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Clerical Celibacy
« on: June 06, 2005, 10:16:09 AM »
I am having trouble finding out how clerical celibacy came about in the Bishopric and higher.

Some told me the Council of Nicea of which St. Paphnute recommended it, and then canonized it.  However, other sources say the exact opposite, that St. Paphnute, a celibate man himself, was against enforcing celibacy.  In addition, there are no canon (not even the EO later ones) that enforce celibacy as a PREREQUISITE to the Bishopry.

The closest thing I got on the EO side was the Council in Trullo that had a canon that stated that a married priest, if elevated to the Bishopric, should be seperated from his wife, and his wife would go to a convent, or something like that.

How about us OO's?  Since when were all bishops supposed to be celibate?

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Re: Clerical Celibacy
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2005, 08:48:56 AM »
I also would like to ask, does it count against the man up for the position if he perhaps "sowed some oats" as a youth?  Or dont they get into that as long as from that point on he is celibate??  Just curious.

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Re: Clerical Celibacy
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2005, 09:04:34 AM »
Mina,

in his book Orthodox Church, +Kalistos says that celibacy of Episkopos  (as a norm) started in 6th or 7th century and that office was open "exclusively" to those with monastic "backround" (as a norm) somewhere in 14th century.

Other than that... I really do not know.

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Re: Clerical Celibacy
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2005, 09:32:33 AM »
Hmmm...I wish Bishop Kallistos got into more details, but I guess I'll thoroughly review the 6th and 7th Centuries to find out...in any case, I was trying to look for some sources, but I don't go to St. Vlad's, so if anyone has these, I would really appreciate it.  I'm going to give them in a message I sent to a Greek Bishop, who's probably really busy to reply sooner:


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Dear Your Grace,

There's this one article that is very interesting, by Rev. John Behr.  Here's the source:

"Reflections on the Question of Episcopal Celibacy," St Vladimir's Theological Quarterly 36:1-2 (1992) 141-9.

I also looked up the canons in the Council in Trullo, although EO, yet was interested to read what it has to say.  While one of the canons does seperate a bishop from his wife, it implies that celibacy was not a prerequisite in the Byzantine Church (and Rome at the time) for the Episcopate office.

What intrigues me is that both EO and OO traditions hold that the Bishopric has to have been a monk, or at least celibate before episcopal ordination, but I can't find where this tradition comes from.  Perhaps the strong monastic movements in the early Nicene centuries, but the Council in Trullo, in a way still brings the thought of tradition that episcopal celibacy was required, but celibacy before that was not.

I would also like to look at these:

"The Council in Trullo: Issues Relating to the Marriage of Clergy," Greek Orthodox Theological Review 40 (1995), 183-199
(John H. Erickson)

And the following articles by Most Reverend Peter (L'Huillier)

"Mandatory Celibacy as a Requirement for Episcopacy: The Council 'In Trullo'," Greek Orthodox Theological Review 40 (1995), 213-219

"Reflections on Episcopal Celibacy: A Rejoinder to John Behr," St Vladimir's Theological Quarterly 36 (1992), 149-151

"Episcopal Celibacy in the Orthodox Tradition," St Vladimir's Theological Quarterly 35 (1991), 271-300

"Clerical Celibacy," Eastern Churches Review 3 (1971), 268-276

And perhaps, by the same author, I would like to look at this one, that my answer my personal question as well that pertains to the Orientals:

"Canonical Traditions of the Orthodox Church and the Oriental Churches," Greek Orthodox Theological Review 16 (1971), 163-172

I know you're probably can't get all these articles, but if you can get at least the first article by Fr. John Behr and Archbishop Peter's reply ("Rejoinder") to that article.

Thank you Your Grace.

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Mina Soliman

So St. Vlad people, wishing you do all you can to share ;D.

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PS  Perhaps, the Council in Trullo caused the selection of monks for bishops due to rarely anyone who would seperate himself from his wife.
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Re: Clerical Celibacy
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2005, 11:34:28 AM »
I also would like to ask, does it count against the man up for the position if he perhaps "sowed some oats" as a youth? Or dont they get into that as long as from that point on he is celibate?? Just curious.

As far as I know, widowers can be made bishops.

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Re: Clerical Celibacy
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2005, 04:33:25 PM »
Yes, a windowed priest can MOST DEFINATELY be made a bishop.

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Re: Clerical Celibacy
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2005, 04:34:01 PM »
oops! LOL A widowed priest. Not a "windowed priest" LOL

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Re: Clerical Celibacy
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2005, 04:41:20 PM »
oops! LOL A widowed priest. Not a "windowed priest" LOL

I should probably refrain....but I can't

How do you open his windows?  Click on the icons, of course...

(then again he might have an Apple... better stop now)

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