I don't know why you feel the need to debate this with the very people we fought against, especially since you admit you haven't even seen the evidence.ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š What possible facts can you then hope to counter them with?ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š They will be able to put you on the back foot right from the start, and you will be on the defensive, having to apologise and denounce things you have no idea whether they happened or not.
Well, if you had read beyond this one subject you would see that the posters on this website almost universally support the plight of our people. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š So I wasn't "debating" this with "anyone we fought against". ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Everyone here disagrees with the bombing of Serbia, so I thing you need to get your facts straight. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š In fact, we even have an Orthodox Albanian here who is a BIG supporter of Serbia.
For a start you seem to be ignorant of the possibility that these were not ordinary civilians, but fighters dressed in civilian clothing. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Furthermore they might have been guilty of atrocities and their punishment was being dealt to them. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š
No, I'm not ignorant to anything. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š In fact, I've done substantial work at the ICTY. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š If you would have read my post (carefully) you would have seen that I said:
assuming everything I saw was what I'm told it was
That is called a caveat. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Again, I understand fully that the video was tailored for a specific purpose, so please don't call me ignorant.
Secondly don't degrade yourself by talking about the geneva convention. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š The whole of the western world united in pummeling and demonizing our nation, and you would like to afford our enemies rights under a convention which they did not allow us. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š They showed absolutely no respect for international law, the geneva convention or any truth or justice.
Well, this is the whole two wrongs make a right argument. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š What you are really saying is that the "illegality of the NATO bombing of Serbia, the actions of the Mujahadeen in Bosnia and Kosovo justify any and all Serbian reaction". ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Resepectfully I disagree. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š I don't now, nor ever condone 14th century style barbarism.
And what difference is there between Bosnian Serbs and 'Serbia proper' Serbs, whatever that means. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š It really would be criminal to try and wash Serbian guilt by trying to portray it as a Bosnian Serb crime, as if they were different to us. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š We are all the same nation artificially split by unjust borders, do not try and distance yourself morally from them.
Now... speaking of ignorance. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š This is a vitally important point, the fact that you can't see it, is preposterous. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š What the western powers seek to do with Serbia is paint EVERY Serb with a broad brush. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Thus, Srebrinica = Kosovo. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š To the average westerner they don't understand the difference between Bosnia and Kosovo inasmuch as Serbs have been systematically ethnically cleansed from Kosovo for more than 70 years (not to mention periods of Ottoman rule).
Thus when I separate Bosnian Serbs from Serbia proper, I only do so in a legalistic sense. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š That is to say, that the fate of Kosovo should only be decided by looking at Kosovo on its own. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š The Albanian Islamic majority have proven themselves to be unable of ethnic and religious tolerance. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š The ONLY answer for Kosovo is for it to remain a part of Serbia, so that the Serbian minority there, is protected, along with the sacred religious sites. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š So I am not saying a Bosnian Serb is any less a Serb than a Serb found in Beograd.
Again, if you had read anything or even looked at my screen name, you would have found out that my family (although originally from Kosovo) was forced out to Sar Planina and modern day FYROM. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Thus, we are not in "Serbia Proper", but we are no less Serbian. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Instead of laying judgment you should have been reading.
In the same spirit, I think all other Serbs in the region deserve the same right of self determination that was afforded to Slovenians, Croats, Bosian Muslims and Macedonians. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š
You are making error after error in your analysis, you would certainly be a liability were you ever to represent us in any capacity. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š
Well, if you ever find yourself in the Hague, you will have the right not to be represented by me. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Thus far, I've never been fired by any of my countrymen/women. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š BTW, how much of your time/life/money have you donated to help "YOUR PEOPLE"?
It saddens you that these men were bosnian muslims, not mujahadeen? ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Well ive got news for you, the bosnian muslim army was not made up purely of arabs, it had bosnian muslims in it as well!!! ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š They all referred to themselves as mujahadeen, hence the headbands during parades proclaiming jihad is our path. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Just because they were bosnian does not make them innocent civilians!!!!
Obviously you miss the point again! ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š I was trying to convey the irony here.... that in the end, the video may have been Serbs killing Serbs. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Do you get that? ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š
Lastly, if you've come here to support a position that every action committed by individuals is some how appropriate or justified, respectfully I disagree. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š This is an ORTHODOX discussion board. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Many here are devout, many are trying to be devout and many have come to learn about their faith. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š If you can't see that it is UNCHRISTIAN to shoot an unarmed shackled man, then you've come to the wrong discussion forum.
Most Serbs were so terribly scorned when war broke out in Yugoslavia because WE were labelled Nazi's and fascists. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Anyone who knew the least bit about our history, knew that we fought (by in large) tooth and nail against Croat Ustashe (Nazi's) and Germans. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Most Serbs are proud that many Jews (like Madelaine Albright) took refuge in Beograd during WWII. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Most Serbs are proud of their legacy and history of being noble fighters and protectors of the weak.
Shooting an unarmed man in the back, while shackled, is not only UNCHRISTIAN, it is not the SERBIAN WAY!