") should not wear the stole over their shoulder. Rather, it is worn folded in half over the left forearm. At the ordination, the stole is laid over the arm, and is supposed to wear it that way until/if they're ordained a full deacon. For me, I wore it on my arm the day I was ordained, and like everyone else, just started wearing it over my shoulder thereafter. It was just an unspoken understanding. When I was ordained a deacon, I wore it over my shoulder until the ordination began, and then moved it back down to my arm. Some places still do it in the traditional way, but it's not that common. Frankly, it's really difficult to do anything with the stole just hanging half-folded over your arm like that. Incredibly impractical.

There was also a minor craze in the United States back in the 70s and 80s for ordaining "stole-bearers," a kind of middle ground between the four minor orders (tbir, or clerk/acolyte) and subdeacon. They'd wear stoles, but with the same color robes worn by the acolytes/choir, rather than the deacon's robes (in most parishes I've been around, deacons wear blue, choir wears red, though sometimes that's reversed). It was more an honorary thing for longtime altar servers than anything with defined duties, and didn't really have a canonical basis, either. It's not that common anymore, if even done at all, though there are still a few now-middle-aged-to-elderly stole-bearers floating around out there.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #285 on: May 13, 2015, 01:32:12 AM »
A while back someone was telling me about Coptic churches that are built to look like boats, or perhaps Noah's Ark.  I also think it was discussed here at one point.  I never quite got the concept, though.

Is anyone able to post pictures of examples of that architecture?  Do people know what I am talking about?

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #286 on: May 13, 2015, 08:03:38 AM »
I haven't really heard this, but now that I look at it, perhaps, St. Mark's Cathedral where the Papal headquarters are might be a good example:

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« Reply #287 on: May 14, 2015, 01:08:49 AM »
That's probably it.  The symbolism is interesting.  I guess it's the Church being like Noah's Ark carrying the people to salvation, or something like that.  It's nice.

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #288 on: May 16, 2015, 10:28:19 PM »
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« Reply #289 on: May 17, 2015, 07:31:20 PM »
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« Reply #290 on: May 17, 2015, 07:39:40 PM »
Wow. How old is that?
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« Reply #291 on: May 26, 2015, 03:01:37 PM »


It's not particularly Oriental Orthodox, but this is the stone cross of the Evangelical Armenian Central Church, in São Paulo, related to the Presbiterian Church of Brazil.

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« Reply #297 on: June 05, 2015, 06:41:33 PM »

What does this Coptic tattoo say?
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« Reply #298 on: June 05, 2015, 06:43:33 PM »


From the "Humans of New York" page on Facebook:

He's quoted, saying, "My daughter's greatest quality is her humility.  She tries hard to not classify people in her mind.  I've always tried to teach her that humility is a mediator.  It will always be the shortest distance between you and another person."

I thought that was really sweet.
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« Reply #299 on: June 05, 2015, 06:43:54 PM »

What does this Coptic tattoo say?

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Good for him and a good example for others.
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« Reply #302 on: June 10, 2015, 05:10:11 PM »
Preparation for the Consecration of Holy Chrism (Mooron), started today at St. Ephrem's Monastery in Maarat Saidnaya, a village outside Damascus. The mixing of ingredients started with Ramsho (Evening Prayers) today.

The consecration of Holy Chrism will happen on June 14th and 15th.
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« Reply #303 on: June 10, 2015, 05:27:35 PM »
Preparation for the Consecration of Holy Chrism (Mooron), started today at St. Ephrem's Monastery in Maarat Saidnaya, a village outside Damascus. The mixing of ingredients started with Ramsho (Evening Prayers) today.

The consecration of Holy Chrism will happen on June 14th and 15th.

Is it customary to prepare the Chrism so far in advance?  I know the oils and spices have to be mixed in advance, but this is almost a two month gap. 
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« Reply #304 on: June 10, 2015, 11:04:56 PM »
Preparation for the Consecration of Holy Chrism (Mooron), started today at St. Ephrem's Monastery in Maarat Saidnaya, a village outside Damascus. The mixing of ingredients started with Ramsho (Evening Prayers) today.

The consecration of Holy Chrism will happen on June 14th and 15th.

Is it customary to prepare the Chrism so far in advance?  I know the oils and spices have to be mixed in advance, but this is almost a two month gap.
When the Late Patriarch Ignatius Zakka Ist consecrated Holy Chrism at Kothamangalam mixing of ingredients did not happen so far in advance. I was also wondering why it was mixed so far in advance.
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His Holiness Patriarch Mor Ignatius Aphrem II presided over the Holy Synod of the Syriac Orthodox Church in Mor Aphrem Monastery in Maarat Saydnaya, just outside Damascus.  A seat was left open at the very front for the Archbishop of Aleppo,  Mor Gregorius Youhanna Ibrahim; who was kidnapped by ISIS.

Syrian President, Bashar Al Assad, visited Mor Aphrem Monastery and spend some time with the members of the Holy Synod.


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« Reply #307 on: June 15, 2015, 05:01:57 PM »


From the "Humans of New York" page on Facebook:

He's quoted, saying, "My daughter's greatest quality is her humility.  She tries hard to not classify people in her mind.  I've always tried to teach her that humility is a mediator.  It will always be the shortest distance between you and another person."

I thought that was really sweet.

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« Reply #308 on: June 15, 2015, 08:04:30 PM »


From the "Humans of New York" page on Facebook:

He's quoted, saying, "My daughter's greatest quality is her humility.  She tries hard to not classify people in her mind.  I've always tried to teach her that humility is a mediator.  It will always be the shortest distance between you and another person."

I thought that was really sweet.

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #310 on: June 20, 2015, 04:04:34 PM »
That is not a Coptic Church, but probably rented by the Copts there for the Pope.
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« Reply #311 on: June 20, 2015, 05:21:41 PM »
That is not a Coptic Church, but probably rented by the Copts there for the Pope.

Yes, it's very clearly Byzantine. You can even see an Icon of St. Seraphim of Sarov.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #312 on: June 20, 2015, 05:22:53 PM »

What does this Coptic tattoo say?

It's the Gospel of Mark, "love the Lord your God with all thy heart, with all thy soul..."
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #313 on: June 20, 2015, 05:37:03 PM »
That is not a Coptic Church, but probably rented by the Copts there for the Pope.

It's the EO cathedral of Helsinki. The pope was on a visit last year so I doubt that he had to pay anything for it.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Picture of the Day
« Reply #314 on: June 20, 2015, 06:37:11 PM »
I was assuming based on what Copts do in the U.S.
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